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Honestly, speaking for myself if I found the guy who killed my mother and had the power to end him...well...let me just say...it is war...

Just saying.

Being a kids show their are obvious resolutions that are to be expected but from a realistic point of view...Id probably surrender to emotion.
 
If you think about it, they've kinda lowered the stakes considerably here. It's going to be cool to watch how an even further-along avatar will deal with political dissent, not a war that could end the world.


I don't think you guys should read too much into this weird character flaw stuff, it is a kids show after all. They don't make it too complicated.
 
I don't think you guys should read too much into this weird character flaw stuff, it is a kids show after all. They don't make it too complicated.

Not at all. Avatar makes fairly strong and complicated characters. Zuko and Azula are more complex characters than I see in most shows period, let alone childrens cartoons, and even Katara is probably above average. Avatar's characters are totally worth discussing.
 
If you think about it, they've kinda lowered the stakes considerably here. It's going to be cool to watch how an even further-along avatar will deal with political dissent, not a war that could end the world.

I'd wait until after next episode to see what the stakes are.

Jusding from what we know from the trailers and the preview for episode three I'd say
Amon being able to take away has become pretty likely. Korra's "That's impossible" and especially Tenzon's "No bender is save" are strong hints towards that imo, especially coupled with that one frame where we see that douchy guy being touched in a spirit bending position. If it's true and if Tenzin gets his bending taken away (or the kids), I'm gonna cry.
 
so he shouldnt be as affected negatively by his mothers passing, because he didnt see her die?

You don't suppose that given that Sokka hardly remembers his mother - and he says when he tries to, he sees Katara - and that Katara can still vividly remember the night the Fire Nation raided their village and (apparently; I actually don't remember this detail) was the one who found their mother's body that this indicates that they might have experienced her passing in different and much more traumatic ways?

So, no. He shouldn't be as affected negatively.

i havent invented a thing

"Willfully spiteful," I think was the offending portion.

so shes mad that she feels upset about feeling abandoned by him?

... That seems overly reductive to the point that I suspect it's done to minimize, but I'm on four hours of sleep right now, so I suppose. I mean, it's a part of the story at least.

while it may appear that way, and i can understand that you think so, i am in fact putting myself in kataras shoes. its in the one way we are similar minus the fact that she was reunited with her father. i can understand how it feels, which is why i dont understand her actions.

Would you behave the same way now as you might have at fourteen? Were you in really similar situation (beyond the separation from your father; I mean the other stuff we've been talking about that explains Katara's character development and traits that she has in addition to the simple separation)?

Beyond the fact that I suspect that your situation and hers are less similar than you think (since you're thinking just about whether you were somehow separated from your father), Generic is right, and that was the thrust of my complaint in the first place. You were looking at this rationally, and that's not the way to consider why a character in emotional turmoil was behaving in an irrational way.

now that simply isnt fair. its ok to cast shade on what sokka was doing to hope for a chance of a survival against a far more formidable opponent, but judging katara is different? and lets be honest, the fire nation WAS going to invade the southern water tribe. within the year, it was gonna happen, especially if the avatar wasnt there.

... What he was doing was utterly irrelevant. We saw that the very first episode when Zuko's ship arrived. Sokka might have taken himself very seriously as the warrior of the village, but even Katara knew full well what was really going on: He was playing soldier. And when Zuko's dinky little boat came right up to the village, we saw how futile everything he was doing was.

It's harsh, but it's true. The only reason the Southern Water Tribe stayed safe was because it wasn't a target because it was a tiny village with women, children - the closest thing to a warrior was a fifteen year old boy, and none of them were (so far as the Fire Nation knew) waterbenders.

And not only were his actions not particularly meaningful, we saw what Sokka was doing to defend the village. He attempted to lead half a kindergarten class as warriors, and he built up and maintained his snow wall. Katara was the one who actually had to grow up and become the adult in the family. She took on new responsibilities, while Sokka's childhood continued much longer than hers did.
 
And not only were his actions not particularly meaningful, we saw what Sokka was doing to defend the village. He attempted to lead half a kindergarten class as warriors, and he built up and maintained his snow wall. Katara was the one who actually had to grow up and become the adult in the family. She took on new responsibilities, while Sokka's childhood continued much longer than hers did.

