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NHL '12 Playoffs |OT| "The Cup is our destiny this year."

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You're missing the point of fighting's place in hockey to begin with. If Boyle wants to punch a smaller guy a few times, he can, but he's going to pay for it. If he doesn't want to answer the bell, that's his choice, but the league's not going to jump in and save him.
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Err, Carkner started punching him in the face without any forewarning. You don't do that. Very, very different.
 
endresults said:
You're missing the point of fighting's place in hockey to begin with. If Boyle wants to punch a smaller guy a few times, he can, but he's going to pay for it. If he doesn't want to answer the bell, that's his choice, but the league's not going to jump in and save him.
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I'd rather not get into a discussion about fighting in the game, because that's a big can of worms, but it has no place in the game in my opinion.

It's hilarious that you can justify punching a guy a few times in the head because he'll have to pay for it. It's a load of nonsense.

edit: the whole idea of goons being in the game is that they can cause chaos, get a game misconduct, and it doesn't matter because all they were needed to do was to cause some chaos and not be in the rest of the game. gtfo. =/
 
So dang close to a perfect night on the teams I wanted to win, ugh.

Well hopefully Detroit shows up and has a good 60 minute win tomorrow to take the series lead please, that would make up for the Nordiques blowing this game.
 
Carkner got what he deserved: a game misconduct and a 5 minute penalty to his team which could have severely effected the outcome of the game. Haglin's 'bow to the head caused an injury (to an important player). That's the difference.
 
Ra\/en said:
good job Chicago. Still all about crushing the dreams of wanna-be teams.

I hate how Chicago pulls rainbows out of their arse on a regular basis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmTK_eSOCN4
I know.. he's a hawks fan.
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ShaneB said:
I'd rather not get into a discussion about fighting in the game, because that's a big can of worms, but it has no place in the game in my opinion.

It's hilarious that you can justify punching a guy a few times in the head because he'll have to pay for it. It's a load of nonsense.

edit: the whole idea of goons being in the game is that they can cause chaos, get a game misconduct, and it doesn't matter because all they were needed to do was to cause some chaos and not be in the rest of the game. gtfo. =/
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I'm not justifying Boyle punching anybody in the head. If he didn't take liberties, there wouldn't have been a problem today.

I'm justifying Carkner's actions. Without Carkners, you don't have Karlssons or Alfredssons on your team because they're not going to make it through the regular season because chumps like Boyle are going to crush them. Those are the real goons, in my opinion.

I think you're way off characterizing enforcers as chaotic-evils on skates, driven only by bloodlust and the pained screams of whoever they're playing that night. If there weren't any Boyles in hockey, there wouldn't be any Carkners.
 
endresults said:
I'm not justifying Boyle punching anybody in the head. If he didn't take liberties, there wouldn't have been a problem today.

I'm justifying Carkner's actions. Without Carkners, you don't have Karlssons or Alfredssons on your team because they're not going to make it through the regular season because chumps like Boyle are going to crush them. Those are the real goons, in my opinion.

I think you're way off characterizing enforcers as chaotic-evils on skates, driven only by bloodlust and the pained screams of whoever they're playing that night. If there weren't any Boyles in hockey, there wouldn't be any Carkners.
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Just focusing on the bolded for now because it's late and I'm falling asleep, but it's statements like this that depresses me. It's a catch 22, the league is so god damn awful at discipline that we've come to accept the fact that it's the players are the ones that need to dish out the punishment if you do something bad to their team. Then it gets out of hand, and the league has to finally step in, and never does anything serious anyway. So what's the point?

The whole point is trying to clean up the game, but everyone is stuck in this mentality that fighting belongs in the game because it helps police the players and adds this sort of payback. Well fuck that, the problem isn't the need for payback, it's the problem that there's no severe punishments to begin with. It's the root cause that I'm more concerned with.

Bah! I'm rambling. Maybe none of this makes any sense.
 
