Then why is it that all the cars we've seen so far blinged out and driven by benders?
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CAN'T EXPLAIN IT?
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Infinite Justice
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Nick has them on their website but its IP blocked (as usual).
I would think so.
I'm having issues, the video isn't loading and I just updated flash on my macbook seconds ago.
Bolin agreed to work with and even protect criminals. Bad things happen when you do this.
Professor Beef
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As far as we know, Bolin didn't understand the full extent of what they were doing. As far as we know, they might not have been anything illegal in that particular instance. I can see how that might look like he's guilty of something, but he's not. That's why it's a fallacy, it looks like it could be right, but it's not.
ColossalLazy
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Ha they show ads to me, but not the episode because of where I live.
Infinite Justice
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Yep IP blocked.
We know they're criminals, undoubtedly wanted ones at that. You don't knowingly work for criminals as they go about their dirty work. Even if he's sitting back at base taking a dump he's basically a part of the gang at that point by helping them instead of turning them over to the cops.
Ignorance of the law doesn't excuse anything. Besides Bolin knew full well what they did and that he shouldn't be hanging out with them. He still jumped at the opportunity the second some money was flashed in his face.
ColossalLazy
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Yeah but the ads are fine lol.
Net_Wrecker
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Infinite Justice
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Yea the thing Generic posted would just open a new can of worms so for Amon its just easier to deal it to everyone.
Now i wonder how he will accomplish such a thing since i can't see him in a room (for days) removing it from everyone, though it would be funny.
This is all assuming his gift is even legit.
gotta make dat ad revenue regardless.
Doesn't matter. Evidence of illegal activity has to be found before they are judged guilty. That's why we have courts and stuff, otherwise we'd just have cop's break and enter into criminals homes and shoot them point blank. Unless you can prove someone's guilt, they are innocent and especially when Bolin might not have been part of the operation in the first place.
It doesn't excuse it, but it should count for something. Honestly, the guy seems kind of slow to me, like he's still a little kid. The way he said that his brother told him not to go with them sounded like an 8 year old saying they're not suppose to talk to strangers, but ooh, they have candy, they can't be that bad. Besides, he IS underage, isn't he? Mako is 16, and he's the younger brother, so he must be what, 15?
In any case, Bolin is not the hardened criminal scum that people might assume that he is from his associations. Again, why we have courts. You know this, and while you might understand why people would jump to that conclusion, because you know he is not criminal scum, you should know that people should not be treating him as one.
Professor Beef
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We know they extort money, threaten people, etc. Bolin choose to lend his physical support to the gang and that's enough to make him a member in the eyes of someone like Amon who's clearly looking to destroy the gangs. Bolin's a dumbass, shouldn't have accepted their money. Like I said earlier, you hang with criminals and help them out and bad shit will happen.
I'm not saying he's criminal scum, I'm saying you can't complain about getting caught up in gang activity when you knowingly work for and support a gang. It's completely Bolin's fault he got caught up in this nonsense.
I thought it was weird that he was the only non-Triad leader caught. Did that dude throw money at him just to set him up? I thought he was going to be one of many benders hired for "security". But it was three triad leaders and him to have powers removed. Was it written that way just to give a personal reason for the Avatar to show up to the event?
When only four people, 3 triad leaders and Bolin, got walked on stage, I was like WTF? Where are the other hirelings?
When only four people, 3 triad leaders and Bolin, got walked on stage, I was like WTF? Where are the other hirelings?
Net_Wrecker
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What....what is this? What is this, Beef? One period would indicate you agree and echo my sentiments but an ellipsis indicates otherwise.
EXPLAIN YOURSELF, SIR.
AnathemicOne
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This is correct, it was only one triad leader and the rest were henchman
I assumed it was just all the people they caught at that one building Korra and Mako checked out (hence a nobody like Bolin was put on stage). Doesn't necessarily make sense though since Amon had been advertising this event for a while probably and wouldn't do it unless he was certain he had a high profile bender to depower. Maybe he had the triad leader for a while and that was why they were asking for protection, because they knew their gang was vulnerable.
Professor Beef
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I agree with all your points, but I also quite enjoy Amon's shiny mask. So I'm a bit conflicted.
Of course they would have to. Otherwise, what good would they be?
Like I said, Bolin doesn't seem to be aware of what he was doing. Which doesn't excuse it, but are you seriously going to say that crimes out of ignorance should be treated the same as crimes done out of malice?
Second, IT DOESN'T MATTER because AS FAR AS WE KNOW Bolin did NOTHING wrong. At best, he might have been on the verge of implicating himself in a crime which he didn't seem aware of, but he didn't as far as we know. He didn't hurt anyone, he didn't oppress anyone, he might have not done anything at all. He committed NO CRIME. If he was caught holding a bloody knife over a dead body full of stab wounds, no matter how much it may look like he killed another person, even if his looking like he did was his own fault, if that's not what happened, then he didn't commit any crime and should not be punished for it. Same thing applies here. I doubt that Amon even knew about the money offer, he just saw that Bolin was hanging out near them and decided to take him along with the rest. What if he was had simply been passing on the street and talked to his old friend? Would that have been his fault as well? Because Amon certainly would have gave no shit.
Guilt by association is a fallacy. This is why Amon's answer doesn't work, because he's going to be getting innocents caught up in his fire. I can understand why you think it's reasonable for the people to make the mistake, but you seem to be arguing that it's not a mistake at all and that Bolin should have his bending taken away despite doing nothing wrong.
