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UFC 145 |OT| A Special Night with Jon Jones

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cr_blah_blah said:
That fight sucked. Congrats, Rashad, you lasted 25 minutes boring the fuck out of everyone. Not a single throw from Jones and only the bullshit pretend takedowns at the end of rounds. Nothing interesting at all about that fight. No finish attempts, unless you count that short elbow Jones didn't follow up on for whatever reason or the supposed standing guillotine. Rashad was completely outclassed and they just wasted everybody's time with a made-up rivalry.
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Both of them deserve shit.
 
Dmented said:
I'm pretty damn surprised Rashad lasted this long. Props to him for that, but jesus. What's up with little guys staying so far away from bigger guys.
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The onus is on the smaller guys to get inside and trying to negate the reach, but that's much easier said that done, especially when you've got a guy that uses his reach so well to control distance. In that video with Rashad Evans calling the Jones-Rampage fight, he kept criticizing Rampage for "playing Jones' game" and not forcing himself inside more, but he did the exact same thing tonight.

That vid is here, btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZghYu2UA9vQ

People can't even take Jones down, because not only does he have good strength and a solid wrestling base, but he can control range so well that guys have to shoot on him from a distance.

What was particularly impressive tonight is that even when it got in close, and they started playing patty-cake, Jones was murdering Rashad with those unorthodox short-range standing elbows. And he was doing it with great consistency. He also demonstrated in earlier fights that he is a beast in the clinch, so he is quite effective at both long and short ranges.

Nobody is unbeatable but it's difficult to see Jones losing by anything other than a big hit, whether that's a big kick or a big punch. Something that either knocks him out flat or dazes him enough that the other guy can pounce. He isn't getting outmuscled at 205 and he isn't going to be thoroughly outstruck; this is probably not a guy who will be losing a decision in that division. Whoever beats him will have to finish him.

That's why Hendo has a shot if he can land that big right, but he is going to go in there with a hilarious 13.5 inch reach disadvantage. So uh, good luck with that.
 
NubInaTub said:
Too many WWE fans here. That was an excellent MMA fight, and was very entertaining.

The reason why I liked it so much was because either man could have finished each other at any second.
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What the hell kind of reasoning is this? It was exciting because something could have happened? Well that changes my outlook on every sport.
 
NubInaTub said:
Too many WWE fans here. That was an excellent MMA fight, and was very entertaining.

The reason why I liked it so much was because either man could have finished each other at any second.
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you denigrate sports entertainment fans yet you proudly wear an animu av.
 
Zeliard said:
That's why Hendo has a shot if he can land that big right, but he is going to go in there with a hilarious 13.5 inch reach disadvantage. So uh, good luck with that.
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Zeliard said:
The onus is on the smaller guys to get inside and trying to negate the reach, but that's much easier said that done, especially when you've got a guy that uses his reach so well to control distance. In that video with Rashad Evans calling the Jones-Rampage fight, he kept criticizing Rampage for "playing Jones' game" and not forcing himself inside more, but he did the exact same thing tonight.

That vid is here, btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZghYu2UA9vQ

People can't even take Jones down, because not only does he have good strength and a solid wrestling base, but he can control range so well that guys have to shoot on him from a distance.

What was particularly impressive tonight is that even when it got in close, and they started playing patty-cake, Jones was murdering Rashad with those unorthodox short-range standing elbows. And he was doing it with great consistency. He also demonstrated in earlier fights that he is a beast in the clinch, so he is quite effective at both long and short ranges.

Nobody is unbeatable but it's difficult to see Jones losing by anything other than a big hit, whether that's a big kick or a big punch. Something that either knocks him out flat or dazes him enough that the other guy can pounce. He isn't getting outmuscled at 205 and he isn't going to be thoroughly outstruck; this is probably not a guy who will be losing a decision in that division. Whoever beats him will have to finish him.

That's why Hendo has a shot if he can land that big right, but he is going to go in there with a hilarious 13.5 inch reach disadvantage. So uh, good luck with that.
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What Jones did' a 4:23 explains why people hate him.
 
I love how every single time Jones beats someone all the haters go, "INSERT NAME HERE will kick his ass." Yet every time, Jones completely destroys them. If you think Dan Henderson has a chance against Jones you're a fool. He barely beat Shogun.
 
PaleFolklore said:
I love how every single time Jones beats someone all the haters go, "INSERT NAME HERE will kick his ass." Yet every time, Jones completely destroys them. If you think Dan Henderson has a chance against Jones you're a fool. He barely beat Shogun.
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Im pretty sure this Reg guy has done this at least the last three Jones fight, and im a casual fan seeing this.
 
