Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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I've lost track on all of this.

is there a site that sums it all up at this point?

- Zimmerman still not arrested.


I think there was a CNN video a few pages back that did nicely, and an article explaining all the different viewpoints (Zimmerman's statement, witness statements, family statements, police statements etc).
 
I can't believe some of the comments in this thread..
You wouldn't believe some of the things people have the gall to say in public. And I'm talking about an elite, liberal, private university in the northeast full of supposedly enlightened and culturally sensitive future leaders of the universe.

- Blaming the victim ("What was he doing outside by himself?"; "Why wasn't he at school?"; "BUT MARIJUANA!")
- Deifying/justifying Zimmerman's actions ("Zimmerman was just doing his job!"; "He was defending himself - this world is kill or be killed")
- Shockingly blatant racial hatred sprinkled with a curious defensive tone ("You never hear Al Sharpton talk about the thugs' victims, only the thugs"; "They're always looking for something to complain about, isn't the presidency enough?")

Just fucking shameful.
 
I realize that Republicans aren't inherently racist, but why does it seem that Republicans and racists routinely have overlapping interest?

http://twitter.com/JBucknoff/status/187388637682466817/photo/1

This is about as intelligent a comment as those that point out when al-Qaeda and Democrats agree in the criticisms of Bush, Republicans, Fox News, American greed, American warmongering in Iraq, American treatment of Muslims abroad, etc. Or those that point out that the Communist Party has endorsed Obama.

In other words, pretty god damn stupid.
 
This is about as intelligent a comment as those that point out when al-Qaeda and Democrats agree in the criticisms of Bush, Republicans, Fox News, American greed, American warmongering in Iraq, American treatment of Muslims abroad, etc. Or those that point out that the Communist Party has endorsed Obama.

In other words, pretty god damn stupid.

No, it's accurate. the Republican party is the neo-Dixiecrat party. It was literally taken over by southern conservatives who opposed integration and the civil rights act and who used to be conservative Democrats. They switched parties, not ideology. (The difference is that, when they were Democrats, they did not exercise of control of the party at a national level. Now they do exercise control of the Republican party nationally.)

The Republican party is a party of racists.
 
There are two things that annoy me about the majority (not all) of the Zimmerman defender posts I've seen in this thread, and this post illustrates both of them.

1) You're posting something that adds nothing of value to the discussion about the crime that everyone is pissed off about in this thread. Whether you or Zimmerman were stupid enough to believe this kid was an adult based only off his height has nothing to do with whether or not Zimmerman had the right to murder this kid for walking in the rain with candy and not get arrested for it.

2) You're trying to argue that Trayvon looked more adult than the media is trying to portray him and that he was "quite tall, even for most adults". By arguing this you're not only fueling the issue that this kid was profiled by Zimmerman and killed because of how he looked, but you're making yourself look just as ignorant as we're claiming Zimmerman was that night.

I know most people posting these photos aren't actually taking the time to read this thread and are just drive by posting, but for the small amount of you that are and actually read this post, PLEASE stop posting pictures of Trayvon unless it shows him holding a gun or a knife the night of his death. No one actively following this thread/this case cares how many pictures of Trayvon you post with gold teeth in his mouth unless somewhere in the Florida Law it states that it's ok to kill people with gold teeth.

So we're no longer arguing that Zimmerman couldn't possibly have needed to use deadly force because there was no way a little kid could make someone 100 pounds heavier fear for their life?

If I recall correctly, the comments regarding the guy's size were a response to that argument. If you don't think that it's an argument that is relevant, blame the people making the original assertions, not the people who counter them.

Of course, it is a moot point, because it turns out that all those people were not in possession of the facts, namely that Zimmerman was only 20 lbs heavier (one of many CSI-GAF fails in this thread).
 
You wouldn't believe some of the things people have the gall to say in public. And I'm talking about an elite, liberal, private university in the northeast full of supposedly enlightened and culturally sensitive future leaders of the universe.

"They're always looking for something to complain about, isn't the presidency enough?"

No mystery who 'they' is supposed to be. It's still alive and well in this day and age. And the north isn't that different, just better at keeping the secret. The neighborhoods I grew up in were diverse, the one my younger sisters grew up was post 'white-flight', and pretty different. If this area was supposed to be more enlightened, why does everyone start moving out once a black family moves in?

