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Legend of Korra |OT| - Saturday Mornings Just Got Better

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What was weird in this episode was Tenzins eye movement when Korra told him about what Amon could do.

Yeah, he looked down and to the right I think. Either he's extremely spooked or he's holding something back; my first thought was that he's lying.

I just saw a series preview on Nick.com that showed
Korra crying and shit, saying I don't know what to do anymore, hugging Tenzin with tears rolling down her face
so I guess she'll be captured and stripped of bending? That was my first thought, but then I see
Tenzin hugging her in what looks like ruins, might be she goes glow and accidentally wrecks Air Temple Island?

Really don't want her to lose her bending, but I see it happening.
 
Doesn't matter. You don't punish the guilty on the basis of probability. You don't go in court, say "Yeah, he probably did it" and end the case there. Their goal is to punish benders that abuse their power. That's fine. But they're also hurting the benders that are not abusing their power. That is not in line with their goal.

No. There goal isn't to punish benders who abuse their powers. It is pretty clear that Amon views bending itself as evil. Punishing criminals is probably just a PR move to gain support of more moderate non-benders.

And again, the Equalists aren't the American justice system. They aren't out to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. Besides, Bolin -was- abusing his power. Acting as a bodyguard for gang members is not a moral choice. The "I needed rent money" excuse wouldn't fly, because there were perfectly acceptable avenues for cash.
 
Did you watch the first series at all?

You might as well be speculating that Mako is a time traveler from the year 2000 for all the evidence you have.

Relax pal, didn't mean to butthurt you. A lot of shit could have happened between the end of Last Airbender and the start of Korra. For example you (we) have no friggin' clue what sort of lives Toph, Sokka, Azula, etc. had during that period ... so all sorts of stuff could have happened - perhaps Korra wasn't the only candidate.
 
Relax pal, didn't mean to butthurt you. A lot of shit could have happened between the end of Last Airbender and the start of Korra. For example you (we) have no friggin' clue what sort of lives Toph, Sokka, Azula, etc. had during that period ... so all sorts of stuff could have happened - perhaps Korra wasn't the only candidate.

That's not how Avatar works.
There is only one person that can be the Avatar and they are born the moment the current Avatar dies.
There aren't any do overs or second chances with the spirit world.
It's all set in stone.
 
Just rewatched the episode. I'm more convinced that Amon doesn't actually energybend. He touches the forehead and back of the neck but there's no actual energy being expelled. I'm willing to bet it's just a really advance form of chi-blocking that got its inspiration from Aang.

The question is, did Aang teach his energybending to anyone else? We know it's possible to past it on much like how the Lion Turtle taught it to Aang. And if so, who would Aang trust with such a power? Someone from the White Lotus? Or one of his children perhaps?

So many questions, Aang really needs to show up and help Korra out asap.
 
Maybe Amon is the firebender that killed the brothers' parents. Aang, as his punishment, attempted to take away his bending but lost the "battle of wills" and died, all the while inadvertenly giving Amon the ability to energybend.
 
Maybe Amon is the firebender that killed the brothers' parents. Aang, as his punishment, attempted to take away his bending but lost the "battle of wills" and died, all the while inadvertenly giving Amon the ability to energybend.


Or maybe Amon is their father?
 
Relax pal, didn't mean to butthurt you. A lot of shit could have happened between the end of Last Airbender and the start of Korra. For example you (we) have no friggin' clue what sort of lives Toph, Sokka, Azula, etc. had during that period ... so all sorts of stuff could have happened - perhaps Korra wasn't the only candidate.

Again, did you watch the first series? At all? Even a little?


Maybe Amon is the firebender that killed the brothers' parents. Aang, as his punishment, attempted to take away his bending but lost the "battle of wills" and died, all the while inadvertenly giving Amon the ability to energybend.

I'd imagine they have a way to actually jail criminal benders without having to remove their bending. Especially with metalbending being a thing.
 
