Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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elrechazado
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they could to rebut his testimony, assuming FL courts recognize the scientific validity of that type of voice testing. Honestly, I don't think they would need to, but if they can, they probably will. Belt and suspenders in a case like this.
This is indeed the problem. There's no question Trayvon Martins death was Zimmermans fault in my mind. It's also equally clear the race card has been overplayed to absurdity. Zimmerman needed to be white, a non minority. At the same time of course his family is saying he's not white, has black family members, bringing out black friends to vouch for him etc. It's pretty clear that's the main accusation: he's racist. Oh and he killed a kid, but he did it because he's racist.
Anyone waiting to see what the facts were before deciding for sure is racist too, naturally.
Terrible story all around, but fortunately it seems like they are getting the evidence needed to try this guy.
theviolenthero
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The amount of blatant lies told by Zimmerman is astronomical.
Seems like theirs a bombshell announcement everyday.
Anyways, for those who may have missed the main detail involving the video of Zimmerman at the police station, here it is:
"According to the IT department of the city of Sanford, the time-stamp on the video is accurate, meaning Zimmerman was at the station 36 minutes after gunshots were heard on a 911 call."
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Sa...orge-Zimmerman/-/1637132/9738686/-/wp6xh4z/-/
elrechazado
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When did zimmerman say it was his voice on that tape?
soundahfekz
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I was implying that with the consistency part. I'm saying if he continues through court to say that it is indeed him, I'm confident that that kind of analysis becomes admissible.
Told the police that initially, thats why they were correcting witness statments to reflect he was screaming for help, not Trayvon.
He never commented on the tape, not that I'm aware of. Only his friends/family have said it's him.
Oh yea, this is true.
elrechazado
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Interesting. Do we know what the police report actually says at this point narrative wise, or have they not released that part?
What exactly are you asking? Whether or not Zimmerman's cries for help could be heard in the background of a phone call or not?
elrechazado
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I have no idea what you're asking to be honest. Maybe read my post again?
theviolenthero
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Here's what Zimmermans brother said on Pier's Morgans show:
Robert Zimmerman's account was based on communications with his brother within 24 hours of the shooting, he said.
Their stories are based on what George told them.
Hillzagold
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Thank you for this. I'll tell you all right now, the reason I keep bringing this up is because I keep thinking of the Zimmermann Telegraph whenever I hear his name. But the fact of the matter is that the man is half-white and half-Hispanic. It should be reported and talked about as such simply because it's the actual scenario of the story. Do you all get that? White-Hispanic is the normal story, Hispanic is the altered story. And every person who sees his last name and still only calls him Hispanic is supporting the altered story. Why would his parents do that, why would Fox News do that, why would your friends list on facebook do that?
And yes, I, Hillzagold, am fully aware that George Zimmerman's race has little effect on his perception of other races. But even his own parents aren't aware of that, so it's an issue that still needs to be talked about.
elrechazado
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I know both his dad and brother have said this (and the police as well?), I was wondering if we have first hand accounts or actual statements from him personally. not hearsay.
He's asking, when/has Zimmerman explicitly said that he is the one on the tape crying for help.
Police were the source for the original Orlando Sentinel story. So Its hearsay from them.
Took a second to understand.
As far as I know, Zimmerman hasn't commented on the 911 calls with the screaming.
Just that he said he was screaming for help.
Also reading the Tribune article,
they use a traditional audio expert, who relies on his ears. And is saying:
So they have analog and digital confirmation, by experts.
Joel Was Right
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Scrolled down to see if there were any comments. Found this instead
Is this so divisive? Wow
He didn't.
But why would he need to specifically mention the tape to be considered a liar? He claims he called out for help, and that cry would have been the one on the tape, right?
Unknown One
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One of the witnesses seen him putting his hand on his head after shooting. So perhaps he was thinking of a story to tell and of course there was screaming, so he said it was him.
Dreams-Visions
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I'm shocked, I tell you. SHOCKED.
ask Tim Wise. He'll tell you.Scrolled down to see if there were any comments. Found this instead
Is this so divisive? Wow
Break that down by racial lines and I'm sure a pattern will emerge. :|
I don't know how much stock I would put into this article. These are two different polls conducted within days of each other. Would have been different if we saw a shift within the polls themselves, and not a comparison of two different polls.
I don't know if that great of a shift in public opinion can happen in just two days.
elrechazado
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So what do you guys think of this NBC controversy?
The NBC segment in question featured anchor Ron Allen and ran on the Today show on Tuesday. In the NBC segment, Zimmerman says: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”
The full version, though, unfolds like this:
Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”
911 operator: “Okay. And this guy, is he white black or Hispanic?”
Zimmerman: “He looks black.”
