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[thezerofire]

This is true, but not how the Halo games are generally revealed or hyped before hand. They are presented as being of the same graphic quality as the linear games you mentioned, which does not turn out to be the case.
Of course if they could do it, this would be jaw dropping. But unless this is for the 720, they have no chance of doing so but people will still believe it and argue about it which annoys a lot of people (like me). You will either get people with poor expectations or haters, not a great mix.

Anyway, has the back been revealed? Hopefully that is more interesting.

The cortana part is the back

 

[GarthVaderUK]

can some1 please link the screenshots? Have they shown them yet?

No, they haven't been revealed yet.

 

[Overdoziz]

Whoever suggested ADS is not a person I like very much because of that opinion.

 

[Uno Venova]

So if I post ignorant troll-type posts in the next Uncharted reveal thread, are you going to blindly defend me too?

Blindly? I've seen from the jump the ridiculous reactions people have to others not liking what they like, nothing blind about it.

 

[enzo_gt]

HYPE

 

[Huff]

Halo 1 was a graphical standout for years and Halo 2 was one of the best looking console games when it launched (graphical bugs aside). This really isn't the truth.

The main problem or difference between last gen to this gen is the xbox was ~2x the power of the ps2, so they could afford the more expansive play areas of Halo while still looking better. However this generation, the ps3 and 360 are basically a wash in terms of performance, so games with larger play areas are automatically set to a disadvantage against those with more linear designs.

Wasn't the joke "the next Halo might look good again now that Bungi left" going around when 343 was first formed?

Kinda tells you what people thought of Halo graphically

 

[walking fiend]

No, they haven't been revealed yet.

thx; I hope by jaw dropping he wasn't referring to the covers I was honestly expecting something suprising...

 

[GarthVaderUK]

thx; I hope by jaw dropping he wasn't referring to the covers I was honestly expecting something suprising...

He was referring to the screenshots.

 

[FateBreaker]

Why are people saying this wasn't surprising? Who ever said this cover would be? The only thing we got was jaw-dropping, unless I missed something.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

Blindly? I've seen from the jump the ridiculous reactions people have to others not liking what they like, nothing blind about it.

I have zero problem with people disliking Halo. My post wasn't in defence of Halo, it was against the sentiment of posts like the one I sarcastically mocked. I could and would have said similar things had they been talking about Portal 3, for example. Or GTAV, which suitably dropped my jaw. Or Bioshock Infinite. It's the reasoning that bothers me, not the fact that it's about Halo.

 

[KageMaru]

Blindly? I've seen from the jump the ridiculous reactions people have to others not liking what they like, nothing blind about it.

You can rationalize it however way you like, but the fact that some of these people fail even basic reading comprehension just to troll deserve to be singled out.

Keep in mind I'm not talking about the more rational members who may have posted something along the lines of "well that sucks, I was hoping for crysis 3". I have no problem with different opinions and preferences, but that's hardly the case with some members in this thread.

Wasn't the joke "the next Halo might look good again now that Bungi left" going around when 343 was first formed?

Kinda tells you what people thought of Halo graphically

What does that have anything to do with me disputing your claim that halo has never been a graphically standout series? I explained how it was on the OG Xbox and why that perception may have changed this Gen.

 

[SykoTech]

While I stopped getting hype to GI reveals a while ago (and for good reason), I'm kinda happy it was Halo 4. Quite the entertaining thread here between the balant trolls and weepy fans.

 

[Uno Venova]

You can rationalize it however way you like, but the fact that some of these people fail even basic reading comprehension just to troll deserve to be singled out.

Keep in mind I'm not talking about the more rational members who may have posted something along the lines of "well that sucks, I was hoping for crysis 3". I have no problem with different opinions and preferences, but that's hardly the case with some members in this thread.

What does that have anything to do with me disputing your claim that halo has never been a graphically standout series? I explained how it was on the OG Xbox and why that perception may have changed this Gen.

So what is trolling exactly, is it saying your tired of Halo and hoping for something new, saying this reveal didn't meet the hype because this was the theme yet they're being called haters, salty whatever, it's like you're suggestion there's a legion of people trolling the game, but that's not true.

Or maybe it's just a few standouts, like 3 people maybe, if so I'm surprised they weren't called out.

 

[BigTnaples]

I disagree, and I even kind of liked that game. It was extremely mediocre looking at best, but like Goldmund said that's usually not the focus of a Halo game. So I wish the gaming media would cut their usual bullshit out.

Halo CE blew my fuckin mind when I first played it on xbox..

Halo 2 was a stunner as well aside from the removal of detail textures.

Halo 3 while not immediately giving off a wow factor certainly did a lot of impressive technical feats for its time.

Halo Reach looks stunning, with great texture work, physics, lighting, and particle effects.

Hoping Halo 4 looks awesome as well, although at this point, new games are at the mercy of ages old hardware.

 

[TEH-CJ]

For those who think Reach is nothing special graphically, please name 10 console FPS that look dramatically better. Yes, I'm asking for a list war for the sake of clarity.