So we're no longer arguing that Zimmerman couldn't possibly have needed to use deadly force because there was no way a little kid could make someone 100 pounds heavier fear for their life?

Of course, it is a moot point, because it turns out that all those people were not in possession of the facts, namely that Zimmerman was only 20 lbs heavier (one of many CSI-GAF fails in this thread).

I can't see your statement because I think I have you set to 'willfully ignore'. lol
 
No, it's accurate. the Republican party is the neo-Dixiecrat party. It was literally taken over by southern conservatives who opposed integration and the civil rights act and who used to be conservative Democrats. They switched parties, not ideology. (The difference is that, when they were Democrats, they did not exercise of control of the party at a national level. Now they do exercise control of the Republican party nationally.)

The Republican party is a party of racists.

I know the history, and I'd agree that a racist is more likely to identify with Republicans as a reactionary position.

However, the parts about "exercising control" and "party of racists" are a product of the warped reality you've created for yourself.

You're quite the loon, Empty Vessel.
 
This is about as intelligent a comment as those that point out when al-Qaeda and Democrats agree in the criticisms of Bush, Republicans, Fox News, American greed, American warmongering in Iraq, American treatment of Muslims abroad, etc. Or those that point out that the Communist Party has endorsed Obama.

In other words, pretty god damn stupid.

Hello Mr. Strawman.
 
This is about as intelligent a comment as those that point out when al-Qaeda and Democrats agree in the criticisms of Bush, Republicans, Fox News, American greed, American warmongering in Iraq, American treatment of Muslims abroad, etc. Or those that point out that the Communist Party has endorsed Obama.

In other words, pretty god damn stupid.

Sorry to hurt your feelings but it's no secret that racists thrive in the Republican party. A party where a presidential nominee is congratulated for putting a minority Fox host "in his place" when he was questioned about racially tinged remarks he has made. Where the black presidential nominee was raked and maligned by his own white "supporters" for having an issue with the fact that one of his opponents maintained private property called "Niggerhead."

Now, today, this is the SAME party that has embraced the opportunity to smear the reputation of a dead black 17 year old kid because they'd rather believe that he had it coming. Even though we know the boy was doing NOTHING wrong on his way home, the fact that he was shot and killed doesn't disturb the bloggers of the Daily Caller, Bret Bart's site, Matt Drudge or Twitcy. They're digging up shit about school suspensions hoping to paint the kid as a future criminal WHEN THE DAMN SHOOTER IS THE ONE WITH THE FUCKING ARREST RECORD! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? They even questioned if he might have stolen the skittles and tea he was found with just because there was no report of a receipt being found on his corpse.

Trayvon deserved to stand his ground too! But if you don't believe black people are worth as much as non-blacks, you won't be so eager to point that out. That'll be a nuance skipped over while making the case that Trayvon had pictures where he looked older and menacing enough to shoot.

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/30/trayvons_stand_your_ground_rights/singleton/

To Trayvon, Zimmerman was a stranger.  The media has made much of the fact that there are no other witnesses to what happened except George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. That would mean that this child was being approached on an isolated street by a strange adult, with a gun, driving a big vehicle.

Zimmerman is a threat, and Trayvon is in the fight of his young life — perhaps in the belief that he is fighting for his life.

Ironically, I have not yet seen this version of the Trayvon Martin case portrayed in the media.  Standard media analysis of this incident begins with Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense and the applicability of the “stand your ground” law to Zimmerman.  Did Trayvon have no right to be afraid of this strange, large man, with a gun, who had been following him for some time, in a vehicle large enough to abduct him?

Not in the mind of some republicans.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/02/why_rush_limbaugh_and_the_right_turned_on_trayvon_martin/singleton/

Though toxic racial resentment is one of the most powerful driving forces behind contemporary right-wing populism, the conservative movement largely prefers to believe that racism was “solved” many years ago, most likely on the day Martin Luther King gave the “I Have a Dream” speech. The corollary to this belief is that accusations of racism are the new racism, and said accusations are invariably politically motivated.

As Elspeth Reeve pointed out in a sharp piece for the Atlantic Wire, the Trayvon Martin case posed something of a problem: No one was accusing anyone other than George Zimmerman of racism. There wasn’t an obvious political partisan advantage to raising awareness of Martin’s death. But some right-wingers find any acknowledgment of racism by liberals to be blood libel against all conservatives. And so … they began defending George Zimmerman’s honor, and smearing Trayvon Martin.

