evil solrac v3.0
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why in the fuck are people in the suburbs of Detroit doing this-- never mind.
Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest
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JCreasy
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WTH!
BREAKING: George Zimmerman Launches Website, Features Vandalized Black Cultural Center
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...te-features-vandalized-black-cultural-center/
BREAKING: George Zimmerman Launches Website, Features Vandalized Black Cultural Center
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...te-features-vandalized-black-cultural-center/
The Grand Jury is an voluntary extra hoop for a prosecutor to jump through. She's only required to use one if she were to be charging Zimmerman with First Degree Murder, which is clearly not gong to happen in this case. Because of this, there's no real reason for her to use one unless she wanted to cover her own ass.
You can't make this shit up.
MightyHealthy
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CrazyDogg77
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I like how the background on Zimmerman's website is just an American flag
Dreams-Visions
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God-tier trolling.
Bloody fucking hell. Is this guy serious?
Alligatorjandro
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Is that stuff in those 2 links real?It can't be right?
Dreams-Visions
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Big Baybee
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Ahahaha! This dude.....
Count Dookkake
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It's afraid!
He isn't guilty.
Dreams-Visions
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I don't know if there has been a story that has ever had me perpetually angry as this story does.
Every day, someone does something related to this story to make me question humanity in some way. I don't leave disappointed.
Every day, someone does something related to this story to make me question humanity in some way. I don't leave disappointed.
soundscream
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Que?
Alligatorjandro
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That man is a damn fool.
elrechazado
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To be "guilty", he'd have to be charged with something first you know.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
That is one terribly poorly made website. I mean, I haven seen a site that bad since the mid-90's.
SerArthurDayne
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Not guilty meaning that guilt is a legal judgment. You are found guilty or not guilty by a court of law. You are also not found innocent, even if acquitted. He hasn't been found guilty yet.
Again, technically and legally he killed Trayvon, but he didn't murder him until found guilty of murder.
LOL at Zimmerman. I wonder if his supporters like him enough to actually give him money. I'm sure somebody will hack the account and at least let us know how much he pulls in.
And no grand jury to me reads as if he will definitely be charged. Just not murder 1. If the prosecutor didn't want to charge she would send it to the grand jury so it is out of her hands. To not go to the grand jury and not charge would be ... unintelligent.
Again, technically and legally he killed Trayvon, but he didn't murder him until found guilty of murder.
LOL at Zimmerman. I wonder if his supporters like him enough to actually give him money. I'm sure somebody will hack the account and at least let us know how much he pulls in.
And no grand jury to me reads as if he will definitely be charged. Just not murder 1. If the prosecutor didn't want to charge she would send it to the grand jury so it is out of her hands. To not go to the grand jury and not charge would be ... unintelligent.
Last time I checked someone isn't guilty until it is proven. A lot of delusional people in this thread forgot that.
Did he do it for the reasons everyone thinks? Probably. However everyone here, everyone, knows less then the people investigating it. So until he is proven guilty, he is innocent.
Did he do it for the reasons everyone thinks? Probably. However everyone here, everyone, knows less then the people investigating it. So until he is proven guilty, he is innocent.
Dreams-Visions
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where's the GAFer with the Pony avatar who was going to donate? The time is now!!!
The more I hear about what transpired, the less certain I am as to what should be done. The media may have blood on their hands when the dust settles here.
I don't think some douchebag--with a criminal record no less--should be allowed to confront whomever he chooses and demand a damn thing, BUT the fact that race didn't even come up until the 9/11 operator asked for a description of the suspect makes a hate crime (which I disagree with anyhow) way, way less obvious. The editing and faux-experts that went into framing this as a hate crime is staggering in its outright dishonesty and manipulation...from rushed descriptions of Zimmerman as white (ironic...) to photos of the dead guy when he was 12 and innocent looking, to racial slurs on tape that likely never happened, to racial descriptions that never came up until he was asked point-blank (and even here, Zimmerman says he only THINKS the guy may be black)...just wow. Fucking unbelievable what they did and how fast a lynch mob mentality took over (hits on the guy...wtf?).
