Mortrialus
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You're right. I guess I just thought weigh in meant comment on it.
Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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You're right. I guess I just thought weigh in meant comment on it.
In my view it's pretty obvious what happened. Zimmerman chased after Martin, confronted him, and started the physical confrontation with him. Things got out of hand and he shot him.
I'm basing this completely on zimmermans history of violence, his paranoia (911 calls), the 911 call where he clearly went into vigilante mode, the fact that he got out of his car and chased after trayvon, and the location of martins body.
Angry Fork
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Yup that too.
Doesn't matter as far as republicans are concerned Obama just started a race war by answering a question.
I always considered to 'weigh in' on something you have to throw your weight behind one side or the other, which Obama didn't do.
You are correct in saying that the Republicans didn't want to touch it until Obama answered the question. As usual the vocal conservatives take something he said in a very reasonable and honest manner and politicize it somehow.
shanshan310
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They certainly didn't help, and I have no idea how a guy with anger management issues and an aggressive history on record managed to get his hands on a weapon, let alone carry it around concealed in public. Then again, the guy was both nuts and huge. He got fired for spear throwing a drunk girl. He could probably have killed the kid with his bare hands if he wanted to.
Yeah, I don't think so.
The Rodney King riots were nationwide, though not as violent as in LA.
And yes, there will be rioting if Zimmerman walks.
Mortrialus
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I guess it's just a figure of expression that I've never really used before or heard all that much.
One thing I forgot to mention was that when police cited the "Stand Your Ground" law as justification for not arresting Zimmerman turn a lot of critical eyes toward the law, and the NRA that pushed for it and ALEC which wrote the law. Republicans are always willing to stand up to those two groups.
Unknown One
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Concealed knife would get the job done as well. Weapons don't kill (unless it fell on you or something) , people with the weapon does.
Won't that just result in more dead sons, fathers & brothers?
Rioting in a country full of paranoid armed people sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. There has to be a better way.
Sorry, I was being pedantic.
Republicans will CERTAINLY make this a Guns Rights issue (they already have) and completely try to play down the Race issue. "Zimmerman was Hispanic!" as if you can't be a minority and still be racist. As usual though the Republicans are going to be left behind yelling at nobody when the rest of us reasonable people are trying to figure out how to keep this from happening again.
Nope, throughout human history rioting has served us well. It really is the only way...
That's ridiculous. Zimmerman has a violent history. The 9/11 call, Martin's last cellphone call, plenty of witnesses who identified Zimmerman as the aggressor. If that's not enough to arrest than there is something seriously wrong with Sanford justice and that is why the Sanford PD needs to be investigated as well.
Angry Fork
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Violence is the only thing that gets the bourgeois' attention in America. Unless a million people marched somewhere like during Civil Rights era. But it wasn't until the Black Panthers started paroling with guns and Malcolm talked by any means necessary that white people started getting scared.
CommonSense
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I wish they would just charge Zimmerman and get this shit over with.
Now we have an eye witness AND video footage to back the Martin family.
Now we have an eye witness AND video footage to back the Martin family.
Zoe
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His stats have changed since his 2005 arrest. He was actually only slightly heavier than Martin that night.
Liberty4all
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I guess I'm just looking at the whole situation and feeling like it could be a lot worse this time around.
GungHo
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Now? They played "Send in the Clowns" right when Geraldo, Nancy Grace, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson rolled in.
He looks like Emperor Palpatine holding a bag of Skittles. "You want this... don't you?"
There was an earlier report that he declined medical treatment, so there would be no file if that was true. Though, having a broken nose and a curb-smashed head would seem to warrant someone looking at you. I've had a broken nose... it's not like it's something no one notices, even if the skin isn't torn.
At least with Casey Anthony there was a trial.
Zoe
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They're claiming that he was cleaned up the night of and then went to the hospital the next day, but by then too much time had passed to treat it.
ShinNL
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I personally believe he's a cold blooded plain ass murderer. Him walking free with the help of trusted authorities doesn't sound like something pleasant in modern society. People know about corruption in movies, but to see it happen in real life is still quite a shock. To me it looks like corruption.
I don't live in America, but plenty do. If law can be twisted so easily in favor of killers, death meaning nothing, people start feeling fear and unsafe in their own country. It doesn't seem to be blown out of proportion to me, the actions of all the parties have an effect on everyone.
Even countries other than the US feel sympathy about the whole situation because the US is supposed to one of the yellow modern societies. Corruption is something that throws us back to the middle ages.
CrazyDogg77
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Unknown One
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True.
Enosh
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what if the evidence at the trial shows he wasn't guilty?
Depends on how the "evidence" appears. I really don't trust Florida.
Dreams-Visions
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soundscream
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LOL worst cover up ever
Dreams-Visions
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It's very much out of balance. But sadly, it appears that without the scale of attention it is now receiving, it's quite possible Zimmerman would have escaped trial completely. So while it should not have received this much attention, it appears it needed it just to see a trial. Had he been arrested when the investigator wanted to (several weeks ago), this would have been a 200-post thread, at most. Instead, the higher ups told the investigator "no" and...well, here we are today.