We've seen this attitude toward black people in the past and it's rooted in the ugly history of slavery. Yeah, slavery, sorry to bum you out. A time when blacks didn't count as real people. Chief Lee's handling of the case treated Trayvon Martin as if he wasn't a real person that deserved the full protection of the law.

If anything, his excuse harkened back to the tenets of fugitive slave law, when whites were told not to interfere with slave owners when they were in pursuit of their slaves.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/27/fugitive-slave-mentality/

The affinity to the Trayvon Martin incident is perhaps obvious. Chief Lee’s statement that Zimmerman was not arrested for lack of evidence sufficient to challenge his claim that he had not acted in self-defense (“We don’t have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense”) appears to imply that, absent such evidence, a white or otherwise non-black man (there is some controversy as to whether Zimmerman should be identified as white, or Hispanic, or both, although no one seems to be claiming he is black) claiming self-defense after killing a black man is simply to be taken at his word.  It is hard to resist the thought that race matters here, for who believes that, had an adult African American male killed a white teenager under similar circumstances, the police would have taken him at his word and so declined to arrest him?

In contrast to Judge McLean, Lee does not propose that, if a certain sort of declaration has been issued, interference with a white man’s attempt to seize a black man would be illegal.  Rather he argues that, if a certain sort of declaration has been issued — “I acted from self-defense”— a white or other non-black person who has admitted to killing a black person cannot legally be arrested if the police have no reason to dispute the truth of his declaration; or more technically, if in keeping with sections 776.032 and 776.013 of the Florida Statues the police have no “probable cause” to believe that Zimmerman did not “reasonably believe” that killing Martin was necessary “to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself.”  Though the two cases are different, we should notice that Lee, like McLean, intends to highlight considerations that legally constrain action (interference in one case, arrest in the other ) in the face of an assault on an African American. This should give us pause to worry that Florida’s Stand Your Ground legislation, in its application to cases where whites (or other non-blacks) kill blacks and then claim self-defense, could prove to be the functional equivalent of a fugitive slave law.

In short, it appears that whites (or other non-blacks) may hunt down blacks with immunity from arrest so long as they leave behind no clue that they were not acting to defend themselves; or, to echo Martin Delany, that Florida’s Stand Your Ground law threatens to render some citizens subject to the arbitrary wills of others.

This is what republicans are defending right now. THEY WANT TO TAKE ZIMMERMAN AT HIS FUCKING WORD, THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THAT WORD BE DAMNED. And that only works if you don't give a shit about the dead black kid he killed.

Oh and the shit gets deep, because wouldn't you know it, the protection of self defense is not applied equally.

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/30/trayvons_stand_your_ground_rights/singleton/

One might look to the 2006 Long Island, N.Y., case involving John Harris White for a possible answer.  In that case, an African-American father shoots a white teenager who is in his driveway.  The white teenager, Daniel Cicciaro, age 17, had come to John White’s home with a group of other white teenagers to attack John White’s 19-year-old son after an altercation that had taken place at a different location.

Although John White claimed that he had acted in self-defense when he pointed a gun at Cicciaro and, that the gun had accidentally discharged when Cicciaro tried to grab it, John White was arrested, tried and convicted of manslaughter and was sentenced to two to four years in prison. John White served five months in prison before his sentence was commuted by Gov. Patterson.

In that incident, John White’s family was under attack at their own home.  The “castle doctrine” on which the “stand your ground” law is based, provides the greatest protection for persons who are threatened at their homes, but John White was arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced to prison.

So instead of being a moronic troll, ask yourself, why are republicans so eager to take Zimmerman at his word, the man WITH the arrest record they seem to wish Trayvon had. The man who stalked an innocent 17 year old kid because he was suspiciously black.
 
I haven't followed this story at all, been reading the last couple of pages. Its just...wow. I can't believe this is happening.

This is not the first or last time this will happen.

This is just one of the few times that evidence was caught on tape so people could get into a frothy righteous rage.

If it weren't for the tapes, this would be quietly forgotten and swept under the rug, maybe mentioned as an example in a few debate threads, but otherwise just a footnote in the stream of violent injustice in this country.
 