Disclaimer: This shouldn't be relevant at all. However, this is the kind of idiotic reporting that then causes the media coverage to be about media coverage and forces "side taking". To me there's really no excuse for NBC here, and again, it's sad that this then becomes the story, when it should be about what zimm did or didn't do, and the who what where and why of the cops abdicating their duty.
edit- and seeing those poor polling numbers, it reinforces my opinion that when the story becomes about the coverage and about al sharpton or about spike lee tweeting a poor old person's address or something, it's a huge distraction from the real tragic issues.
The NBC segment in question featured anchor Ron Allen and ran on the Today show on Tuesday. In the NBC segment, Zimmerman says: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”
The full version, though, unfolds like this:
Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”
911 operator: “Okay. And this guy, is he white black or Hispanic?”
Zimmerman: “He looks black.”
Disclaimer: This shouldn't be relevant at all. However, this is the kind of idiotic reporting that then causes the media coverage to be about media coverage and forces "side taking". To me there's really no excuse for NBC here, and again, it's sad that this then becomes the story, when it should be about what zimm did or didn't do, and the who what where and why of the cops abdicating their duty.
edit- and seeing those poor polling numbers, it reinforces my opinion that when the story becomes about the coverage and about al sharpton or about spike lee tweeting a poor old person's address or something, it's a huge distraction from the real tragic issues.
Would not be surprised in the least. I had a few brain cells die just reading this comment:
Mortrialus
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Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Pushing the narrative at all costs.
soundscream
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That is the same call in which he calls Martin a fucking coon, race is an issue in this case. People trying to claim it is not are almost going to holocaust denier levels of stupidity.
Big Baybee
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Do you think that Martin was wrongfully shot by Zimmerman?
But it was a term of endearment
elrechazado
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What does that have to do with the media selectively editing the material?
I shouldn't have to keep saying it, but this is NOT a defense of zimmerman in any way shape or form, so pointing out that he is a racist or anything else you believe the facts show is not relevant to why I brought it up.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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My opinion. Looks like yes. His actions started a cavalcade that didn't have to happen.
soundscream
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The media does this all the time, but in this case its being brought up because certain people are trying to say the media is trying to make him seem like a racist. The very same phone call proves that he at least has some racial issues.
But anyway it is trivial when it comes down to the fact that he should have been arrested for many of the other things he did aside from being a racist asshole.
elrechazado
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Well, like...murder? I don't think you really got the point or read what I wrote.
Killer uses racist language & profiles black kid, media makes it about race.
What's the problem?
elrechazado
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sigh
Unknown One
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To me it doesn't matter if he's a racist or not. He's still a monster for shooting a kid screaming for his life. Then have the nerves to say it was his screaming.
If you can't believe "scientific analysis" of the tape, you're pretty much just ignorant. Why do our voices sound different? How come one person sounds different than another? Some of it are mannerisms in our speech, which is why someone impersonating another can be pretty convincing. But there's still something that you can't copy. That's the harmonic 'fingerprint' of a voice. What makes one person sing an A (440 Hz) sound different from another person, is what harmonics at what level that your vocal bands produce. Harmonics would be 440 Hz, 880 Hz, 1320 Hz, 1760 Hz etc. Maybe there's some intermodulation, what do I know. The weight of those harmonics is what gives our voice our characteristics, and is why men sound inherently different to women, even while singing the same note.
Analysing the weight of them is really just math. There's no magic voodoo, it's just taking a recording, and taking the wave-form you hear. If some hooligans can go "but this here court ain't the CSI. You can just take your technologics and scients and geeeet ouuurt," I will be disappointed.
This case is just getting worse and worse every time I check back here.
Analysing the weight of them is really just math. There's no magic voodoo, it's just taking a recording, and taking the wave-form you hear. If some hooligans can go "but this here court ain't the CSI. You can just take your technologics and scients and geeeet ouuurt," I will be disappointed.
This case is just getting worse and worse every time I check back here.
soundscream
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I was saying it's a stupid controversy because it's implying that NBC was trying to paint Zimmerman as a racist when in fact the call that was part of the NBC segment is the same one in which Zimmerman calls martin a coon.
Blackace
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Sure people posted it already but with the 911 tapes being proven that it was the kid begging for his life and funeral home guy saying that outside of the body being shot the kid was pristine, with no signs of a fight on him...
At this point it is looking more and more like he inflicted the wounds on himself for his story...
At this point it is looking more and more like he inflicted the wounds on himself for his story...
elrechazado
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I'm not sure who you're addressing this to, but nobody in this thread said anything about this being unscientific. What has been discussed is the rules of evidence and whether courts allow certain types of evidence and under what circumstances.
Aaronology
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I haven't been able to follow this story for the last day or two. Zimmerman actually has confirmed wounds now?
Unknown One
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Not confirmed at all. There was witnesses that stated that he doesn't have any fatal life threatening wounds at all.
They'll get away it because it certainly does look like Zimmerman is at the very least guilty of manslaughter. If anyone calls them on it, well they're just racists too.
Nope,a cop took a crappy cellphone picture of those so call wounds cant see anything.
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