Yes, yes you can. Like I said, Bolin seems to be pretty stupid and has no idea of what he was doing, which is on him, but stupidity is not a crime, in which case, atleast 85% of humanity should be hanged.
Net_Wrecker
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For a second I thought this would come to a head and we would engage in fisticuffs.
It's okay if Amon's mask has caught your eye. It's a damn fine mask.
Professor Beef
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You guys should go to blows.
Well IIRC pretty much every Fire Nation benders in the first series were always getting their asses kicked by Aang and his gang, they never posed a serious threat.
In just one fight they showed that these new bad guys are a lot more dangerous.
Infinite Justice
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Normally just as fodder for the good guys to beat up?. These guys seem to be really capable though.
C'mon now. I thought you knew me better than that. We're bros, after all!
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No. And he knew what he was doing which is why he was skeptical about joining up with them.
I'm not saying Amon's answer works, I'm saying Bolin wasn't some innocent flower who just happened to get caught up in this situation. He purposely put himself in the middle of it when he decided to work with the gang.
Nah, that's just naive. Again, we know Bolin knows what the gangs game is. Bolin is also undoubtedly aware that a good portion if not an outright majority of the city hate them. Being surprised when the shit hits the fan for a group of individuals who make a living extorting, harming, and (if Amon is to be believed) killing innocent people is, well, retarded. And I refuse to believe Bolin is that stupid. He knew the risks and went in anyway because he really wanted that money. Then karma caught up with his new friends and he was right in the middle of it all when it happened.
This.
And to add more, bending isn't just a tool either; it's a genetic trait. It'd be like someone saying, "a person of a certain race killed my parents, therefore that race needs to be punished." Benders don't choose to be benders, they are born that way and shouldn't be punished based on bad actions of others.
Equality is a noble cause, but Amon is a bad guy. No doubt about that.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Absolutely love the fight direction in this series, absolutely stunning. They need to slow down on the Korra-Mako relationship stuff or maybe subvert it so that it turns out they aren't really compatible since it seems to be moving too fast imo.
Is there a pic of Korra dressed up as a non-bender that I could make into an avatar?
Is there a pic of Korra dressed up as a non-bender that I could make into an avatar?
Well to be fair, this series is going to be a LOT shorter than the original. It's just an extra long miniseries. No "filler" episodes.
I like it that way, too. The current pace kind of reminds me of the Ba Sing Se segment.
CornBurrito
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Bolin was working for the Triads at the time. I doubt they had time to verify his criminal record. They assumed he was a member of the gang.
He was skeptical about joining them because his big brother said he shouldn't. Like I said before, he looked like an 8 year old who was telling the man offering him candy that his mom told him not to talk to strangers.
For the 3rd time, yes he is until he commits a crime. He put himself there. This is not a crime., His job was to bodygaurd someone. This also isn't a crime.
Until you specifically tell me what he did that was hurting someone or allowing someone to be hurt (remember, the actual criminal in question may not have even been doing any criminal activity at that point, so even complicity might be out), Bolin is totally innocent of any wrongdoing.
You have no basis for any of the bolded. Your just presuming that he knows when his mannerisms indicated otherwise.
And I'm saying this for the last time. Even if he did everything you said he did, until you prove that he is complicit in some crime that the triad dudes did in his presence, he did nothing wrong.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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As if we needed another reason to point out how wrong Amon's solution is. Vigilante justice is wrong, guys.
Batman might've made it cool, BUT IT'S STILL WRONG.
It still seems like it is a bit ridiculous for a kid who apparently grew up on the streets not to know most of those things that he mentioned though. I mean agree with you that he didn't necessarily do anything wrong, but how could he not know such obvious things?
IrrelevantNotch
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Woo! Works in Canada.
Until it becomes licensed that is... MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
kid's show, one-dimensionally written comedy relief character - he's stupid/naive whenever the plot requires it
Just jumping into the discussion (first post on GAF after a few weeks of regular lurking). I don't mean to interrupt anyone but I wanted to note that while I agree that Bolin did not do anything immoral, there was no way for the Equalists to have known that. Now, you're absolutely right that for someone to be found guilty there needs to be evidence, a fair trial, etc. However, given that you already implied that you were okay with the Equalist's brand of vigilantism against the Triads, I don't see how you can possibly demand that they take into account evidence. Yes, what happened to Bolin really sucks for him and as fans of the character we can feel bad for him. But if you're going to defend vigilantes, you can't turn around and apply a different standard just because a popular character got caught up in the middle of it.
Of course, if you disapprove of Amon's actions entirely that's another matter, but after reading the post I linked to I got the sense that you were somewhat accepting of Amon's actions against the Triads. My apologies if I misinterpreted what you said.
Also, on a semi-related note, is there any indication that Amon has ever taken away the bending ability of someone who is not a violent criminal (or is affiliated with violent criminals)? There's no telling what's yet to come in the show, of course, so I'm not trying to justify Amon's cause. However, based on what we know, I'm going to refrain from condemning Amon too strongly. It's not clear yet that he's done anything to harm the ordinary, law-abiding benders of Republic City. I expect that to change in the coming episodes, although I really hope that Amon is given principles so he's a more interesting and sophisticated antagonist.
Working with a gang is a bad idea. That's all I'm trying to say. Acting surprised because a gang got what's coming to them is ridiculous, even more so when you get caught up in it because you decided to work with them. And I disagree emphatically with the idea that he had no idea what the gangs were up to or what they were capable of. Bolin is not that stupid. He didn't want to because he knew the dangers and because his brother had specifically told him not to. If he knew they were in the right side of the moral equation he would've jumped to work for them in a heartbeat for that kind of money.
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