Buba Big Guns said:
Carkner got what he deserved: a game misconduct and a 5 minute penalty to his team which could have severely effected the outcome of the game. Haglin's 'bow to the head caused an injury (to an important player). That's the difference.
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I don't see why it should be important that the injury happened to a star player. Starfucking should not be a part of how discipline is handled in any athletic league. That the player's "importance" is even mentioned in the discussion is fucking disgraceful and embarrassing for the NHL.

(Also, Hagelin having a hearing isn't the problem. He should face potential discipline. A blow to the head is a blow to the head. That said, Carkner REPEATEDLY hit a guy in the head, from behind while defenseless, with malicious intent and the blessing of his coaching staff and entire team. Seems just a BIT more heinous to me. What the Red Wings did to get revenge last night was vaguely acceptable and justified within the generally accepted bounds of conduct in hockey. At least that was fair and upfront. What the Senators did to get revenge tonight was clearly not.)
 
MetatronM said:
I don't see why it should be important that the injury happened to a star player. Starfucking should not be a part of how discipline is handled in any athletic league. That the player's "importance" is even mentioned in the discussion is fucking disgraceful and embarrassing for the NHL.

(Also, Hagelin having a hearing isn't the problem. He should face potential discipline. A blow to the head is a blow to the head. That said, Carkner REPEATEDLY hit a guy in the head, from behind while defenseless, with malicious intent and the blessing of his coaching staff and entire team. Seems just a BIT more heinous to me. What the Red Wings did to get revenge last night was vaguely acceptable and justified within the generally accepted bounds of conduct in hockey. At least that was fair and upfront. What the Senators did to get revenge tonight was clearly not.)
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I definitely agree on the first part. But it is what it is and we all know the NHL's track record.

I can see where you're coming from in terms of Carkner, but I think he got his deserved punishment and thats that. What the hell was the ref doing just standing there doing nothing? I dont even care if Hagelin gets suspended or not, I just hope Alfie can play. The NHL needs to get its shit together and start setting some clear boundaries.
 
So everyone else agrees that Shaw's hit was unintentional, and with no prior history/Smith being fine, and because he got thrown out, there will/should be no supplemental discipline, right...?


...Guys?
 
wsoxfan1214 said:
So everyone else agrees that Shaw's hit was unintentional, and with no prior history/Smith being fine, and because he got thrown out, there will/should be no supplemental discipline, right...?


...Guys?
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It was borderline.
I wouldn't suspend him. Perhaps a fine*


*obviously, the fine itself is meaningless, but it does give the player prior record for the next time he gets in trouble.
 
wsoxfan1214 said:
So everyone else agrees that Shaw's hit was unintentional, and with no prior history/Smith being fine, and because he got thrown out, there will/should be no supplemental discipline, right...?


...Guys?
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I can't see him getting anything more, other than whatever automatic fines come with the game misconduct. It was an avoidable hit, but I don't think it was either deliberate or malicious. Just a wacky thing that happened.
 
Good picture of a perfect example of goaltender interference:

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And Thomas being Thomas:

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Penalty Summary at the end of STL-SJ Game 2:

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Wasn't able to watch a lot of hockey today. Only managed to see the last half of the Rangers/Sens game. So when did they decide to stop calling anything?
 
As a hockey fan, I really love fighting in the game.

As a reasonable adult who wants the NHL to do well, though, the massive amount of fighting and the number of cheapshots in the playoffs alone this year is detrimental to the public perception of the league. The discipline has been an absolute joke this year, especially with the league talking about increasing player safety and reducing head injuries.
 
endresults said:
You're missing the point of fighting's place in hockey to begin with. If Boyle wants to punch a smaller guy a few times, he can, but he's going to pay for it. If he doesn't want to answer the bell, that's his choice, but the league's not going to jump in and save him.
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Thank you someone gets it.

If John Tortellini thinks he can order his players to run our best defenseman all series well there is going to be retribution. Carkner challenged him, Boyle said no. At least Carkner picked on someone his size.

I don't really like it but I know the refs and the NHL will do nothing(Bruins got away with it all SCF) gotta take matters into your own hands.
 
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