Right so you know for a FACT that the color of his skin played absolutely no part in the profiling even when we know that that had been several reports prior to the martin incident of black robberies?
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Right so you know for a FACT that the color of his skin played absolutely no part in the profiling even when we know that that had been several reports prior to the martin incident of black robberies?
Big Baybee
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He even starts off his 911 call saying this, lol.
I'm just seeing this but I think it should be pointed out she can't be racist for, she has black friends.
elrechazado
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Interesting that you missed the point completely about how logic works, because I certainly said no such thing. I disputed your absolutist assertion.
Nah my last post. Tired of the hive mind mentality. I think zimmerman commited murder. But I cant even clearly hear the word coon, I replayed the tape 10 times. You guys have no idea he was racist, maybe he is, but I cannot make coons from the audio. It sounds like it , then sometimes it doesn't. The hive mind mentality of every white man who has a dissenting opinion on this matter pisses me off so much. I think zimmerman murdered the kid,, he was screaming on the tape. But if i say anything that isn't "this guy is a racist dog", then certain people think I agree with what took place and I don't like that.
He has a history of calling in suspicious young black males? I thought it was 40+ calls with 6 of them being about black people.
And what do you mean 8 year old kids look dangerous? He is 17.
Ah, thanks.
That's true. But I would assume that if he thought he was black right away when he called, it wouldn't have gone down like this:
I mean, of course it's just hypothesizing, but if he was solely calling because he was black, I think that would have brought that up.
Again, I'm not saying definitively either way. I'm just saying that we don't know. And the media, who caused this frenzy, absolutely don't know.
What I'm saying is that we don't know what he did, but everyone is claiming that he's doing that. He profiled him, which is proved by him calling the police, but we don't know that we profiled him for being black.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Exactly.
What should be at question is 'Was this a homicide or self-defense'?
But it's not even about that anymore it seems.
So agreed. Lock this guy up I hope it happens. But I am not going to be baited by people like al sharpton and Jessie Jackson.
Big Baybee
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By saying there has been a rash of break ins in his neighborhood :-/
Did he say "black" break-ins? Or just break-ins?
Unknown One
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Either that or constantly changing his story. That's a sign of being guilty to me.
Well we do know that prior to Martin he had called in on three separate occasions since august of 2011 to report suspicious black males. He thought some of them matched descriptions of prior burglaries. I don't think it is exactly a leap of logic that when he saw Martin that the color of his skin would play a role in the fact that he thought he was suspicious.
PhoenixDark
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Yes, he has a history of calling in suspicious black males; I did not say most of the calls were related to that. And yes, he called in a "suspicious" looking 8 year old black kid earlier this year, in broad daylight iirc
The point remains: Trayvon and the rest of the black kids he called in would not look suspicious in a predominantly white neighborhood if they were white. And having grown up in a white suburb as a black kid I saw that first hand. I don't believe Zimmerman is racist
The point remains: Trayvon and the rest of the black kids he called in would not look suspicious in a predominantly white neighborhood if they were white. And having grown up in a white suburb as a black kid I saw that first hand. I don't believe Zimmerman is racist
Big Baybee
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It is about that. For someone who only wants to talk about the murder, you sure are the one pushing this side topic about his racism/not racism forward.
And ..... ?
Big Baybee
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Hmmm...
Chumly said:
And you replied:
From the call:
There's nothing about black people there.
elrechazado
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It's these little tidbits or exclusions that undermine this narrative. Like that in the call on the 8 year old he was calling about concern at an unattended young child. Crazy, admitted, but not auto-racist. The last article I saw on the neighborhood said that it was 49% white by makeup. Hardly the image of an upscale whitebread gated community. He also called the police 85% of the time unrelated to black people. Why do you highlight one and ignore the majority of his idiotic paranoia? This thing is a freaking disgrace and failure of the system. We don't need to stretch or make things up to prove a particular story that fits our preconceived notions.
If and when we have good evidence of this guy's racism, I'll be the first to throw eggs. As for the police, I think it's highly likely that race played some role in their choosing to take the route they did with respect to not charging zimmerman initially, but even then I don't have definitive proof of that, as many of the previous strikes against this specific police force seem mostly related to the (still completely unjust) "protecting our own" mentality of insiders and friends.
Nah. Coons, c**ts, maybe even guns. One of the EQs could almost be punks but the c start seems really evident in all of the others including the original.
Also, whispering crazy shit under your breath while on the phone is straight up insane.
According to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin
...he has called them 46 times. 'three separate occasions' seems like a pretty low percentage (even if you extrapolate back 8 months).
He has a history of calling in EVERYTHING.
What do you think made him call in for the other 35+ times that he called in for someone that wasn't black? It seems like he's just a hall-monitor for his area and is trying to play cop.
