Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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It also means he is crazy.
I just cant... I mean.. again.... dat comment section...
They are really comparing this to the Trayvon martin case... when the first sentence of the article contains "Seven black teens have been arrested."
Ignorant america is just not aware that Zimmerman has still yet to be arrested for murder. Partly... The rest know, and want him to be freed because he did what was right. Shooting an unarmed kid, who by the same coin, had an alleged lack of a right to defend himself or attack, a would be stalker with a gun. I mean, I know for a fact that all the people in these comment sections wouldn't defend Trayvons right to have murdered Zimmerman if thats what went down, and would be screaming for that gold-toothed hoodlum to be jailed.
Its really hard to try and comprehend why they can't put the shoe on the other foot, and see that something needs to be done here.
right. you hear the OO, long O sound... not a U.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
lol, it's not significant for his "self defense" claim anyway.
A large segment of the Conservatives have knee jerk reaction to anything that happens to minorities. But what about poor whitie! I feel like it has really been expanded upon recent years. Somehow they think racism is gone and whenever minorities complain about anything its their fault or they do it "ten times worse".
Pretty much. The black on black crime arguments cropping up just solidify that. Its as if its ok to break the law on blacks, since blacks break the law and dont self police.
smh.
Bumblebeetuna
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Sounds like punks to me and why would goons be understandable, who says goons anymore?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It would go with the whole B-Movie script being told by the Defense.
Dreams-Visions
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Actually it's directly related. the prosecution can use it to establish a "level of aggression" that the defendant had before exiting his vehicle against police request. On it's own, it means little. But against the backdrop of a past history of aggressive behavior, it matters.
StopMakingSense
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Let's split the difference, maybe he's a postmodern super racist and he's saying 'gooks'
I don't understand how people can hear a "p" sound. I just can't. It definitely sounds like "coons". That coupled with the fact that he said, "These assholes always get away" after identifying Trayvon as being black is all the proof I needed.
The weirdos on the SA forums?
Considering we've already established that hes only been calling on suspicious black people. He thinks these assholes always get away. I would have to lean towards goons.
googleplex
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I've listened to it multiple times and hear "coons" every time.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=36540108#post36540108
Well... that is... interesting.. Rulings on stand your ground laws.. etc.
Well... that is... interesting.. Rulings on stand your ground laws.. etc.
For me I hear a PUH sound at the beginning. I dunno that's just how it sounds to me. It's very possible it will sound different to me in a different state of mind as I initially thought it said coons when that 911 tape first released. I still don't think it's clear enough to truly decipher it with 100% certainty and even then, at least in my mind, it really doesn't matter. The other actions surrounding him picking out Trayvon as suspicious makes me believe he profiled him anyway.
shanshan310
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Agreed. I can hear both sounds though. At first I heard "coons" because that's what the poster and the youtube video stated, then I saw people saying "punks", and I could hear that too.
Zimmerman's lawyer is quoted as saying:
"In my legal opinion, that's not really applicable to this case. The statute on 'stand your ground' is primarily when you're in your house. This is self-defense, and that's been around for forever -- that you have a right to defend yourself. So the next issue (that) is going to come up is, was he justified in using the amount of force he did?"
Then like eight hours later he flip flopped to:
Sonner said the so-called stand-your-ground law, under which a person who feels threatened is not required to retreat and can "meet force with force" if attacked, will be applicable in the case.
Zimmerman's 'black friend' says it's between "coons" and "goons".
He also said coons could be a term of endearment but didn't go on to explain why Zimmerman would use "fucking coons" as a term of endearment while pursuing Trayvon Martin.
Dreams-Visions
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AMENDMENT: it's not a term of endearment outside of Louisiana, and only among a specific community there. He is not part of nor descended from Louisiana or the aforementioned culture. His "black friend" is full of shit and trying to ride his 15 minutes of fame as far as he can.
You may as well just accept this is how the world works, justice isn't blind: it's for sale and can be shaped by those with power.
Neuromancer
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Sounds to me like he's saying poons. I know that doesn't make sense but that's what it sounds like to me, the ph-sound is very clear.
YEaaaaaaaaaaahhh This could be it. Definitely isn't punks.. like "Its fuckin cold..." hes talking to the operator, nervous, he would say some shit like this. I've done that while on a phone. Idle phone chatter...
Good ears junior. What would the temperature be like that night..?
good possibility.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
The fact that the Magical Black Friend Zimmerman pulled out of his ass has basically conceded he said coons is pretty damning, no?
I've listened to the recording several times and I definitely hear coons.
I've listened to the recording several times and I definitely hear coons.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Wha?
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I remember the people who heard punks... lol
It was for sure coons, there are some terms you never forget when you hear them
soundscream
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And as far as Zimmermans "black friend" saying it could be a term of endearment, its coonass not coon, you leave the ass out and its a derogatory term for black people.
