Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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Mudkips said:
Why would someone in a neighborhood watch program NOT have the right to carry a gun?
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They have the right to but they shouldn't since the point of the program is to WATCH and if necessary call the police. They are not supposed to be some armed auxiliary unit that police the neighborhood.
 
George Zimmerman's family lawyers establish website
On Wednesday, attorneys Cragg Sonner and Hal Uhrig sat down for a live interview on "Piers Morgan Tonight," and afterwards announced the upcoming launch of a website to disseminate information about the case, and to raise funds for George Zimmerman's legal defense and living expenses.

"We pray for both the Martin and Zimmerman families for what this incident has caused in suffering," said Uhrig. "We are confident that George Zimmerman, after being vindicated and exonerated, will continue to feel remorse, not for his justified actions but for the unintended consequences."
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http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/20...-family-lawyers-establish-website/?hpt=pm_mid
I am getting so annoyed right now.
 
Wow on Pierce, after the gun fan guy he transitioned it over to talking about Oprah's bf guy's story before the break. The blank look on his face was awkward.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
Zimmerman wasn't in a Neighborhood Watch program. And their director released a statement saying that actual Neighborhood Watch members aren't allowed to carry guns, iirc.
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So, as really just a citizen, was he legally allowed to carry around a firearm (concealed?) on his person and in his car?
 
demigod said:
Search fox news john trayvon.

Why would we be kidding? We're sick of your conspiracies and fake facts. We are sick of you trying to say Zimmerman is guilty yet you keep defending him. If you even think that Trayvon had a gun, Zimmerman should've done what the dispatcher told him and waited at the mailbox to prevent himself from getting hurt. But nope, Zimmerman didn't listen. He pursued the suspect and took the laws into his own hands.
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Do you typically have this much difficulty with reading something and completely misconstruing what someone said? I'm going to be nice, and just ask that you go back and re-read my post about Zimmerman's mindset. If you still think I'm defending him, read the subsequent replies about my post after that. If you still think I'm defending Zimmerman, go find a friend or co-worker, and ask them to read it with you, and maybe they can help explain for you that I was not defending Zimmerman.
 
You have been defending Zimmerman this entire thread...
 
can the Zimmerman's family and friends' opinions recently on the web and TV be used against Zimmerman in a court of law?

with you got his buddy Taaf whatever his name acknowledging racial profiling on CNN
 
http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/20...-family-lawyers-establish-website/?hpt=pm_mid

"We pray for both the Martin and Zimmerman families for what this incident has caused in suffering," said Uhrig. "We are confident that George Zimmerman, after being vindicated and exonerated, will continue to feel remorse, not for his justified actions but for the unintended consequences."
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I'd say he's justified in calling the non emergency police number. I wonder if they are claiming he was justified in chasing Martin. Although his story is that he stopped chasing him and was walking back to the SUV and got jumped. Assuming he could prove that, he'd then have to prove his life was in danger and he had to use deadly force. If he could prove all that, this statement would be true.

"There's no warrant for him to be arrested. So there's nobody to turn himself into. If and when there's a warrant, he will turn himself in. We're keeping track of him. Law enforcement is keeping track of him."
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At this point of course, the case has been completely muddied by the horrifically bad reporting and spin. Total circus. Any outcome will cause issues, but anything short of a guilty verdict regardless of evidence either way will be a complete mess.
 
George Zimmerman's father defends son in Trayvon Martin shooting

HANNITY: Yes. Why don't you walk us through because you obviously have spoken to your son. Tell us his side of this story on this night. Tell us what happened.

ZIMMERMAN: Well, it's customary on Sunday night for George to go and do grocery shopping. He had been texting his sister and told her that he was going to go and do grocery shopping. He got in his vehicle to leave the community. He saw somebody that did not live in the community walking behind some townhomes. That small gated community has had a lot of problems with burglaries and people coming into that community to commit crimes. So he thought that it was suspicious.

