Private security guards kill black male for tespassing.
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Mecha_Infantry
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What gets me is the need for these people to keep shooting
I mean they said he charged him/was fighting, so you SHOOT him? You shouldn't have a right to kill a person, it's absurd. The gun law in USA is so fucked up, but I think people are more fucked up
I mean they said he charged him/was fighting, so you SHOOT him? You shouldn't have a right to kill a person, it's absurd. The gun law in USA is so fucked up, but I think people are more fucked up
Who should make that judgement call? The guy with the gun?
For the record, I'm in favor of civilian gun ownership, but also in favor of the utmost restraint in actually using them.
Give me their names. I want numbers, I want faces, I want locations of these criminals.
It was the liberals, wasn't it.
Cant really find too much information on this whole thing. This case doesnt seem to have the degree of witnesses the Trayvon one has etc.
In a situation like this it is hard to prosecute unless some strong forensic evidence shows up or a star witness. At this point it seems like neither exist
In a situation like this it is hard to prosecute unless some strong forensic evidence shows up or a star witness. At this point it seems like neither exist
The problem stems from having wannabe cops that couldn't make it in or qualify for the police academy. They end up as security officers thinking they have powers like the police.
As for people asking why these security guards have guns, it just depends on the level of certification a company wants to hire a security guards for what their needs are. Some guards are qualified to carry while others not. Obviously, these guys didn't use the best judgement in this situation.
I was kidding, I don't place value on life... ever...
In an unfortunate situation where lethal force comes into the picture, I sure as shit will do my best to exhaust ever way to diffuse the situation. First being to leave before any altercation occurs.
I'm not sure how much one needs to own a gun but I am in favour of a competent, psychologically sound citizen being allowed to exercise such a right. Are the guns always getting to the right hands? That is another discussion entirely.
I wouldn't own a gun myself. I don't need one.
Truth.
Though I used to work in security when I was 18-19... I knew a few coworkers who were just waiting to be officers themselves. Since it's not the easiest profession to get into and that it costs money just to apply to different police academys. And they usually reapply every few months to a year, so it takes a pretty penny by the end.
Fun fact, the security companies I used to work for were all owned by retired ex cops. Not really that fun ... or much of a fact...
Okay, I didn't mean to be accusatory. I just know that the topic comes up in other threads about firearm deaths, and sometimes involves people dismissing those killed as worthless and deserving of death regardless. That line of thinking kind of scares me, and my inability of handle it is probably why I may never choose to own a gun myself.
They also demand the respect that police have. when that isn't there, the only other thing that they have is a weapon. They use it as punctuation to their egos, but never try to do what police actually do. Police don't generally go out wanting to start a fight, or wanting to shoot someone. They try to diffuse a situation. This is what these guys seemingly just plain don't have. They put themselves in positions that will lean them towards justified violence.
Guns for protection of the threat of the immediate exit of your soul, I'm fine with. But you can't thrust yourself into the roll of an officer, their job is to put their life on the line for the rest of us. They are the ones that demand a civilian get out of a car, as its their right to do so, and our duty to comply.
The adrenaline in the guys voice, my god. Take pictures of the guy, tell the police a description of the car, and make sure he doesn't come back. Well err, I guess they did.
one of these things is not like the others, one of these things just does not belong.
Nah, it's par for the course in these type of threads, so I can understand where you were coming from.
I made a silly joke.
But really it's pretty clear many people hold little value for some life.
I remember the thread about the girl who died(or was a vegetable, I forget) from being tazed by a cop...
Apparently her life to some was worth very little.
I'm rambling, I'll stop...
shanshan310
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Yes, the freedom to kill other people, and the freedom to be killed. Sure sounds like freedom to me.
No matter how much government you enact, death and murder will occur. Gun ownership is the most important personal power of self defense that nulls physical strength.
