Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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NervousXtian said:
I don't know who's screams it was, I can see both sides.. but saying it's the voice of a kid is misleading. Trayvon was 17, hardly a little kid, we don't know yet if he had his "man" voice. I haven't heard a recording of Trayvon's voice, and as far as I know one hasn't been released.

It's conjecture to say with certainty that it was Trayvon because it sounded like a little kid. If he was 13, that angle plays off better, but he wasn't.

You don't need to make Trayvon seem like a little kid to prove it was a wrongful death.
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You can see both sides in that you think that's Zimmerman screaming for help? Because that's a pretty ridiculous stance. And I mean ridiculous. As far as his age, I'm a 39 year old man and have a handful of little cousins his age. Trayvon was a straight up kid, sorry. I don't know what you're getting at stating that I'm trying to make him seem like a "little" kid though.
 
Kinitari said:
If this is true, hopefully this gives people some more perspective. I've been saying for a while that race shouldn't be highlighted as an issue, and for all we know Zimmerman could not be racist.

Even if this didn't actually occur, the idea that people are jumping to the racist conclusion so quickly is a little unsettling to me. Hopefully as more time passes, the race issue will be let go more and more.
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Zimmerman doesn't have to be an overt racist for race to be an issue worth highlighting. The case really is exemplary of how black lives are valued less than others and how vigilantism and stereotypes, particularly about black males, negatively affect black lives (to the point of killing them). All of that notwithstanding whether Zimmerman consciously dislikes black people or consciously entertains stereotypes about them.
 
empty vessel said:
Zimmerman doesn't have to be an overt racist for race to be an issue worth highlighting. The case really is exemplary of how black lives are valued less than others and how vigilantism and stereotypes, particularly about black males, negatively affects black lives (to the point of killing them). All of that notwithstanding whether Zimmerman consciously dislikes black people or consciously entertains stereotypes about them.
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I pretty much completely agree. I just hope people can make the distinction between it being an overarching issue in institutionalised racial bias and an overtly racist man wanting to kill someone of a particular ethnicity.
 
bob_arctor said:
I'm a 39 year old man and have a handful of little cousins his age. Trayvon was a straight up kid, sorry.
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Based off the early images that were released by the family - I too thought Trayvon Martin was a kid. Given his age at the time of the tragedy, I'd say that distinction is still accurate.

However, with new photos that have surfaced recently - I'd say physically he easily resembles an adult:

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I think he was 6"1 - 6"3? That's quite tall. Even for most adults.
 
bjb said:
Based off the early images that were released by the family - I too thought Trayvon Martin was a kid. Given his age at the time of the tragedy, I'd say that distinction is still accurate.

However, with new photos that have surfaced recently - I'd say physically he easily resembles an adult:

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I think he was 6"1 - 6"3? That's quite tall. Even for most adults.[/QUOTE]

That seriously looks like an ADULT to you?
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Loudninja said:
Who gives a damn how tall he is?why is am I keep seeing this being brought up?
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People are trying to find a way to make him seem threatening, in order to justify their desire to side with Zimmerman. Or, to make Zimmerman's statements make sense at all. Unfortunately, it's not working for the Zimmerman team, based on the photos we have.
 
bjb said:
Based off the early images that were released by the family - I too thought Trayvon Martin was a kid. Given his age at the time of the tragedy, I'd say that distinction is still accurate.

However, with new photos that have surfaced recently - I'd say physically he easily resembles an adult:

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trayvon-martin-girlfriend-larger.jpg


I think he was 6"1 - 6"3? That's quite tall. Even for most adults.
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Yup, looks like a skinny ass kid to me.
 
NBC issues apology on Zimmerman tape screw-up
NBC has completed its investigation into the mishandling of the police dispatcher’s conversation with George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case. And the process ends with a finding of error, plus an apology. Here is the statement just issued by the network:

During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret. We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers.

That apology addresses the “Today” show’s failure to abridge accurately the conversation between Zimmerman and the dispatcher in this high-profile case. This is how the program portrayed a segment of that conversation:
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...tape-screw-up/2012/04/03/gIQA8m5jtS_blog.html

Next they should fixed that so call enhance video screw-up as well.
 
If Wolfinger was at the station that night, he'd be on camera right? If the on-call prosecutor did a phone conversation, there will be phone records, yes?

Why argue about it when it's that simple?
 