HANNITY: OK. So and I understand it was raining that night, and when you say that he saw Trayvon Martin walking behind townhomes. Are you saying that he was up-close to where the homes were? Is that why he was suspicious?

ZIMMERMAN: I -- I don't know exactly where Trayvon Martin was walking. I'm not real sure of that.
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HANNITY: So he was walking back to the car, is what you are saying. Trayvon confronted him. He reached for his cell phone and Trayvon, this is confirmed -- his nose was broken. Is it true he had lacerations and injuries to the back his head, sir?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir. He did.

HANNITY: OK, and his nose was broken that night, but he denied medical care although he was treated at the scene. Is that true too?

ZIMMERMAN: I believe the medics cleaned him up at the scene. Following that the police took him to the police station for several hours.
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HANNITY: All right, walk us through it. First of all, did he stop when the dispatcher said, "stop" and how did we get to the point where the shot was fired. Explain that part of that because that is obviously the key moment in this thing.

ZIMMERMAN: When the dispatcher said we know longer need you to do that, and George acknowledged OK. He no longer knew where Trayvon was. So he continued walking down the sidewalk directly in front of him to the next street to get an address. He got an address. He was walking back to his vehicle. Trayvon came from his left side, asked him did he have a problem. George said no. At that point Trayvon said well you do now. He punched him in the nose, knocked him to the concrete, and started beating him. George was there yelling for help for at least 40 seconds. It's clearly him on the tape. There's absolutely no doubt about who it is. A neighbor came, saw what was happening. Saw George being beaten. Heard George yelling for help and the neighbors said he was calling 911. That's what he went inside and did.

HANNITY: How do you know, sir, that that was your son on the 911 tape? I know there's been conflicting reports about this.

ZIMMERMAN: Well, when I first heard -- first, I heard the Martin family say that that was their son, and I thought, well, they are a grieving family and maybe the tapes were not too good. But then when I heard the actual recording, me, my family, friends, everybody knows absolutely that's George.
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http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hanni...er-defends-son-trayvon-martin-shooting?page=2
So all his life threatening injures was treated at the scene in a short amount of time.
 
BruiserBear said:
Do you typically have this much difficulty with reading something and completely misconstruing what someone said? I'm going to be nice, and just ask that you go back and re-read my post about Zimmerman's mindset. If you still think I'm defending him, read the subsequent replies about my post after that. If you still think I'm defending Zimmerman, go find a friend or co-worker, and ask them to read it with you, and maybe they can help explain for you that I was not defending Zimmerman.
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You are a funny little guy. I don't have to do what you're suggesting though because i'm sure there are people on here that agrees with me that you've been defending Zimmerman ALL THE TIME.
 
Zimmerman's attorney: Client 'legally entitled' to defend himself
Ulrig called Trayvon's death a tragedy but said his parents' grief is not helped by people traveling to Sanford for "little rallies and irresponsible speeches" that only raise racial strife.

Race had nothing to do with what happened, he said. Trayvon who made a "terrible decision" and "bad judgment" to smack and attack Zimmerman, he said.

"He was absolutely entitled to defend himself and that's why Trayvon Martin is dead—not because of racial profiling," Ulrig said during an interview along with Sonner on "Piers Morgan Tonight."

Sonner accused the media of destroying his client before all the facts are publicized.

"It's been open season on destroying this man's credibility," he said.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/os-george-zimmerman-attorney-hal-ulrig-20120405,0,3590824.story

Wow he really is a asshole.

Oh oh Trayvon made the bad decision of being black I guess.
 
Loudninja said:
George Zimmerman's father defends son in Trayvon Martin shooting






http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hanni...er-defends-son-trayvon-martin-shooting?page=2
So all his life threatening injures was treated at the scene in a short amount of time.
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"Trayvon's family thought it was him yelling for help and you know, they're grieving and lack judgment so that's why. But we all know for a fact it's George yelling for help because you know, we totally have to say so otherwise George is fucked. So it's definitely George. No question about it."
 
demigod said:
You are a funny little guy. I don't have to do what you're suggesting though because i'm sure there are people on here that agrees with me that you've been defending Zimmerman ALL THE TIME.
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Others agree with me, so that makes it so.