PaleFolklore said:
I love how every single time Jones beats someone all the haters go, "INSERT NAME HERE will kick his ass." Yet every time, Jones completely destroys them. If you think Dan Henderson has a chance against Jones you're a fool. He barely beat Shogun.
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Every one was saying that Shad was going to lose and that Hendo would be the one to test Jones.
 
Zeliard said:
That's why Hendo has a shot if he can land that big right, but he is going to go in there with a hilarious 13.5 inch reach disadvantage. So uh, good luck with that.
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I don't see Hendo staying far out, I see him going in close, digging into Jones. Of all people at the moment, Hendo has the biggest chance of beating Jones. Time will tell, but I don't think he'll be stupid enough to stay in Jones' reach.

For the record I like Jones, I like all the fighters really. I love good fights and I see Hendo vs Jones being a good fight.
 
Darkman M said:
Im pretty sure this Reg guy has done this at least the last three Jones fight, and im a casual fan seeing this.
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He's probably one of the dozens of lame ass Sherdoggers who does it.

At least he's not making claim to Gustaffson is the savior yet, like they do over at Sherdog.
 
Dmented said:
I don't see Hendo staying far out, I see him going in close, digging into Jones. Of all people at the moment, Hendo has the biggest chance of beating Jones. Time will tell, but I don't think he'll be stupid enough to stay in Jones' reach.
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he might not have a choice. Bones completely controls every fight he's in. He's never had to fight defensively. He pretty much does whatever he wants
 
yacobod said:
you denigrate sports entertainment fans yet you proudly wear an animu av.
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What I meant by my statement was someone wanting a first round knockout. Jones has been to a decision twice now. You can't always expect a finish or an over the top exciting match like what McDonald put on. Rashad was no chump and only has one loss. Rashad was the real deal and could have finished Jones at any second. Hell, he could have clipped Jones with a punch at the end when he pulled guard. You go back, and look at the replays at what Rashad endured, he's one tough dude. Jones didn't want to get too cocky, over extend his self, because he could have been easily knocked out.
 
Dmented said:
I don't see Hendo staying far out, I see him going in close, digging into Jones. Of all people at the moment, Hendo has the biggest chance of beating Jones. Time will tell, but I don't think he'll be stupid enough to stay in Jones' reach.
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Right but that's the thing. Evans thought Rampage was being stupid by not getting inside more, but that's because it's much easier said than done.

The concept is very simple: get inside and negate Jones' reach. The execution is another matter entirely. Jones is so good at keeping distance with his various strikes, good movement, and general unpredictability that it's very difficult for guys to get in. None of these guys are anything close to someone like Tyson, who was able to consistently get inside on bigger opponents with incredible head movement and highly effective bobbing and weaving.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
he might not have a choice. Bones completely controls every fight he's in. He's never had to fight defensively. He pretty much does whatever he wants
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Because of guys being too scared/stupid to dig into him and instead they stay in his reach where he dominates. Don't get me wrong, Jones is an amazing fighter with mega talent. No one is unbeatable though.
 
NubInaTub said:
What I meant by my statement was someone wanting a first round knockout. Jones has been to a decision twice now. You can't always expect a finish or an over the top exciting match like what McDonald put on. Rashad was no chump and only has one loss. Rashad was the real deal and could have finished Jones at any second. Hell, he could have clipped Jones with a punch at the end when he pulled guard. You go back, and look at the replays at what Rashad endured, he's one tough dude. Jones didn't want to get too cocky, over extend his self, because he could have been easily knocked out.
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Dmented said:
I don't see Hendo staying far out, I see him going in close, digging into Jones. Of all people at the moment, Hendo has the biggest chance of beating Jones. Time will tell, but I don't think he'll be stupid enough to stay in Jones' reach.

For the record I like Jones, I like all the fighters really. I love good fights and I see Hendo vs Jones being a good fight.
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What do you think will happen when Hendo gets close? He will eat elbows, knees, and get ragdolled.
 
I don't know about you guys, but the most anticipated fights are always the least entertaining and the least anticipated fights are the most entertaining.
 
Zeliard said:
Right but that's the thing. Evans thought Rampage was being stupid by not getting inside more, but that's because it's much easier said than done.