I would say that's putting Sokka's responsibilities a bit too lightly. His concerns were real. The idea of another attack, from anyone, is horrifying when you have no way to defend yourself. Sokka wasn't really playing at soldier, he was a soldier. Naturally, however, he's not going to spend every waking moment in fear. Besides his personality not really being that type, with no fire nation raid for many years, he could take the training as casually as he wanted. And worst of all, he had no teacher. Sokka had an easier time adjusting because he didn't remember most of the really bad stuff that happened. He just grew up knowing that protecting this village that no one was really attacking was his job, and it was up to him to train himself and a bunch of kids as warriors. So, he did the best he could in case of a genuine threat, but with no guide to how to do this, what else can Sokka have possibly come out as besides a complete joke? But that doesn't mean that he didn't have some sleepless nights, thinking what would happen if the fire nation did attack and he couldn't defend his village. You can only play at soldier if there are no consequences to your actions as a soldier, Sokka's capabilities as one would hold serious ones. That's not playing.
 
I would say that's putting Sokka's responsibilities a bit too lightly. His concerns were real. The idea of another attack, from anyone, is horrifying when you have no way to defend yourself. Sokka wasn't really playing at soldier, he was a soldier. Naturally, however, he's not going to spend every waking moment in fear. Besides his personality not really being that type, with no fire nation raid for many years, he could take the training as casually as he wanted. And worst of all, he had no teacher. Sokka had an easier time adjusting because he didn't remember most of the really bad stuff that happened. He just grew up knowing that protecting this village that no one was really attacking was his job, and it was up to him to train himself and a bunch of kids as warriors. So, he did the best he could in case of a genuine threat, but with no guide to how to do this, what else can Sokka have possibly come out as besides a complete joke? But that doesn't mean that he didn't have some sleepless nights, thinking what would happen if the fire nation did attack and he couldn't defend his village.

Well, I said that because that was what we saw Sokka doing in the first two episodes; those seemed to be his responsibilities with regards to protecting the village. You're right that the reason it came across as a joke was because he had no one to teach him, no real support, and was only a fifteen year old boy, though. And I wasn't meaning to question his intent or how much importance he placed on what he was doing. I just meant that, when you boil his actions down, that's what I think you get.

So I still think that Katara's new responsibilities were more meaningful. What Sokka was doing - high-minded or not - did amount to playing soldier. He might not have thought so, but as an outside observer that's what it looked like when Zuko's ship plowed right into the wall. When you aren't being attacked by anyone, and one Fire Nation war ship (even one as relatively small as Zuko's) was many times larger than your entire village, you're going to survive by not being noticed or attacked. Your defenses aren't really the issue.

I can see how that came across as overly harsh, though...

*going to sleep*
 
Just realized something, Toph's daughter is named Lin Beifong. Now I don't know how Chinese names work exactly, maybe it works differently in the Avatar world, but is it normal for a daughter to inherit the mother's family name? I mean of course maybe she never got married, or Lin is adopted, or the father didn't have a name to inherit, or maybe this was just an easier way to establish a connection with a past character.

Just thought it was odd.
 
Just realized something, Toph's daughter is named Lin Beifong. Now I don't know how Chinese names work exactly, maybe it works differently in the Avatar world, but is it normal for a daughter to inherit the mother's family name? I mean of course maybe she never got married, or Lin is adopted, or the father didn't have a name to inherit, or maybe this was just an easier way to establish a connection with a past character.

Just thought it was odd.

Pretty sure the kid would have the father's family name but this is Toph we are talking about. She probably wanted her daughter to have her family name.
 
The Beifong family name is highly regarded. It's likely Toph's husband took her name (if she even had a husband).

By the way, at the 2011 Comic-Con reveal, when the creators showed the first photo of Lin and explained that she was Toph's daughter, several fans in the crowd yelled, "Who's her father?!" Bryan and Michael just smiled and jokingly said, "I don't know what you're yelling, but we've got to keep moving" deliberately dodging the question and went to the next slide. :D

Considering how much info they were giving out that day, it was an unusual piece of info to hold back. So, I think we'll learn more during the series who Lin's father is.
 
Pretty sure the kid would have the father's family name but this is Toph we are talking about. She probably wanted her daughter to have her family name.


Toph was one of the few that had an actual surname in TLA so it can be see as expected but i'm surprised the creators are still doing it (
Asami and her father are the ones with a surname so far in Korra
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By the way, at the 2011 Comic-Con reveal, when the creators showed the first photo of Lin and explained that she was Toph's daughter, several fans in the crowd yelled, "Who's her father?!" Bryan and Michael just smiled and jokingly said, "I don't know what you're yelling, but we've got to keep moving" deliberately dodging the question and went to the next slide. :D

Considering how much info they were giving out that day, it was an unusual piece of info to hold back. So, I think we'll learn more during the series who Lin's father is.


They even did it in the booklet thing that revealed Aang and Katara's children, Korra's family, etc. For Lin it has "Unknown Father" on it so its like they are really keeping it close to their chest for some reason.
 
Highly doubt it. She's barely in control of herself in her normal state when she's frustrated, in the avatar will be way worse than Aang was if anything.