You really think he went out wanting to kill the kid? He wanted to be a hero and catch the kid in a crime. I really don't see how he could ever be convicted of murder. It's not a defense of the guy, or trying to get him off the hook, I just don't see how they could prove that.

I don't know with they way they have tried to hide the events.. I am sure he has broken a bunch of other laws as well
 
Based off the early images that were released by the family - I too thought Trayvon Martin was a kid. Given his age at the time of the tragedy, I'd say that distinction is still accurate.

However, with new photos that have surfaced recently - I'd say physically he easily resembles an adult:

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I think he was 6"1 - 6"3? That's quite tall. Even for most adults.
Are you fucking kidding me?
 
Hey guys, forgive me for not backtracking, but I heard on bill maher that Martin was suspended for someone supposedly finding traces of pot in his backpack. I thought he was suspended for tardiness?




When was this announced?

That happened at school and of course has nothing to do with the case...
 
That happened at school and of course has nothing to do with the case...

Of course, either way kid didn't deserve what happened to him, and I hope Zimmerman gets what's coming to him.. My question was more out of curiosity. (I heard the thing about tardiness and thought to myself, what fucking school suspends kids for being late to class?)
 
Of course, either way kid didn't deserve what happened to him, and I hope Zimmerman gets what's coming to him.. My question was more out of curiosity. (I heard the thing about tardiness and thought to myself, what fucking school suspends kids for being late to class?)

It happens if you are late too many times in some schools... But yeah the evil 6'1" black giant apparently smoked weed
 
Of course, either way kid didn't deserve what happened to him, and I hope Zimmerman gets what's coming to him.. My question was more out of curiosity. (I heard the thing about tardiness and thought to myself, what fucking school suspends kids for being late to class?)

Happens all the time. At my HS you get suspended if you receive 3+ tardies in a nine week period. Also at my school, you get arrested if administrators find pot in any capacity on your person. I live in Florida for reference.
 
So... why hasn't Zimmerman been arrested yet?

Trayvon deserved to stand his ground too! But if you don't believe black people are worth as much as non-blacks, you won't be so eager to point that out. That'll be a nuance skipped over while making the case that Trayvon had pictures where he looked older and menacing enough to shoot.

Quoting for the racist hypocrites in this thread.
 
So we're no longer arguing that Zimmerman couldn't possibly have needed to use deadly force because there was no way a little kid could make someone 100 pounds heavier fear for their life?

If I recall correctly, the comments regarding the guy's size were a response to that argument. If you don't think that it's an argument that is relevant, blame the people making the original assertions, not the people who counter them.

Of course, it is a moot point, because it turns out that all those people were not in possession of the facts, namely that Zimmerman was only 20 lbs heavier (one of many CSI-GAF fails in this thread).

The majority of the PICTURES being posted in this thread have nothing to do with this argument vs trying to prove how "scary" Trayvon really was. Especially that last set of pictures I quoted, which only showed how thin/skinny Trayvon was.

Also an argument in defense of Zimmerman's "need" to use deadly force is ridiculous at this point. Ignoring the video of Zimmerman and the inspection of Trayvon's dead body, we know that Zimmerman followed Trayvon against request from the police not to follow him, that Trayvon was walking home after buying candy and a drink for his little brother, and that Zimmerman was carrying a firearm which was used to kill Trayvon. This confrontation that lead to Trayvon's death should have never happened in the first place, and how well Trayvon was able to defend himself or not doesn't make this issue any less important.
 
WHEN THE DAMN SHOOTER IS THE ONE WITH THE FUCKING ARREST RECORD! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? They even questioned if he might have stolen the skittles and tea he was found with just because there was no report of a receipt being found on his corpse.

Trayvon deserved to stand his ground too! But if you don't believe black people are worth as much as non-blacks, you won't be so eager to point that out. That'll be a nuance skipped over while making the case that Trayvon had pictures where he looked older and menacing enough to shoot.


This is what republicans are defending right now. THEY WANT TO TAKE ZIMMERMAN AT HIS FUCKING WORD, THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THAT WORD BE DAMNED. And that only works if you don't give a shit about the dead black kid he killed.

Oh and the shit gets deep, because wouldn't you know it, the protection of self defense is not applied equally.