The concept is very simple: get inside and negate Jones' reach. The execution is another matter entirely. Jones is so good at keeping distance with his various strikes, good movement, and general unpredictability that it's very difficult for guys to get in. None of these guys are anything close to someone like Tyson, who was able to consistently get inside on bigger opponents with incredible head movement and highly effective bobbing and weaving.
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Psh, comeon now. Surely one of us, with this knowledge and a mere yellow belt in any sort of deadly martial art, such as Aikido, would be able to simply use this strategy to defeat Jones. It's so obvious, it's just no one has figured it out, except us on the internet, that's all.

I shall confer with Master Seagal on the matter and report back accordingly.
 
Ænima;37172931 said:
What do you think will happen when Hendo gets close? He will eat elbows, knees, and get ragdolled.
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If he doesn't stick to a good gameplan then absolutely. Jones is pretty fucking huge. We'll have to see, hoping for a great fight though.
 
PaleFolklore said:
I love how every single time Jones beats someone all the haters go, "INSERT NAME HERE will kick his ass." Yet every time, Jones completely destroys them. If you think Dan Henderson has a chance against Jones you're a fool. He barely beat Shogun.
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Dan Henderson gets eaten for breakfast by Jones for sure. If 185 pound shielslds can beat Henderson so can Jones. But can Jones beat Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velasquez and Alistair? Not sure about that. Especially in the heavyweight division where he wont have much of a reach, or weight/strength advantage.
 
NubInaTub said:
"Matt Serra could knock out GSP at any second"

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"Mike Russow is gonna KO Todd Duffee"

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It's MMA dude, anything can happen.
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If that's the case then I can beat Junior Dos Santos. Jones was never in any real danger though, and I doubt Rashad would have had enough in one shot to take Bones out. Shad's KO power is overrated. I don't think Bones was ever at risk of getting KO'd, especially not after round 2.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
If that's the case then I can beat Junior Dos Santos. Jones was never in any real danger though, and I doubt Rashad would have had enough in one shot to take Bones out. Shad's KO power is overrated. I don't think Bones was ever at risk of getting KO'd, especially not after round 2.
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Jones was rocked by that kick at the end of the 1st but he played it smart.
 
TheNatural said:
Psh, comeon now. Surely one of us, with this knowledge and a mere yellow belt in any sort of deadly martial art, such as Aikido, would be able to simply use this strategy to defeat Jones. It's so obvious, it's just no one has figured it out, except us on the internet, that's all.

I shall confer with Master Seagal on the matter and report back accordingly.
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Haha :P

I like Jones bringing Jeet Kune Do back in the spotlight.

Redux said:
Dan Henderson gets eaten for breakfast by Jones for sure. If 185 pound shielslds can beat Henderson so can Jones. But can Jones beat Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velasquez and Alistair? Not sure about that. Especially in the heavyweight division where he wont have much of a reach, or weight/strength advantage.
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Yeah I agree that HW is when things start to become trickier for Jones. He'll still have a decent reach advantage over most of the guys there, but probably a general size/strength disadvantage. We don't know how big he can get yet if he decides to start packing on the pounds. I'm guessing he'd probably fight at around Fedor weight - 230 or so, so he can still keep a lot of speed and mobility.
 
Dana talking about how after the Bocek fight they were 30 minutes over the PPV limit and if every fight went the distance the main event would have cut off after around round 3. That's why they cut the entrances off for the other fighters and quick turnarounds.
 
Zeliard said:
Yeah I agree that HW is when things start to become trickier for Jones. He'll still have a decent reach advantage over most of the guys there, but probably a general size/strength disadvantage. We don't know how big he can get yet if he decides to start packing on the pounds. I'm guessing he'd probably fight at around Fedor weight - 230 or so, so he can still keep a lot of speed and mobility.
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Wouldn't that be a disadvantage? Fedor got dominated by a bigger guy.

Rashard was suppose to close his range but he fought at Jones'. But as soon as Jones fights somebody with similar reach we might see a different fight.
 
TheNatural said:
Yup Hendo is confirmed. Hopefully they can get it together for July or August or something and not wait all year.
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Turnaround should be pretty quick. Jones came out relatively unscathed, and Hendo has been waiting for a while. Plus Jones tends to not spend much time in between fights. In 2011 alone he fought four times.
 
Redux said:
Wouldn't that be a disadvantage? Fedor got dominated by a bigger guy.

Rashard was suppose to close his range but he fought at Jones'. But as soon as Jones fights somebody with similar reach we might see a different fight.
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Well, JDS only fights at around 238 or so I think. He does what he does with great boxing and solid TDD rather than size, though he is obviously not a weak dude. If Jones can still keep his distance well enough and not try to outmuscle guys in the clinch like he does so easily at 205, he should be fine at around 230. He'll still be quicker and have much better movement than a lot of the guys at HW.
 
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