I can see her accidentally killing someone and that being a big part of her character arc.

Or maybe I just want to see things get really dark. :P
 
You guys, what if Amon is related to Toph? I'm sure if Toph had two kids and one of them couldn't earth bend, she would be very disappointed and would show more favor to the one that could.

And what if Toph's husband was Sokka? That could explain how Amon is both a non-bender and possibly a genius.
 
You guys, what if Amon is related to Toph? I'm sure if Toph had two kids and one of them couldn't earth bend, she would be very disappointed and would show more favor to the one that could.

And what if Toph's husband was Sokka? That could explain how Amon is both a non-bender and possibly a genius.
I want this to happen sooo badly it's ridiculous. I'd have enough material to have a good laugh for MONTHS. And the outrage of the fandom would be glorious!
 
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So much for stealth.
 
If she ever goes into it, she won't be in control just like Aang. And mastering it will be even more difficult since she can't even airbend right now.

It's her lack of spirituality really. Hell, Aang seemed to have an easy time mastering the avatar state once he was actually told how. The concepts used in mastering the Avatar state will probably be completely alien to her.
 
Just watched the second ep and the writing in this show is absolutely phenomenal. The banter and interactions really rivals some of the best shows on TV right now.
 
They have motor...satocycles already? When were auto...satomobiles made exactly?

Why is that weird?
Motocycles were made almost concurrently with automobiles.

4.5 Million Viewers apparently.

Downloaded and streamed more than 500,000 times. Not even counting illegal overseas viewers, most likely.



For a Saturday morning cartoon, this is pretty fucking amazing.
Nick is probably really pleased.
 
In no other official tv show thread I'm subscribed to are spoilers treated with such cavalier

Maybe one should start a Spoiler Free thread? I'm not sure how many people you would get to post in it however. I sympathize with your position but I just don't think many people who follow Korra care much about spoilers at this point.

Spoilers related to unaired material I think should definitely be marked and covered.
 
I'd wait until after next episode to see what the stakes are.

Jusding from what we know from the trailers and the preview for episode three I'd say
Amon being able to take away has become pretty likely. Korra's "That's impossible" and especially Tenzon's "No bender is save" are strong hints towards that imo, especially coupled with that one frame where we see that douchy guy being touched in a spirit bending position. If it's true and if Tenzin gets his bending taken away (or the kids), I'm gonna cry.

Pretty much, because if the Equalist's agenda is to rid the world of bending the only reason to kidnap benders instead of straight up killing them is if they intend to imprison them all permanently (which worked out so well for the Fire Nation during the 100 yeah war, right?) or if they plan to "Ozai" them all.

But I doubt that's even close to the Equalist's entire plan. Amon comes across as a resistance movement revolutionary and a Machiavellian mastermind at the same time. I'm guessing he'd do anything to smear benders to convince the public that they are a threat.
 
Maybe one should start a Spoiler Free thread? I'm not sure how many people you would get to post in it however. I sympathize with your position but I just don't think many people who follow Korra care much about spoilers at this point.

Spoilers related to unaired material I think should definitely be marked and covered.
I think that would be best and we should make that the rule from now on.

Stuff from trailers and sneaks, as well as speculation concerning it, should only be discussed in Spoiler Tags and only post gifs of episodes that already aired. If you have to post gifs, just put a spoiler warning before it and only post the link.

Does that sound good?
 
I think that would be best and we should make that the rule from now on.

Stuff from trailers and sneaks, as well as speculation concerning it, should only be discussed in Spoiler Tags and only post gifs of episodes that already aired. If you have to post gifs, just put a spoiler warning before it and only post the link.

Does that sound good?

I'm down for that, its how any other show would be treated and if we want people to be able to discuss the show then we should be able to guarantee them a spoiler free place.

Of course, once it's aired, GIF AWAY!
 
I'd wait until after next episode to see what the stakes are.

Jusding from what we know from the trailers and the preview for episode three I'd say
Amon being able to take away has become pretty likely. Korra's "That's impossible" and especially Tenzon's "No bender is save" are strong hints towards that imo, especially coupled with that one frame where we see that douchy guy being touched in a spirit bending position. If it's true and if Tenzin gets his bending taken away (or the kids), I'm gonna cry.

It was amazingly easy to see in the preview. Nick doesn't exactly do subtlety well. I'm confident this will be a plot point. Just remember I called it first. ;)
 
It was amazingly easy to see in the preview. Nick doesn't exactly do subtlety well. I'm confident this will be a plot point. Just remember I called it first. ;)

They also made it look like Katara and Zuko would maybe become a couple before the season 2 finale iirc. just saying.
But yeah, this time it seems pretty obvious from the dialogue and what we've seen. I'm sure we'll know after next episode.
 
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