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/30/trayvons_stand_your_ground_rights/singleton/



So instead of being a moronic troll, ask yourself, why are republicans so eager to take Zimmerman at his word, the man WITH the arrest record they seem to wish Trayvon had. The man who stalked an innocent 17 year old kid because he was suspiciously black.

You can always look at the worst offenders in a group - in this case, conservatives - and hold them up as an example of what you think the entire group is like. I mean, that's how racism works, right?

The same could easily be done of Democrats who've conducted themselves in a really heinous manner: tweeting the (incorrect) address of Zimmerman's parents, offering a bounty for Zimmerman's capture "dead or alive", etc. That doesn't mean that Democrats as a whole should be judged by the conduct of the New Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, or protesters turned looters.

Sure, there are Republicans who've obsessed about Martin's background and made big deals out of stupid, irrelevant stuff like the fact that he smoked weed or thought taking a photo of himself with fake gold teeth was cool. But the majority of what I've read from conservative sites - not just the most outrageous stuff selected by the liberal outlets you probably read - is about denouncing and debunking yellow journalism and the rush to judgment, defending the gun laws involved, and fighting the initial narrative that that was a cold-blooded, race-based murder that is symptomatic of a broader, more universal issue of whites (or "white Hispanics"?) killing blacks because of their race.

As far as standing your ground goes, I don't think you understand the legal principles involved. Following someone around for whatever reason is much different than physically assaulting them, telling them they are going to die, etc. I'm not saying that I believe Zimmerman's account to be true, only that it is possible that it is true, since no evidence revealed so far disproves it.

I'm not familiar with the last case you list, but I agree that blacks get the short end of the stick in the justice system. For example, I'm not sure if you are familiar with Cory Maye, but he was a libertarian cause celebre for quite a while, with Radley Balko, formerly of Reason and the Cato Institute, doing the heavy lifting in breaking and publicizing that miscarriage of justice.
 
It happens if you are late too many times in some schools... But yeah the evil 6'1" black giant apparently smoked weed

I was listening to Talk of the Nation the other day, specifically an interview with Donna Britt, and she put the whole weed and menacing picture thing into a perspective that I think some people are missing. (Maybe not people reading this thread, but I thought I'd share anyway.)

Donna Britt's brother was killed years ago in an eerily similar story.

Donna Britt said:
...the picture that was painted was so perfect, and he was so beautiful and a complete victim. And I knew that whatever story was going to be told to counter that, however accurate it was or wasn't, that it was going to have to shoot that perfection down. And sure enough, the picture emerged, you know, other photos of him looking more menacing, the leaks about him having been suspended from school, things that would make - that would take him off the pedestal upon which he had been put.

So that's just describing what's happened, the smear campaign. Here she explains how it ties into an undercurrent of racism in those pushing these pictures and using his suspension as some kind of evidence that he was in the wrong that night.

Donna Britt said:
... black people like white people and brown people and all people should be allowed their complexity.

Donna Britt said:
Racism suggests - you know? And for years, I tried to be perfect just so that I wouldn't fall into any stereotype, so I was the friendliest, kindest, most embracing. I remember when I came to work for the Post, one of the editors said, "Wow, her brother was killed and she's just so nice and so loving," and I was a little taken aback by that, about how I had put myself out there to be perfect to sort of tamp down and slap away any possibility of me being human, which is so sad and so - and shouldn't be necessary. It's insane. It's an insane reaction to the insanity that is racism.

Not sure if this will help anyone understand why the smear campaign against Martin is rooted in racism or if everyone knew that already. I know threads like this on NeoGAF can get kind of echo chambery, so I thought I'd provide a few thoughts about it from the outside.

Oh and specifically more on the idea that a white Hispanic is less likely to be racist.

Donna Britt said:
But I think it's really important to acknowledge that, you know, when it comes to [Racism], very few of us have clean hands, and that I think that black people as well as white have absorbed some of this, some of our behavior, some of the way that we talk about ourselves and sometimes the way we treat each other. Some - I think there's an element of this in black-on-black crime. I don't think that racism is a simple thing...
 
The same could easily be done of Democrats who've conducted themselves in a really heinous manner: tweeting the (incorrect) address of Zimmerman's parents, offering a bounty for Zimmerman's capture "dead or alive", etc. That doesn't mean that Democrats as a whole should be judged by the conduct of the New Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, or protesters turned looters.
I just want to confirm: the New Black Panthers are democrats, as are all of the people that looted?
 
