Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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Zimmerman scandal unraveling.

And yea, usually if you have a wound, you put a bandage on it. At the very least. First aid and bandage are practically synonymous.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
Yeah. Paramedics aren't allowed to eff around with head injuries. You CAN release yourself on your own recognizance, but they have MASIVE liability in head injury situations and get super isnistent.
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Yeah, if they were at all concerned about a head injury, they would definitely at least document somewhere that their concerns were explained to the patient and that the patient refused treatment.
 
Something people are not getting
It's the amazing disappearing, reappearing, disappearing head wound. It has the magical properties of ONLY BEING VISIBLE IN ONE SINGLE GRAINY SHOT. NO other views of his head show what that one frame seems to show. He had a gash two inches long on his head that wasn't bleeding and didn't require stitches? It's also the amazing instant-clotting head wound!
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...d-wound-trayvon-scuffle-abc-article-1.1054625

I got this from the comment section, it keep disappearing its not a freaking wound.


Edit:You can even see it in those gifs that it keep reappearing an disappearing.
 
verbum said:
What a mess:

The Sanford police have said that once Mr. Zimmerman declared that he had shot Trayvon in the chest in self-defense, they were barred from arresting him by the state’s now-famous Stand Your Ground law, the broadest protection of self-defense in the country. It immediately requires law enforcement officials to prove that a suspect did not act in self-defense, and sets the case on a slow track.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/us/trayvon-martin-shooting-prompts-a-review-of-ideals.html?_r=1&pagewanted=7&partner=rss&emc=rss?
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That's not a true statement of Florida law. The law doesn't require police to "prove" anything just because a person declares that he shot in self-defense. All the statute does is require that the police have probable cause to believe the use of force was not justified. That is an extra burden that is usually not there, but it is not a large one, and it certainly doesn't require the police to fucking prove anything.
 
George Zimmerman's Attorney: 'This Is Not A Race Issue'
The attorney of the man accused of shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin says "this is not a race issue."

During an interview with Tell Me More's Michel Martin (no relation), attorney Craig Sonner said his client George Zimmerman had black friends, who he's talked to and they have vouched for him.

In one case, he said, Zimmerman, who is white of Hispanic descent, mentored a black woman's daughter and son. He asked the woman if Zimmerman was a racist and whether he used racial slurs, and she answered no. "She had good things to say," said Sonner adding that both that woman and another black friend of Zimmerman's won't come forward because they are afraid of backlash.
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way.../zimmermans-attorney-this-is-not-a-race-issue

Well that it his black friends confirmed he is not racist, lets go home guys.
 
ANY TIME you feel desperate enough to continually play the "but look, I have [insert race of person you've done wrong] friends", you did something wrong.
 
alphaNoid said:
Police probably don't have enough evidence to convict Zimmerman, hence no arrest. Additionally they are not releasing all their information because its an active case.

Public unrest is building so blame is being thrown all over the place. Mob mentality.
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I don't believe police themselves determine whether they have enough evidence to convict, just whether a law has been broken. This thread is curiously absent of Real Cop-GAF.


Also, having minority friends does not indicate non-racism. They usually consider those "one of the good ones."
 
Dram said:
http://www.thegrio.com/specials/trayvon-martin/trayvon-martin-lawyers-want-feds-to-look-into-state-attorney-zimmerman-family-presence-on-february-2.php
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^In counter to this:

Prosecutor denies interfering in Florida shooting case.

SANFORD, Florida (Reuters) - A Florida prosecutor who removed himself from the investigation into the shooting death of black teenager Trayvon Martin denied on Monday that he quashed police intentions to charge the shooter with manslaughter.

State Attorney Norm Wolfinger asked the U.S. Justice Department civil rights division to disregard a letter it received from lawyers for Martin's family which referred to reports that Wolfinger interfered in the police investigation.

The letter contained "outright lies," Wolfinger said.