All I read in this thread is that he's a racist, and I only started posting AFTER the Facebook post was posted here, which I agreed with. It's making a big issue into a big issue with racism attached.
And since I did that, it's been a page of posts calling out his racism and all I want is proof that he is.
You need to stop doing this. You're not adding anything to the discussion. Chumly is saying that several of his calls to the police were about black people...that's it.
Wow ...
He murders a kid, and everyone focusing on race. Neither side has definitive proof this guy was racist. What is clear is this poor kid was screaming for his life. Yet Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson would rather fan the flames of the racial debate that never stops. So tired of the attitudes in this country when it comes to shit like this. I live in a white neighborhood, I see suspicious kids white and black. Your argument of no suspicious white kids in a white neighborhood is pure bullshit. Keep believing whatever you want. /done.
It's not clear enough to hear a hard 'C' to me. But the last part of the word doesn't sound at all like "oon". Cunts would work.
I think, at 2:30am, saying stuff while you're outside on the phone isn't 'insane'. He's probably frustrated. I get frustrated when I talk to people through my health insurance and try and book a specialist.
Question: Do we know if Zimmerman was awake when this happened, or did he hear something and then he went down to check it out?
Unknown One
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Just seen the witness video with Trayvon screaming for help in the background. Zimmernman is a monster.
elrechazado
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It's been a few days since I read, I thought he was in his car, saw the kid, pursued, got out of the car at some point. I don't think he was awake. He was on self appointed rentacop douche patrol it seems.
Big Baybee
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I disagree. So I'm going to stop going around in circles with you now. You have your opinion, I have mine. Practice what you preach and move on from the racial issue. Which you probably won't do.
Ya and 30 other calls , the guy was a paranoid weirdo, and now a murderer in my book. But disregard all the calls he made on whites that's not relevant.
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You're going in circles with yourself.
You say one thing, I present evidence that counters it...and then you quote other people as if you're stating it, and then add a "." for emphasis.
I'll drop it with you because it's clear you have nothing to back it up with.
All we have proof of is that the race hustlers want to make sure this is a racial issue by continuing to call Zimmerman a 'white Hispanic' - when has that term ever been used and continually repeated by the media?
You are being played, people.
Big Baybee
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No, because it pretty clear that he profiled him. Profiling does not equal racist. I have no idea whether he is racist or not, but the fact that he profiled Trayvon is not (or shouldn't be) up for debate.
He's definitely a profiler. You just have to be ignorant and dumb, not necessarily racist.
This is the first year every job form I've seen has asked me if I was a black-Hispanic, or a white-Hispanic. I remember in the past it was just Hispanic. They're becoming more specific, and I don't know why. If I had to guess, it would be because they want to make a distinction between the white and black Hispanics. But of course you see it as a gigantic media conspiracy Kosmo. Race "hustlers" indeed.
bob_arctor
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haha shaddup with your smarter than thou bullshit.
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You can look at the calls at the bottom.
Four out of his last 7 calls were about suspicious black males. Considering the other calls were an open garage door, suspicious car, and some sort of dispute I would consider that he has more than likely been profiling by the color of skin or it would play a significant factor.
He called the cops on other races too.
Can't tell if serious ..
bob_arctor
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About Kosmo? Oh definitely serious. Nobody here is "being played" by "race hustlers".
Big Baybee
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What the fuck does that have to do with him profiling Trayvon???? Seriously?
Al sharpton , Jessie Jackson .... Not sure if race hustler is really a great word to use. But they are definitely not helping anything.
Umm it counters the argument that this nut bag was exclusively nutty towards only blacks. Many posters are assuming this. So kind of relevant if you really want to discuss that aspect.
Edit sorry Bout double back posts I am on mobile.
Big Baybee
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Yes they are, they are bringing attention to the fact that this kid was killed and his murderer is still walking the streets like nothing happened. I disagree with them a lot, but they have helped this cause, not hurt it.
He only called on suspicious black people roaming the neighborhood in the last year.
Thanks for the link!
It's hard to say that he's racially profiling again. I'd consider 4 of 7 as a small sample size. And you can't generalize the rest of his calls as "the other calls were an open garage door, suspicious car, etc." when there is so many of them.
Your opinion. I can respect it. But to me their just making this entire thing about race. It's not just them, its media in general. Just hope this kid gets justice. And I mean justice where zimmerman does life. Not vigilante justice that spike lee would of liked with his Twitter antics.
So if I run into a room with 47 people and kill them all with a machine gun, and 7 are black, then I racially profiled the black ones??? Seriously???
Big Baybee
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You ask for facts supporting that Zim was profiling, but when they are provided you brush them off nonchalantly. The majority of his last few calls were about suspicious blacks in the neighborhood.
I read several times that it was about 46 in the last year, roughly 6 being black.
Bringing the wrong kind of attention.
The murder speaks for itself, or at least, it should.
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