That form of logic has certainly proven to be sound throughout the history of the world, hasn't it.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
That's cool if he did. I'm sure the family who received the letter can confirm.

It has no bearing on the reality that he profiled the kid the night of the shooting, however, and is tangential at best.
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He didn't send a letter. His family allegedly just recently sent a letter "to the sister of a black homeless man, who was beaten by a Sanford officer's son." That letter claimed that "death threats [were] made by the black community" against Zimmerman since this incident. It also said in regards to the incident in which the Sanford PD officer punched the homeless man, "Do you know the individual that stepped up when no one else in the black community would? Do you know who waited for the church-goers to get out of church so that he could hand them fliers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? That person was George Zimmerman." The letter then tells the sister of the black homeless man punched by the Sanford PD: "You know as well as I do that there are many NAACP followers that recognize George from the Ware case....you need to call off the dogs. Period. Publicly and swiftly."

So from the looks of it (according to this report of it), it's basically a racist letter recently sent that asserts the sister of the homeless man is responsible for and has the power to stop death threats being made against Zimmerman by "the black community."
 
Loudninja said:
George Zimmerman's father defends son in Trayvon Martin shooting






http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hanni...er-defends-son-trayvon-martin-shooting?page=2
So all his life threatening injures was treated at the scene in a short amount of time.
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I like how he dodged the question about the broken nose.

BruiserBear said:
Others agree with me, so that makes it so.

That form of logic has certainly proven to be sound throughout the history of the world, hasn't it.
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Keep thinking that to yourself :)
 
Eh, im not mad at the dad. Its his son, we see it all the time with mothers of convicted murderers all the time. Just defending his own.

Guess he didn't hear the experts rule out zimmermans voice on the audio though, hes really sticking to his guns there.

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Yes, brotherbear has been defending zimmerman this entire thread.
 
empty vessel said:
He didn't send a letter. His family allegedly just recently sent a letter "to the sister of a black homeless man, who was beaten by a Sanford officer's son." That letter claimed that "death threats [were] made by the black community" against Zimmerman since this incident.
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Oh I couldn't make that part out from the article. It was kind of confusing.

They claim that George was giving away pamphlets about the case outside of churches, though.

Kind of hard to disprove.
 
empty vessel said:
He didn't send a letter. His family allegedly just recently sent a letter "to the sister of a black homeless man, who was beaten by a Sanford officer's son." That letter claimed that "death threats [were] made by the black community" against Zimmerman since this incident. It also said in regards to the incident in which the Sanford PD officer punched the homeless man, "Do you know the individual that stepped up when no one else in the black community would? Do you know who waited for the church-goers to get out of church so that he could hand them fliers in an attempt to organize the black community against this horrible miscarriage of justice? That person was George Zimmerman." The letter then tells the sister of the black homeless man punched by the Sanford PD: " "You know as well as I do that there are many NAACP followers that recognize George from the Ware case....you need to call off the dogs. Period. Publicly and swiftly."

So from the looks of it (according to this report of it), it's basically a racist letter recently sent that asserts the sister of the homeless man is responsible for and has the power to stop death threats being made against Zimmerman by "the black community."
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Oh. I tried to read the link, but didn't follow it very well. I guess that explains why.
 
HANNITY: So he was walking back to the car, is what you are saying. Trayvon confronted him. He reached for his cell phone and Trayvon, this is confirmed -- his nose was broken. Is it true he had lacerations and injuries to the back his head, sir?
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So is it true? Zimmerman was actually in a fight that night?
 