George Zimmerman, 28, a neighborhood watch volunteer, shot and killed 17-year-old Martin on February 26 in Sanford, Florida, claiming self defense. Police did not arrest Zimmerman, saying evidence had failed to contradict his story that he was attacked by Martin. The racially charged case has prompted demonstrations around the United States demanding Zimmerman's arrest. The Justice Department has agreed to review the investigation by Florida state and local authorities.

ABC News reported last week that Sanford police detective Chris Serino, unconvinced by Zimmerman's story of self-defense, wanted to charge him with manslaughter, but was overruled by Wolfinger's office.

A separate report by news website TheGrio.com, unconfirmed by Reuters, said Wolfinger left his home the Sunday night of the shooting to meet with Sanford police in person. Benjamin Crump, a lawyer for the Martin family, asked the Justice Department in a letter on Monday to investigate those reports. Though the letter reported the events without attribution, Crump told Reuters his information came from the media reports and he did not have independent verification.

Wolfinger had declined all comment since removing himself from the case on March 22, but fired back in a statement on Monday. "I am outraged by the outright lies contained in the letter by Benjamin Crump," Wolfinger said. "I encourage the Justice Department to investigate and document that no such meeting or communication occurred."

Wolfinger said last month he removed himself from the case in the hope of "toning down the rhetoric." That same day, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee also stepped aside, saying "my involvement in the matter is overshadowing the process." The city commission governing Sanford had passed a motion of "no confidence" against Lee the night before.

Florida Governor Rick Scott named a special prosecutor, Angela Corey, to replace Wolfinger on the shooting investigation. Corey has yet to say if she intends to charge Zimmerman, who remains free but in hiding. Lynne Bumpus-Hooper, a spokesman for Wolfinger, said the state attorney never spoke with Lee on the night of the shooting. Instead Sanford police consulted that night with Kelly Jo Hines, the prosecutor on call, Bumpus-Hooper said. She declined to say what was discussed.

"Police officers can make an arrest at virtually any dadgum point they feel they have enough probable cause to make an arrest," Bumpus-Hooper said. "They do not need our permission and they do not seek our permission."

(Reporting by Daniel Trotta and Barbara Liston. Editing by David Adams and David Brunnstrom)
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J said:
Somebody's lying.
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Guess we better have the DoJ do an investigation to find out the truth then!?

By the way the allegations came from a comment by the homicide investigator that said he initially wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter. Its not Martin family vs the DA its the Sanford Police personnel vs the DA.
 
Allard said:
Guess we better have the DoJ do an investigation to find out the truth then!?

By the way the allegations came from a comment by the homicide investigator that said he initially wanted Zimmerman charged with manslaughter. Its not Martin family vs the DA its the Sanford Police personnel vs the DA.
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Which makes it even worse that somebody's lying. Probably the DA.
 
If the SA was at the station with the chief, BOTH sides are lying. It seems like they're all in a scramble to not take the fall for how shoddy and shady the investigation went.

No one wants to take the fall, which is why Wolfinger and Chief Lee ran for cover on the same day, "stepping down" from the investigation.

Seems like there may be more heat coming down from the Department Of Justice than we know about. I mean, this is turning into a corruption investigation.
 
K.Jack said:
If the SA was at the station with the chief, BOTH sides are lying. It seems like they're all in a scramble to not take the fall for how shoddy and shady the investigation went.

No one wants to take the fall, which is why Wolfinger and Chief Lee ran for cover on the same day, "stepping down" from the investigation.

Seems like there may be more heat coming down from the Department Of Justice than we know about. I mean, this is turning into a corruption investigation.
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And well it should. There are just way too many inconsistencies, and the fact that the lead investigator wanted to charge Zimmerman but was told not to by the DA screams coverup. Still, I just want Zimmerman arrested now. All this other stuff can wait until afterwards.
 
It's bizarre how so many people in high places were willing to take the fall for this nobody. And some are still defending their original actions, only digging a deeper hole for themselves when the DOJ eventually decides to start shaming people.
 