Your kidding bra?

Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Crysis 2
Resistance 3
Bf3

Just to name a few. Reach is a good game, but graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

 

[Natiko]

So when will this be available?

 

[BigTnaples]

Your kidding bra?

Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Crysis 2
Resistance 3
Bf3

Just to name a few. Reach is a good game, but graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

You can't be serious.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

Completely ridiculous.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Your kidding bra?

Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Crysis 2
Resistance 3
Bf3

Just to name a few. Reach is a good game, but graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

You're giving people named CJ a bad name.

 

[Tajin]

Hello 4: The Adventures of Mister Chef

 

[Franklinator]

I agree with him that all those games (except Resistance) look better than Reach. But in no way does Reach look bad.

 

[enzo_gt]

You can't be serious.

Gotta fight hyperbole with hyperbole.

 

[EagleEyes]

Your kidding bra?

Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Crysis 2
Resistance 3
Bf3

Just to name a few. Reach is a good game, but graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

I see you've joined the loco crowd, welcome. The more the merrier for my entertainment.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

I have a really hard time believing that Halo 4 is going to be jaw-dropping.

Games like Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Forza 4/GT5, Lords of Shadow; those, those are jaw-dropping. Halo 3, ODST, and Reach were serviceable and best. Poor textures, wonky sub-30fps and sub-720p performance, and jaggies everywhere. Sure, it's more open-world than other games; but that doesn't mean it gets to boost it's ego to be a "good looking game."

That said, this is a new developer that's had lots of time and lots of money to build Halo 4. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

 

[MoonLightWave]

So basically our jaws can no longer be dropped on current-gen systems?

Yes, is it so hard to understand? We have been in this gen for a while now, you know.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

I see you've joined the loco crowd, welcome. The more the merrier for my entertainment.

Nah, he's right. I have ~4 copies of Halo 1/Halo 2, I have all the others - that I bought Day One, and have the LEs of 3 and Reach. I love Halo; or at least, used to really love Halo. It does shooters on console better than most games. From a Gameplay standpoint, it's one of the best. But graphically? It doesn't hold a candle to Killzone 3. I HATE Killzone 3 (I own it - again, since Day One); but graphically, it's a jaw-dropper.

And I'm only comparing console games. Obviously, bring in something like BF3 at 1200p/60fps on max settings, and it's even more meh. But that's not fair, I admit.

 

[FateBreaker]

Your kidding bra?

Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Crysis 2
Resistance 3
Bf3

Just to name a few. Reach is a good game, but graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

Let's not include something 360-exclusive like Gears of War 3, either! That would be too much.

Yes, is it so hard to understand? We have been in this gen for a while now , you know.
The leap has to be pretty big for a jaw dropping.

Yes, it's very hard to understand. My jaw dropped at the sight of Journey, due to its incredible visuals blended in the artistic design. My jaw dropped in Gears of War 3 because some of the action sequences are just incredible (I'm looking at you, Act III). My jaw dropped at Forza 4 at least once.

 

[Phonomezer]

Your kidding bra?

Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Crysis 2
Resistance 3
Bf3

Just to name a few. Reach is a good game, but graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

What a hideous opinion.

 

[Uno Venova]

Let's not include something 360-exclusive like Gears of War 3, either! That would be too much.

That's a TPS. i'll make it clear I don't share his sentiments though.

 

[Phoenix_Apollo]

Not as cool as some of the last cover stories, but this is okay.

 

[OrangeOak]

I have a really hard time believing that Halo 4 is going to be jaw-dropping.

Games like Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Forza 4/GT5, Lords of Shadow; those, those are jaw-dropping. Halo 3, ODST, and Reach were serviceable and best. Poor textures, wonky sub-30fps and sub-720p performance, and jaggies everywhere. Sure, it's more open-world than other games; but that doesn't mean it gets to boost it's ego to be a "good looking game."

That said, this is a new developer that's had lots of time and lots of money to build Halo 4. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

Really ?
Texture work in Reach is really great.Great detail and good resolution for consoles.
Reach is really impressive technicaly especially for a game with big scale.

 

[LCfiner]

I know this is a dumb complaint but I hate seeing AI constructs or robots in science fiction with belly buttons.

 

[DarkChild]

Your kidding bra?

Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Crysis 2
Resistance 3
Bf3

Just to name a few. Reach is a good game, but graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

Son...No.

 

[HocusPocus]

Great cover. Same usual people shitting up a Halo thread. Damn Cortona! I think I love you! LoL

 

[Tashi]

Your kidding bra?

Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Crysis 2
Resistance 3
Bf3

Just to name a few. Reach is a good game, but graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

I like this guy

 

[BigTnaples]

Really ?
Texture work in Reach is really great.Great detail and good resolution for consoles.
Reach is really impressive technicaly especially for a game with pretty big scale scale.

Indeed, all hHlo games aside from Halo 2 (which lacked detail textures because of limitations of the xbox) have had fantastic textures.