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
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Most security guards don't, but there are armed positions. Even then, in my experience (four years as a guard and supervisor), you'll always find a few unarmed guards illegally carrying on the job, especially if they work in a sketchy area. Most security guards generally don't give a fuck and are just trying to earn some money to survive on, but you always get a few overzealous types, such as these idiots, and MANY guards often lie about what happened during an incident. Not to mention many guards simply cannot later accurately recall what went down. Security guards are generally a fucking joke and not to be taken seriously, but at the same time, you have to keep your eye out for those zealots that take shit paying job way too seriously and think they're police officers. All these guards had the authority to do is observe and call the police. Their guns exist as a deterrent more than anything else anything.
shanshan310
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And that has nothing at all to do with "freedom".
As someone who is 5'1 I can definitely understand the appeal of having something to combat against physical superiority. I also thinks that guns are far, far too powerful. You should be able to disable someone from attacking you, you should not be able to murder them. Giving people guns for defence means that you are also inadvertently giving people guns to attack with, and increase the chances of nutters getting hold of weapons. I have a right to feel safe in my community, and knowing that there are a bunch of paranoid gun-carriers in it does not make me feel safe at all.
When you live in a dense society, especially a city, you have to deal with potential social unrest with every social reaction. The potential for a crazy to get a hold of a gun and floor a building is not unheard of, but statistically it is not existent. There are more deaths due to knife conflict than there are gun conflict. In fact, when people tried to relate the increase in gun ownership with an increase in crime, they found no correlation.
Your fear of gun owners is no different that the fear of child molesters and the fear of alleyway muggers. Both crimes happen, but there isn't a mugger or molestor in every dark alley.
bigtroyjon
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What's tespassing? Is that like muder or buglary?
Boozeroony
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21 times? Wow....
Zeouterlimits
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These guys aren't over zealous idiots, they're murderers! 21 shots!
God, it's disgusting, how nutters like these can get their hands on guns.
God, it's disgusting, how nutters like these can get their hands on guns.
Castor Krieg
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See, gun rights made perfect sense when the American Constitution was drafted, with many settlements and farms far away from civilization or law enforcement agencies. IT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE to keep it right now, with police forces available for assistance almost everywhere.
By all means, continue to preach "freedom", I in the meantime will not move to US out of fear that my kids will encounter some gun-wielding nut job on the way from school.
Sad to read. It sucks stuff like this goes down.
On another note: Gun rights aren't an issue themselves. There should be some greater restriction on who can hold one and such since obviously not everyone is capable to be in possession of arms. You can say take them away all together but its silly since not everyone is a fucking moron with a gun either. It's very hard to regulate such an action though so I don't know.
On another note: Gun rights aren't an issue themselves. There should be some greater restriction on who can hold one and such since obviously not everyone is capable to be in possession of arms. You can say take them away all together but its silly since not everyone is a fucking moron with a gun either. It's very hard to regulate such an action though so I don't know.
Hillzagold
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shanshan310
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They did a huge buyback of guns in Australia in 1996. Since then gun homicide, general homicide, and burglary all decreased significantly. (Source). You can still own guns, but you need a damn good reason in order to get a gun licence (self defence is not considered a real reason for owning a gun there).
I'm not sure what the second part means. It sounds like you're implying that there IS a gun owner in every dark alley
reminds me of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bell_shooting_incident
Boozeroony
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Hey, just protecting my propuhtee!
Gun rights aren't the issue, but some people don't deserve gun rights...
MWS Natural
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It's funny, because I remember this huge security guard case three years ago here in Norway. It was ALL OVER the media, like the biggest news broadcast had it as its primary news that day, and it spawned debates on TV about what security guards can and cannot do. What did the two security guards in question do? They ran after some dude through the streets, caught up to him, put him on the ground and put hand-cuffs on him. It was an uproar. They ended up being charging with taking away the freedom of another person. I think the guy had stole a salad or something from the store the guards worked at
Ploid 3.0
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This reminds me of when I watched a twisted movie at school one time. It featured a lot of real dead bodies and how they died. For about 2 days I was afraid of everything, paranoid that I'd get killed in some freak final destination type situation. Now if I see a neighborhood watch, security guard, or just a person that is trying to get me to stop, or maybe wait on the police I'm going to get on my belly, put my hands on my head and bite my tongue. If they are crooks and just wanted me to stop so they can take my car or rob/kill me, oh well.