Leona Lewis said:
It's bizarre how so many people in high places were willing to take the fall for this nobody. And some are still defending their original actions, only digging a deeper hole for themselves when the DOJ eventually decides to start shaming people.
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Is it all because his dad is a retired judge who pulled strings? This is getting juicy. I hope all of them get get exposed.
 
Korey said:
Is it all because his dad is a retired judge who pulled strings? This is getting juicy. I hope all of them get get exposed.
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Wasn't something posted this morning about him not being a true judge, and it wasn't in Florida anyway?
 
If strings were pulled it probably wasn't a big deal - something they've done and gotten away with plenty of times, and now don't think anything of it... the best way I can explain it is with a work example (best buy).

So there was this co-worker who, when she started to work, was very diligent about the employee discounting rules, ie - don't share it with your friends. She would never do it, but eventually she caved and helped out a cousin with a deal (I saw this take place) - the world didn't collapse around her so she must have kept doing it. A few months goes by, and all shit is okay, and then one day all of a sudden police show up and she gets pulled into the GM's office for a talk.

Apparently, the word is she escalated from helping out a cousin with a pair of headphones - to eventually purchasing items in bulk and re-selling them on craigslist and the like, turning something close to a 20,000 dollar profit.

Once that initial fear goes away, of getting caught, people start doing all sorts of stupid shit because they feel invincible.
 
Professor Beef said:
"Not in hiding," my ass. People have been demanding his arrest for weeks.
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Umm, with people using violent rhetoric about him, what do you want him to be doing? He's in hiding from the vigilante public, and (I hope it's when not if) when he's charged, he's just saying he won't be hiding from law enforcement. Not like this is rocket surgery dudes.
 
elrechazao said:
Umm, with people using violent rhetoric about him, what do you want him to be doing? He's in hiding from the vigilante public, and (I hope it's when not if) when he's charged, he's just saying he won't be hiding from law enforcement. Not like this is rocket surgery dudes.
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Oh yeah, forgot about the violent parts of the public. :|
 
elrechazao said:
Umm, with people using violent rhetoric about him, what do you want him to be doing? He's in hiding from the vigilante public, and (I hope it's when not if) when he's charged, he's just saying he won't be hiding from law enforcement. Not like this is rocket surgery dudes.
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You must be a closet racist! If you disagree with me, you are racist until proven otherwise, except that any evidence you offer that you are not a racist will be immediately discounted, because that disagreement is ipso facto proof of racism.

Am I doing it right?
 
Open Source said:
You must be a closet racist! If you disagree with me, you are racist until proven otherwise, except that any evidence you offer that you are not a racist will be immediately discounted, because that disagreement is ipso facto proof of racism.

Am I doing it right?
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Errrrr...ummm.....LOOK A BIRD



/backs out of the thread again
 
Open Source said:
You must be a closet racist! If you disagree with me, you are racist until proven otherwise, except that any evidence you offer that you are not a racist will be immediately discounted, because that disagreement is ipso facto proof of racism.

Am I doing it right?
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Hua?
 
elrechazao said:
Umm, with people using violent rhetoric about him, what do you want him to be doing? He's in hiding from the vigilante public, and (I hope it's when not if) when he's charged, he's just saying he won't be hiding from law enforcement. Not like this is rocket surgery dudes.
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Is there still a change that he wont even get charged? Man, that's some fucked up law system.
 
Open Source said:
You must be a closet racist! If you disagree with me, you are racist until proven otherwise, except that any evidence you offer that you are not a racist will be immediately discounted, because that disagreement is ipso facto proof of racism.

Am I doing it right?
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This is why open source projects should have a governing body that controls what gets added to nighly builds.
 
All I have to say in this matter is, George Zimmerman was under arrest from what we've seen in the video. Being in law enforcement, once the cuffs go on that's it. More than likely, someone higher up got involved.
 
One thing about the whole Zimmerman injury to me- If he was inured as he claimed to have been, then why are there no reports of him going to a hospital after the shooting?
 
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