Just in case this got buried, I'm putting it up again.
I had chills down my spine when I heard that audio. Since the media frenzy began, we've constantly heard quotes from Zimmerman and his relatives that this was self-defense. Hearing the audio is mind blowing.
I'm putting this in bold because I haven't seen this thoroughly clarified in the past 15 pages:
1. Assume for a moment that we don't have conclusive evidence as to whom the person yelling for help is, now let's go through the concrete facts.
2. The gunshot and subsequent halt to the yelling happens at 41 seconds into the 911 call, so the yelling and heavily lopsided balance of power in the fight, at a very minimum lasted for 41 seconds. Those 41 seconds of yelling for help come from a single voice, which indicates that one person in particular was under constant duress for at least 41 seconds. The presence of only voice in duress indicates a clear division in this fight: one person in a dominant, controlling position, and the other person under extreme duress.
3. There is a one second gap between the last call for help and the gunshot. This means the person calling for help had to have been the victim of the gunshot, because the cries for help stopped after the gunshot.
4. The chances of the person in duress being able to (1) break free from his duress (2) compose himself for a chance to fire the weapon, and (3) fire the weapon, in a split second, is impossible. This means the victim of the gunshot (Trayvon Martin), was undoubtedly in a state of constant and unremitting duress before he was killed. This goes against every notion of Martin being the instigator of the altercation and the dominant component.
5. Whoever fired that gun, was the person who instigated the fight, remained the dominant component, and ended the incident with a gunshot.
Thoughts?
shanshan310
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That is most definitely an adolescent voice saying help. No way that is a full grown man.
Is this the caller?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Rf4G0JOOk&feature=related
Is this the caller?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08Rf4G0JOOk&feature=related
Trayvon lawyers want U.S. to review prosecutor's role
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/01/us-usa-shooting-florida-idUSBRE82U0B120120401
Dreams-Visions
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GOOD.
but since there's no such word, we can disregard that thought, right?
Hmmmm....now I hear "punks", too.
I listened to it a dozen times more and I'd be lying if I said that I don't hear it now.
demigod
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Yep, makes sense. He had time to make up excuses and ANY wounds if there were any, he could've self inflicted on himself before anyone came.
He told EMT that it was him screaming for help while they were cleaning him up. How do people forget what the police officer wrote or told to the media? People trying to defend Zimmerman and making up excuses that he didn't say it when in fact he already said it. He will be held accountable for this in court after they find out it's not his voice, lol.
Completely agree. It's been revealed that Zimmerman certainly wasn't yelling for help, so that just leaves Trayvon....who was in distress during the entire altercation. And certainly no one can claim to be "defending" themselves from a person who is crying in agony for at least 40 seconds.
All of Zimmerman's arguments are coming apart one-by-one. This is just the latest contradiction.
2 experts says it was not him as well
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...mans-2-experts-say?pc=25&sp=25#discussion_nav
ShinNL
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This whole thing sounds like a chapter from Phoenix Wright at this point. Cold blooded murder, family of ex-judge, prosecutors preventing arrest, PD covering things up by neglecting (and therefor lost) evidence and by releasing false statements.
I want to say Objection! so hard right now
I want to say Objection! so hard right now
Was watching an interview on CNN with Florida lead prosecutor Angela Corey and she said:
It was on Anderson Cooper and here's a transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/26/acd.01.html Another video of an interview with her: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/03/27/exp-point-corey-trayvon-two.cnn
The fact that they have such a big burden worries me that they won't be able to accomplish that, but all the evidence coming out piece by piece every day or every other day gives me hope.
It was on Anderson Cooper and here's a transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/26/acd.01.html Another video of an interview with her: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/03/27/exp-point-corey-trayvon-two.cnn
The fact that they have such a big burden worries me that they won't be able to accomplish that, but all the evidence coming out piece by piece every day or every other day gives me hope.
Georgie's brother on Piers Morgan getting grilled (from yesterday). God he's such a liar. Just repeating the same bullshit his brother was spouting.
And that Toure-Piers on-air battle left me a little uncomfortable....
Ordinarily, I wouldn't watch this show. Can't stand the guy.
edit:
PIERS: Who is screaming there?
ROBERT: That's my brother.
[...]
*Piers goes on to say that the family contends that it's Trayvon's voice*
ROBERT: Hopefully there are technological means to sort that out.
LOL
And that Toure-Piers on-air battle left me a little uncomfortable....
Ordinarily, I wouldn't watch this show. Can't stand the guy.
edit:
PIERS: Who is screaming there?
ROBERT: That's my brother.
[...]
*Piers goes on to say that the family contends that it's Trayvon's voice*
ROBERT: Hopefully there are technological means to sort that out.
LOL
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