From what I see now, this case should never have been about race. It should have been about an armed douchebag confronting people he thought looked suspicious, who weren't even trespassing on private property, to him being assaulted (probably deservedly so), to a weapon being pulled and used to lethal effect.
I don't think some douchebag--with a criminal record no less--should be allowed to confront whomever he chooses and demand a damn thing, BUT the fact that race didn't even come up until the 9/11 operator asked for a description of the suspect makes a hate crime (which I disagree with anyhow) way, way less obvious. The editing and faux-experts that went into framing this as a hate crime is staggering in its outright dishonesty and manipulation...from rushed descriptions of Zimmerman as white (ironic...) to photos of the dead guy when he was 12 and innocent looking, to racial slurs on tape that likely never happened, to racial descriptions that never came up until he was asked point-blank (and even here, Zimmerman says he only THINKS the guy may be black)...just wow. Fucking unbelievable what they did and how fast a lynch mob mentality took over (hits on the guy...wtf?).
From what I see now, this case should never have been about race. It should have been about an armed douchebag confronting people he thought looked suspicious, who weren't even trespassing on private property, to him being assaulted (probably deservedly so), to a weapon being pulled and used to lethal effect.
Fixed that for you.
SerArthurDayne
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I will disagree for the reasons I stated above. If we are being technical in one aspect we should be technical in another. He can be acquitted by a court of law and found not guilty, but he definitely isn't "innocent". He definitely killed the kid. He can plead innocence, certainly, of whatever charge they may bring, but that doesn't make him "innocent."
lol. But in a seriousness this sad event has been dragged far too long. I just hope that all law enforcement agencies involved strictly use and follow the evidence.
soundscream
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World English Dictionary
guilty (ˈɡɪltɪ
adj , guiltier , guiltiest
1. responsible for an offence or misdeed
2. law having committed an offence or adjudged to have done so: the accused was found guilty
3. law plead guilty (of a person charged with an offence) to admit responsibility; confess
4. of, showing, or characterized by guilt: a guilty smile ; guilty pleasures
You can be guilty without being tried or convicted in court.
NeoGAF isn't a court of law. We can safely presume Zimmerman's guilt--given the evidence--and not violate a basic tenet of criminal justice.
Presumed innocent. Someone who is guilty is guilty before they are convicted, but the judicial system presumes their innocence until then. Everyone else (including the police tbh) is free to presume anything else about them, or not.
The initial reactions to racial factors have largely been confirmed, even though at first they were based only on the most superficial factors. You can't call it a win for speculation because nothing is or should be, but the racial charges have definitely panned out.
Dreams-Visions
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but he was so busy trying to correct us to make himself feel important and smart! what now?
Explain. Because the only time race comes up on tape is during the 9-11 call, and even here Zimmerman isn't positive he's giving the right description.
The initial reaction was "black kid killed by white guy and the cops don't care." Nobody knew about the other problems with the Sanford PD then, and that's confirmed.
When the story was still "tea and skittles" the implication was that a wealthy community would see any black person as a threat. Nobody knew about Zimmerman's other 911 calls, exclusively about black people, or the burglary that caused his obsession, all later confirmed.
JCreasy
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He confessed to the shooting.
The only question is whether it was in self defense.
All evidence has pointed to "no".
I think a better question would be why would we expect him to know that photo was of a defaced black community center, but it's way too late for me to step in front of anything coming his way.
Dreams-Visions
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yes.
The cops brought him in handcuffed. They let him go after interviewing him...an interview in which we have no idea what was said or how his comments were placed into the context of the crime scene. We have NOTHING to go by at this point.
And the cops letting him go has nothing to do with what took place on that street.
Dreams-Visions
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sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyit.
Dude is potentially up on a murder charge. Whether the police let him go too soon, took him out to dinner, or gave him a high-five off camera is irrelevant as to whether he's guilty of murder or not in that moment.
What we do have to go by are witness accounts broken by the media, from witnesses who say the police never took their accounts, as well as strangely worded statements by the initial investigators regarding their interpretation of probable cause.
That's why the police conduct is a separate issue from Zimmerman's conduct. Two issues. Separate issues, both potentially race-related.
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