Dram said:
Questions on whether Zimmerman's father coached him on what to say before or during a police reenactment of the shooting.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/04/03/457593/trayvonmartin-family-attorney-questions-robert-zimmerman/?mobile=nc
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I don't know if Zimmerman's father is licensed to practice law in Florida, but anybody speaking to the police always has a right to have a lawyer present. Of course, it's usually not a good idea for that lawyer to be your own father, but there's nothing that says it can't be. If elder Zimmerman was not representing his son, then that would typically reflect a lot of deference given to Zimmerman by police to allow his father's presence during an interview. But all we know here is that his father was present at a public place (outside) that the police couldn't have excluded him from being even if they wanted to.
 
bjb said:
Based off the early images that were released by the family - I too thought Trayvon Martin was a kid. Given his age at the time of the tragedy, I'd say that distinction is still accurate.

However, with new photos that have surfaced recently - I'd say physically he easily resembles an adult:

trayvon-martin-family-photos-1_1.jpg


trayvon-martin-girlfriend-larger.jpg


I think he was 6"1 - 6"3? That's quite tall. Even for most adults.
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Wow, he was a twig. :(
 
bjb said:
Based off the early images that were released by the family - I too thought Trayvon Martin was a kid. Given his age at the time of the tragedy, I'd say that distinction is still accurate.

However, with new photos that have surfaced recently - I'd say physically he easily resembles an adult:

trayvon-martin-family-photos-1_1.jpg


trayvon-martin-girlfriend-larger.jpg


I think he was 6"1 - 6"3? That's quite tall. Even for most adults.
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If I were you I wouldn't have come back to troll the thread that got you banned.
 
Trayvon Martin shooting death -- initial police reports

this from yahoo:

The report states that George Zimmerman's gun "was placed into evidence" and not returned to him, and the scene of the shooting was secured with crime scene tape. This directly conflicts with statements made by civil rights activists, including Rev. Jesse Jackson, who had claimed the Sanford, Fla., police department "didn't even bother to put yellow tape around the murder scene when he died—that's how much the police did to find out what happened to this young boy."
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Oh, those "race hustlers" leading us easily duped people astray!

Officer Timothy Smith, first on scene:

While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."
"Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD. While the SF was attending to Zimmerman, I overheard him state, 'I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me.' At no point did I question Zimmerman about the incident that had taken place.
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bob_arctor said:
While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head."
"Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD. While the SF was attending to Zimmerman, I overheard him state, 'I was yelling for someone to help me, but no one would help me.' At no point did I question Zimmerman about the incident that had taken place.
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This report was written after the state's attorney said not to file charges, right?
 
bjb said:
Based off the early images that were released by the family - I too thought Trayvon Martin was a kid. Given his age at the time of the tragedy, I'd say that distinction is still accurate.

However, with new photos that have surfaced recently - I'd say physically he easily resembles an adult:


I think he was 6"1 - 6"3? That's quite tall. Even for most adults.
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There are two things that annoy me about the majority (not all) of the Zimmerman defender posts I've seen in this thread, and this post illustrates both of them.

1) You're posting something that adds nothing of value to the discussion about the crime that everyone is pissed off about in this thread. Whether you or Zimmerman were stupid enough to believe this kid was an adult based only off his height has nothing to do with whether or not Zimmerman had the right to murder this kid for walking in the rain with candy and not get arrested for it.

2) You're trying to argue that Trayvon looked more adult than the media is trying to portray him and that he was "quite tall, even for most adults". By arguing this you're not only fueling the issue that this kid was profiled by Zimmerman and killed because of how he looked, but you're making yourself look just as ignorant as we're claiming Zimmerman was that night.

I know most people posting these photos aren't actually taking the time to read this thread and are just drive by posting, but for the small amount of you that are and actually read this post, PLEASE stop posting pictures of Trayvon unless it shows him holding a gun or a knife the night of his death. No one actively following this thread/this case cares how many pictures of Trayvon you post with gold teeth in his mouth unless somewhere in the Florida Law it states that it's ok to kill people with gold teeth.
 
Kreed said:
There are two things that annoy me about the majority (not all) of the Zimmerman defender posts I've seen in this thread, and this post illustrates both of them.

1) You're posting something that adds nothing of value to the discussion about the crime that everyone is pissed off about in this thread. Whether you or Zimmerman were stupid enough to believe this kid was an adult based only off his height has nothing to do with whether or not Zimmerman had the right to murder this kid for walking in the rain with candy and not get arrested for it.

2) You're trying to argue that Trayvon looked more adult than the media is trying to portray him and that he was "quite tall, even for most adults". By arguing this you're not only fueling the issue that this kid was profiled by Zimmerman and killed because of how he looked, but you're making yourself look just as ignorant as we're claiming Zimmerman was that night.

I know most people posting these photos aren't actually taking the time to read this thread and are just drive by posting, but for the small amount of you that are and actually read this post, PLEASE stop posting pictures of Trayvon unless it shows him holding a gun or a knife the night of his death. No one actively following this thread/this case cares how many pictures of Trayvon you post with gold teeth in his mouth unless somewhere in the Florida Law it states that it's ok to kill people with gold teeth.
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well said.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
Is this usual police behavior? i.e. to reenact with a possible murderer? I only ask because I have no idea.
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I believe that is very common. As long as they're willing to do it.