You can always look at the worst offenders in a group - in this case, conservatives - and hold them up as an example of what you think the entire group is like. I mean, that's how racism works, right?

The same could easily be done of Democrats who've conducted themselves in a really heinous manner: tweeting the (incorrect) address of Zimmerman's parents, offering a bounty for Zimmerman's capture "dead or alive", etc. That doesn't mean that Democrats as a whole should be judged by the conduct of the New Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, or protesters turned looters.

Sure, there are Republicans who've obsessed about Martin's background and made big deals out of stupid, irrelevant stuff like the fact that he smoked weed or thought taking a photo of himself with fake gold teeth was cool. But the majority of what I've read from conservative sites - not just the most outrageous stuff selected by the liberal outlets you probably read - is about denouncing and debunking yellow journalism and the rush to judgment, defending the gun laws involved, and fighting the initial narrative that that was a cold-blooded, race-based murder that is symptomatic of a broader, more universal issue of whites (or "white Hispanics"?) killing blacks because of their race.

As far as standing your ground goes, I don't think you understand the legal principles involved. Following someone around for whatever reason is much different than physically assaulting them, telling them they are going to die, etc. I'm not saying that I believe Zimmerman's account to be true, only that it is possible that it is true, since no evidence revealed so far disproves it.

I'm not familiar with the last case you list, but I agree that blacks get the short end of the stick in the justice system. For example, I'm not sure if you are familiar with Cory Maye, but he was a libertarian cause celebre for quite a while, with Radley Balko, formerly of Reason and the Cato Institute, doing the heavy lifting in breaking and publicizing that miscarriage of justice.

False equivalencies........... You gotta be blind if you actually think that those are even close to being on the same level as the republican party.
 
You can always look at the worst offenders in a group - in this case, conservatives - and hold them up as an example of what you think the entire group is like. I mean, that's how racism works, right?

The same could easily be done of Democrats who've conducted themselves in a really heinous manner: tweeting the (incorrect) address of Zimmerman's parents, offering a bounty for Zimmerman's capture "dead or alive", etc. That doesn't mean that Democrats as a whole should be judged by the conduct of the New Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, or protesters turned looters.

Sure, there are Republicans who've obsessed about Martin's background and made big deals out of stupid, irrelevant stuff like the fact that he smoked weed or thought taking a photo of himself with fake gold teeth was cool. But the majority of what I've read from conservative sites - not just the most outrageous stuff selected by the liberal outlets you probably read - is about denouncing and debunking yellow journalism and the rush to judgment, defending the gun laws involved, and fighting the initial narrative that that was a cold-blooded, race-based murder that is symptomatic of a broader, more universal issue of whites (or "white Hispanics"?) killing blacks because of their race.

As far as standing your ground goes, I don't think you understand the legal principles involved. Following someone around for whatever reason is much different than physically assaulting them, telling them they are going to die, etc. I'm not saying that I believe Zimmerman's account to be true, only that it is possible that it is true, since no evidence revealed so far disproves it.

I'm not familiar with the last case you list, but I agree that blacks get the short end of the stick in the justice system. For example, I'm not sure if you are familiar with Cory Maye, but he was a libertarian cause celebre for quite a while, with Radley Balko, formerly of Reason and the Cato Institute, doing the heavy lifting in breaking and publicizing that miscarriage of justice.

As far as standing your ground goes, I don't think you understand the legal principles involved. Following someone around for whatever reason is much different than physically assaulting them, telling them they are going to die, etc. I'm not saying that I believe Zimmerman's account to be true, only that it is possible that it is true, since no evidence revealed so far disproves it.


At this point I think it would be a good idea for the mods to lock this thread up and update it themselves with new posts as the new events occur.
 
At this point I think it would be a good idea for the mods to lock this thread up and update it themselves with new posts as the new events occur.

At this point I think the Mods will decide what is best for the thread, thank you very much.
 
Has it even been confirmed that the suspect in the previous 8 robberies were Black? Even that seems like a load of horse shit coming from this guys mouth.

Even so, it's such a strange argument to make. In trying to explain that, they are essentially admitting that Zimmerman did racially profile Martin.

They really should just stop talking about it and wait for all this so-called "evidence" that clears Zimmerman to come out.
 
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