Even Halo CE still has textures that hold up to this day. The details in that game blew me away at launch.

Being able to count the ammo and see the functioning compass on another Marines assault rifle was and still is a site to behold.

Seeing individual scratches on Marines weapons, or reading ammo boxes was commonplace in CE, as was staring at random walls, plants, rocks, etc.

Great textures.

 

[Agent Ironside]

Your kidding bra?

Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Crysis 2
Resistance 3
Bf3

Just to name a few. Reach is a good game, but graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

Everything on that list seems spot on, I haven't played R3 so I can't speak for it, I'll agree with the rest though. I don't see whats so crazy about this list.

I think some people are playing with their Halo rose tented glasses on.

As a game, I enjoyed Reach a lot more than most on that list though.

 

[LunaticHigh]

Reach cannot even stand next to Killzone 2/3 to me.. and I would play reach over them any day.

That being said, Reach is a far better game and I think it looks better aesthetically.

Technically speaking though, in my opinion it cannot compete.

 

[BigTnaples]

Everything on that list seems spot on, I haven't played R3 so I can't speak for it, I'll agree with the rest though. I don't see whats so crazy about this list.

I think some people are playing with their Halo rose tented glasses on.

No one is saying most of those games are not impressive/more impressive than Halo graphically.

He was responding to a post that said list 10 games that have better graphics, then proceeded to name 5 (2 of which are the same engine/series.) Then stated that because Killzone 3 looks better, it makes Reach look like a last gen game.

That is ridiculous.

Not to mention his tone was very immature and childlike...

 

[DarkChild]

Halo Reach generally doesn't look too good. Some maps actually look worse than MW3, but whats really bugging me about Halo games is the fact that interiors look like crap. Bungie graphics programmers weren't all that good to be fair. 343i is going to blow us away though, I can feel it.

 

[Overdoziz]

I feel like half the people in this thread are new to game journalism.

 

[QisTopTier]

haven't played R3 so I can't speak for it, I'll agree with the rest though.

http://youtu.be/RHUMxYRKlsA

 

[Tashi]

Graphics competition talk makes me wanna stab my fucking eye balls.

 

[dragonelite]

Your kidding bra?

Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Crysis 2
Resistance 3
Bf3

Just to name a few. Reach is a good game, but graphicly its rubbish.

Putting it next to killzone 3 lirerraly makes it look like a sub hd last gen game

Says the person listing Resistance 3 as a game that is graphically more impressive.
You do know that resistance 3 has a resolution of 960x704 if im not mistaken.

You're probably right with Crysis 2(360),Killzone 3 and BF3 which i haven't played on console. But i know dice put a lot of efffort into the console with a exotic tiled deferred rendering engine.

So yeah Halo:Reach i my opinion deserve to be in the graphical intense FPS games top 5.
Hey i could use Halo:reach full res alpha buffer as a good excuse. Most games only use 1/4 or 1/6 res for the alpha buffer. I imaging dropping to half,quarter,sixth resolution will give them more performance to improve several more aspects of the graphics.

 

[QisTopTier]

Graphics competition talk makes me wanna stab my fucking eye balls.

Dont you know graphics mean more than gameplay

 

[Striker]

Halo Reach generally doesn't look too good. Some maps actually look worse than MW3, but whats really bugging me about Halo games is the fact that interiors look like crap. Bungie graphics programmers weren't all that good to be fair. 343i is going to blow us away though, I can feel it.

The maps in Reach look great, aside from Forge which doesn't cast any shadows or have proper lighting. What maps in particular do you think look bad (non-Forge)?

 

[DarkChild]

http://youtu.be/RHUMxYRKlsA

Its incredible how guys like GG/SM and ND can produce such good looking games on PS3 and Insomniac puts out games that look like crap. I wonder what happened to them this gen?

 

[QisTopTier]

Its incredible how guys like GG/SM and ND can produce such good looking games on PS3 and Insomniac puts out games that look like crap. I wonder what happened to them this gen?

I think their ratchet games besides all4one look amazing

 

[Muffdraul]

Graphics competition talk makes me wanna stab my fucking eye balls.

Stabbing *their* eyeballs would help more.

 

[LunaticHigh]

Says the person listing Resistance 3 as a game that is graphically more impressive.
You do know that resistance 3 has a resolution of 960x704 if im not mistaken.

You're probably right with Crysis 2(360),Killzone 3 and BF3 which i haven't played on console. But i know dice put a lot of efffort into the console with a exotic tiled deferred rendering engine.

So yeah Halo:Reach i my opinion deserve to be in the graphical intense FPS games top 5.
Hey i could use Halo:reach full res alpha buffer as a good excuse. Most games only use 1/4 or 1/6 res for the alpha buffer. I imaging dropping to half,quarter,sixth resolution will give them more performance to improve several more aspects of the graphics.

KZ2 arguably looks better than KZ3, and it definitely looks better than Crysis 2.