Do you remember that Norway shooter last year? There were pictures released of the cops taking the shooter back to that island, and walking him through his entire shooting spree.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
Is this usual police behavior? i.e. to reenact with a possible murderer? I only ask because I have no idea.
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Re-enactments happen a lot, but I'm not sure how often with the person originally involved. It's a good way to evaluate stories and statements. In this case he may not have even been obligated to cooperate in that way. I imagine that trying to deviate from his original statement and description of events would be valuable information going forward.
 
Late Tuesday, veteran Orlando-area criminal-defense attorney Craig Uhrig, who often works on cases with Sonner, announced that he was joining the defense team.
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He is confident of their client's self-defense claim, Uhrig told WOFL, in part because Zimmerman has already passed a voice-stress test, something similar to a lie-detector test, administered by Sanford police.

Both lawyers said they never have met Zimmerman face to face.
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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._defense-team-lawrence-o-donnell-wofl-channel

Haha
 
Kreed said:
There are two things that annoy me about the majority (not all) of the Zimmerman defender posts I've seen in this thread, and this post illustrates both of them.

1) You're posting something that adds nothing of value to the discussion about the crime that everyone is pissed off about in this thread. Whether you or Zimmerman were stupid enough to believe this kid was an adult based only off his height has nothing to do with whether or not Zimmerman had the right to murder this kid for walking in the rain with candy and not get arrested for it.

2) You're trying to argue that Trayvon looked more adult than the media is trying to portray him and that he was "quite tall, even for most adults". By arguing this you're not only fueling the issue that this kid was profiled by Zimmerman and killed because of how he looked, but you're making yourself look just as ignorant as we're claiming Zimmerman was that night.

I know most people posting these photos aren't actually taking the time to read this thread and are just drive by posting, but for the small amount of you that are and actually read this post, PLEASE stop posting pictures of Trayvon unless it shows him holding a gun or a knife the night of his death. No one actively following this thread/this case cares how many pictures of Trayvon you post with gold teeth in his mouth unless somewhere in the Florida Law it states that it's ok to kill people with gold teeth.
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Very well said.
 
Loudninja said:
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._defense-team-lawrence-o-donnell-wofl-channel

Haha
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Finally, on March 23, Sonner decided to change course. Someone had to publicly defend Zimmerman, to say that he was no racist and that his claim of self-defense was legitimate.

So Sonner drove to Lake Mary to do an interview at WOFL-Channel 35. Minutes after walking out of the studio, his phone wouldn't stop ringing, he said. When he got back to his office a short time later, network-news trucks were stacked up outside his office.

He flew to New York and made appearances on CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS.
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Gee, I wonder why he agreed to take this case, despite having no experience in homicide defenses.
 
Why is his height even an issue? I mean does that change the dynamic of ANYTHING? There's still a dead kid murdered under questionable circumstances. I've known plenty of tall ass kids in high school. Does that justify shooting them in the chest?

Or are we just empathizing with societies innate fear of the "big black man"?
 
Mammoth Jones said:
Why is his height even an issue? I mean does that change the dynamic of ANYTHING? There's still a dead kid murdered under questionable circumstances. I've known plenty of tall ass kids in high school. Does that justify shooting them in the chest?

Or are we just empathizing with societies innate fear of the "big black man"?
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Yep. They don't get that they are playing right along with it.. but they are, which is why they keep getting banned.

Scumbag Poster:

Tell the blacks to stfu about stereotyping, and that it doesn't exist.

Prove that it exists in every single post you make.
 
KHarvey16 said:
Re-enactments happen a lot, but I'm not sure how often with the person originally involved. It's a good way to evaluate stories and statements. In this case he may not have even been obligated to cooperate in that way. I imagine that trying to deviate from his original statement and description of events would be valuable information going forward.
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No one is ever obligated to speak to the police or "cooperate." About anything, ever.* Let that be a lesson for everybody, because everybody should know it.

* US only
 
empty vessel said:
No one is ever obligated to speak to the police or "cooperate." About anything, ever.* Let that be a lesson for everybody, because everybody should know it.

* US only
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Even in Canada it still isn't so bad, but then again our culture of politeness is something that carries on into members of the Police Force.
 
Ember128 said:
Even in Canada it still isn't so bad, but then again our culture of politeness is something that carries on into members of the Police Force.
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Well, I didn't mean that it was only in the US that one need not ever speak to the police. Only that my statement was only good for the US, because I don't know how other countries work.
 
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