It's the perceived injustice of the man shooting someone unarmed and not threatening him before the engagement, then walking free and clear.
ShinNL
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To me it really isn't that. For me it was a teenager visiting his father to watch a game and getting snacks for his little brother, then on that same day he ended up dead. To me that's just unfair. There was absolutely no reason for him to die that day. None. He was doing extremely normal and nice things. The fact that going to do quick groceries could be the end of your life is absurd, really.
The cause of his death is Zimmerman. In the end it's as simple as that.
And then yeah, then it's normally a normal arrest and that guy goes to jail, everyone weeps a little and moves on with their lives. But then we all hear about him not being arrested and that to me, seems like a much bigger problem than a random guy shooting a random kid. It's huge.
Non-cop shoots black teen dead in the middle of a non-urban street. Non-cop walks away without charges after minimal investigation, leaving every indication of corrupt/incompetent dealings.
Sounds like a shitstorm to me!
Unknown One
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Don't forget that his father is an ex-judge and police correcting witnesses on who they saw.
Dreams-Visions
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certainly the more personal you make a story, the more absurd it feels. It is definitely absurd, but the amount of passion inspired is purely a function of this man still walking around free some 40 or 50 days after the shooting, with no trial guaranteed even still and seemingly a new leak or witness commentary coming forward every day.
If the police had done their job and to proper conclusion and sought indictment (and the evidence available certainly makes his story questionable enough for a trial), he gets his day in court and this sad case is just one of many that are happening in the country/world. Instead we get perceived corruption, mishandling of a murder, a defendant with multiple stories, conflicting evidence...and Zimmerman still fighting against justice.
He shot a kid dead, and he walked away without being investigated seriously, let alone with charges. The evidence that will refute this is going to come from where, exactly?
It's not (just) the crime, it's the cover-up.
PhoenixDark
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Zimmerman's family seems quite confident the medical records will prove his story.
Zimmerman's family is doing an awful lot of talking. The Martin family and their attorney are talking/bringing in people far too much as well. If I were either one of these attorneys I'd tell everyone involved to stfu - after a certain point I think it can only hurt your side and I think that point is rapidly approaching.
JCreasy
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The man who started the change.org petition that kicked this thing off . . .
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...d-spark-online-protest-in-trayvon-martin-case
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...d-spark-online-protest-in-trayvon-martin-case
Count Dookkake
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Alien vs Predator: Whoever wins, we lose.
Ignatz Mouse
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Without any charges, all the Martin family *can* do is talk.
ShinNL
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He went to the hospital the next day right? So if the medical records shows that he has wounds, it still means:
1. He could've been the initial aggressor, resulting into a fight in which he still has no rights to shoot someone dead with a firearm.
2. He could've self inflicted those injuries after the fact.
3. The medical records could've been faked.
I'm leaning to 2 or 3, since that camera footage is pretty damning.
Except there's a grand jury now.
They can also speak to the EMTs who treated him in the car. We already have the narrative from one of the officers on the scene written later that night.
Now that the case has gotten national attention I think a federal investigation is almost guaranteed. I know its a bad idea to bring out this proverbial argument but if clear and concise evidence can be found that Zimmerman racially profiled and potentially killed Martin purely because of the color of his skin he can/will get charged with federal hate crime even if the state level workers won't arrest him on any other charges.
Personally though I would like to hope a proper trial happens within the state and its purely on the case in its simplest form rather then bring out the racial issues with the case. Zimmerman's dad is already throwing Obama into the mix with some of his comments so I really don't want Zimmerman's fate to be decided on the federal level, the polarization over this case on a national level will just be unbearable, its already bad enough as is.
I know you're saying that with a little tongue and cheek, but I honestly feel it may be the only way. If this guy walks away from this without standing in front of a jury, then the people of that community should burn everything to the ground and start over. Black, white, Latino and whoever else has any sense should lock arms united and burn that bitch to the ground. I would suggest starting with police HQ.
Sho_Nuff82
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Didn't we already know this? They didn't release the tapes until after a meeting with the mayor and a local Fed.
SquiddyCracker
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I wonder how easy/hard it is to change medical records.
At this point, everything that can be used to defend Zimmerman will need to be scrutinized very closely.
Sad that media pressure had to make police and the DA office have to actually do some investigating.
Don't forget the autopsy on Martin would show signs if there was a stuggle. Unless both the autopsy and medical records are forged, though i would not put it past Zimmerman's father and his friends. Zimmerman's dad must be pretty powerful to have charges drop for an assult on an officer. Even spitting at an officer and you are up the creek without a paddle.
Don't forget the autopsy on Martin would show signs if there was a stuggle. Unless both the autopsy and medical records are forged, though i would not put it past Zimmerman's father and his friends. Zimmerman's dad must be pretty powerful to have charges drop for an assult on an officer. Even spitting at an officer and you are up the creek without a paddle.
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