Kinyou said:
So is it true? Zimmerman was actually in a fight that night?
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Hannity - Never assume anything they say that is 'confirmed' on that show is correct, especially in a contentious case like this. It may very well be true, but certainly nothing 'confirmed' that has been publicly given other then the police testimony which we know at this point is also highly suspicious of the absolute truth.
 
gutter_trash said:
can the Zimmerman's family and friends' opinions recently on the web and TV be used against Zimmerman in a court of law?

with you got his buddy Taaf whatever his name acknowledging racial profiling on CNN
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I'm sure the prosecutor will call upon those people and question them to see if their stories match with what Zimmerman said or if they suddenly decide to change it.

bob_arctor said:
What are you even talking about? Disprove what?
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Hard to disprove George was there unless someone who was there recognizes or doesn't recognize him.

Kinyou said:
So is it true? Zimmerman was actually in a fight that night?
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Confirmed by...fox news. Show me pics or that broken nose DIDN"T happen.


And i'm sorry, i still do not believe Zimmerman nor his dad. If you're the captain of the neighborhood watch, you SHOULD know the streets in that community.
 
Devolution said:
Whole thing is just lies after lies, if he did have a broken nose it wouldn't even surprise me if it was self-inflicted.
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This. One lie is never just one lie, because you have to start telling more lies to support the first one and that's why it's so apparent that he's lying. He lied about only getting out of his car to just check the street signs. He's lied about having his head bashed into the concrete. He's lied about the broken nose. He's lied about yelling for help. He's lied about being attacked from behind by Trayvon (since we know Trayvon was on the phone with his girlfriend seconds before the first 911 call was made). And there are so many more. It really is unbelievable that he hasn't been arrested yet.
 
George was there yelling for help for at least 40 seconds. It's clearly him on the tape. There's absolutely no doubt about who it is. A neighbor came, saw what was happening. Saw George being beaten. Heard George yelling for help and the neighbors said he was calling 911. That's what he went inside and did.
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So presumably that neighbor is this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODGzTLA0JSg

He says (essentially) Trayvon was on top and Zimmerman was screaming for help.

Is that the same screaming tape that the experts said was definitely not Zimmerman?

The reporter also says the first officer on the scene characterized it as manslaughter, which I didnt know. Lethal force from a bloody nose and cut on your head that you walk away from? Sounds like manslaughter to me.
 
Dash27 said:
Is that the same screaming tape that the experts said was definitely not Zimmerman
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Yep. If they're gonna hinge their case on this, then it's case closed. No one that actually heard it that night said it sound like a grown man. They all said it sounded like a young man. Plus, two audio experts said it definitely wasn't Zimmerman. One audio expert even put his 28 year reputation on the line.
 
Expert: Zimmerman whispered 'punks' before shooting Trayvon Martin
A forensic audio expert who analyzed 911 recordings disagrees with speculation that George Zimmerman uttered a racial slur moments before shooting Trayvon Martin to death.

What the neighborhood watch volunteer whispered as he followed the teen leading up to the deadly confrontation could weigh into the decision about charges against Zimmerman.

The garbled word that raised controversy was "punks," not "coons," said Tom Owen, chairman emeritus of the American Board of Recorded Evidence.

When Owen used a computer application to remove cell phone interference, the word became clearer, he said. After discussions with linguists, he became convinced that Zimmerman said "punks," he said.

He provided CNN with a copy of the processed audio.

Zimmerman told his lawyers that he said "These f---ing punks always get away," his lawyers told CNN on Thursday.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/05/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html
 
Loudninja said:
Huh?You sure you are not talking about the 911 tape with the yelling?
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The two 'experts' from the 911 tape came on Lawrence O'Donnell's show and he asked the two what they thought Zimmerman said on that tape. He didn't lead them but merely asked what they believed they heard at that key moment (He didn't say either of the two words up for contention) but only 1 of them said he thought it was 'coons' the other didn't study it and decided to give no comment.
 
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