I'm definitely going to get used to recording confrontations on my phone. Maybe have a kick stand for when I'm in the car. Start live streaming with the archive option.
Did the guy try to take off when he saw a gun or before? An apartment complex? What if he was dropping someone off, so many questions.
I'm definitely going to get used to recording confrontations on my phone. Maybe have a kick stand for when I'm in the car. Start live streaming with the archive option.
Did the guy try to take off when he saw a gun or before? An apartment complex? What if he was dropping someone off, so many questions.
Metalmurphy
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What is it with security guards thinking they have any kind of authority?
"Your orders"? Fuck You.
Thats my attitude here. Ofc in the US it would just get me killed probably
"Your orders"? Fuck You.
Thats my attitude here. Ofc in the US it would just get me killed probably
MidgarBlowedUp
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I'm just too confused by the wording to even understand what happened.
Was he in the car trying to run the security guards over or did he actually scream "chaaaarrgggeee" and run towards the two guards on foot?
“doing everything he could to pull off”
What?
So he was fighting one of the security guards while he was driving?
How does that work?
Was the security guard running beside the car throwing punches through the window?
“After they shot in the car and it caught on fire, the security guards were calling him names and said, ‘Let the nigger burn,’”
So, did they shot in the car when the guy was in there or?
not trying to make fun of the situation, I just can't understand what the fuck happened with this kind of vague reporting.
if he was trying to run the guards over then yeah I'd have done the same thing.
Was he in the car trying to run the security guards over or did he actually scream "chaaaarrgggeee" and run towards the two guards on foot?
“doing everything he could to pull off”
What?
So he was fighting one of the security guards while he was driving?
How does that work?
Was the security guard running beside the car throwing punches through the window?
“After they shot in the car and it caught on fire, the security guards were calling him names and said, ‘Let the nigger burn,’”
So, did they shot in the car when the guy was in there or?
not trying to make fun of the situation, I just can't understand what the fuck happened with this kind of vague reporting.
if he was trying to run the guards over then yeah I'd have done the same thing.
OfWhiteSkinOnRedLeather
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They don't. Security guards don't simply decide to carry on the job. There are two kinds of security guard positions, armed and unarmed. Obviously armed guards carry, but most security guard positions are unarmed (as in zero weapons of any kind). The type of guard is determined based on what the client wants. That said, a few unarmed position guards choose to illegally carry (even if you have a permit, as an unarmed guard it is illegal to carry on the job, at least in CT).
travisbickle
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Ploid 3.0
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http://youtu.be/6qweMOnPmXM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VeLuwXJ2aM&feature=player_detailpage#t=168s
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Lol, while I agree is should be amended out of the constitution and pushed down to the states. I have lived in areas, Towns in the middle of nowhere with a 20 plus minute response tome. So the police and the state advised you to own a weapon.
give them hammers. if they are going to do something stupid then at least they have to dirty their hands instead of killing somebody in a second with a gun.
shanshan310
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And they have to get within arms reach of the person.
ReBurn
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I've read a couple of articles about this. It seems like the guards said the guy was trying to run them down with his car as if it were a weapon. No doubt to justify their self defense position. But I have to wonder...if the guards had the presence of mind to pull their guns and shoot, why didn't they have the presence of mind to jump out of the way?
Disobeyed and perhaps hurt their feelings of authority.
Yes that's why 95% of them are unarmed.
shanshan310
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Guards are more valuable to society than doctors or farmers now?
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