Maybe Amon is the firebender that killed the brothers' parents. Aang, as his punishment, attempted to take away his bending but lost the "battle of wills" and died, all the while inadvertenly giving Amon the ability to energybend.

Actually, this is interesting because one of energybendings abilities is to pass on that knowledge to others. The lion turtle energybended Aang. But what's interesting is that he used forehead and chest touching. So did Aang. And in both cases they emitted some form of energy, notably light of some sort.

Amon didn't touch the chest and didn't emit any light.

However it can't be coincidence that Mako/Bolin and Amon have the same story. They're connected somehow.
 
That's not how Avatar works.
There is only one person that can be the Avatar and they are born the moment the current Avatar dies.
There aren't any do overs or second chances with the spirit world.
It's all set in stone.

In the first episode I vaguely remember that the White Lotus council mentioning at Korra's parents house something about a failed search for the Avatar in the Northern Water Tribe so I thought that 'false' Avatars do appear from time to time? Anyway, it's a dumb idea so lets move on while I'm behind and before Obsessed bursts an aneurysm.
 
Actually, this is interesting because one of energybendings abilities is to pass on that knowledge to others. The lion turtle energybended Aang. But what's interesting is that he used forehead and chest touching. So did Aang. And in both cases they emitted some form of energy, notably light of some sort.

Amon didn't touch the chest and didn't emit any light.

However it can't be coincidence that Mako/Bolin and Amon have the same story. They're connected somehow.

How? Wouldn't they flat out say they had an older brother? Wouldn't Amon be able to recognize his own siblings? Doubtful.
 
I think that Amon is actually a failed Avatar who failed (or got kicked out of) the training.

Doesn't work that way. The Avatar is born, not chosen. The White Lotus talk about a failed search because people were claiming their child were the Avatar, but they really weren't. That's what they meant.
 
In the first episode I vaguely remember that the White Lotus council mentioning at Korra's parents house something about a failed search for the Avatar in the Northern Water Tribe so I thought that 'false' Avatars do appear from time to time? Anyway, it's a dumb idea so lets move on while I'm behind and before Obsessed bursts an aneurysm.

False as in people claiming their child is the Avatar when in fact they aren't. People can lie or be mistaken in the Avatar world.

And I am amused, not angry. I guess you really do have to watch the first series in order to not be lost.
 
In the first episode I vaguely remember that the White Lotus council mentioning at Korra's parents house something about a failed search for the Avatar in the Northern Water Tribe so I thought that 'false' Avatars do appear from time to time? Anyway, it's a dumb idea so lets move on while I'm behind and before Obsessed bursts an aneurysm.

Many parents claimed their child was the Avatar even though it wasn't true, probably just for attention.

There is only one true Avatar at any one point time.
 
How? Wouldn't they flat out say they had an older brother? Wouldn't Amon be able to recognize his own siblings? Doubtful.

I never said they're related. Just connected in some way. Whether Amon is the firebender who killed their parents or if the same firebender killed Amons and Mako/Bolins parents.

The creators wouldn't reveal the story of Mako/Bolins parents and then have Amon have the same exact story if it wasn't relevant to each other.
 
I never said they're related. Just connected in some way. Whether Amon is the firebender who killed their parents or if the same firebender killed Amons and Mako/Bolins parents.

The creators wouldn't reveal the story of Mako/Bolins parents and then have Amon have the same exact story if it wasn't relevant to each other.

Red herring potential?

But yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if it were the same bender.
 
Maybe Amon is the firebender that killed the brothers' parents. Aang, as his punishment, attempted to take away his bending but lost the "battle of wills" and died, all the while inadvertenly giving Amon the ability to energybend.

Yeeah.
Probably not.

Aang's spirit was unbendable against even Fire Lord Ozai, who was pretty rock solid in his genocidal convictions (and almost consumed Aang in the process of energybending). I think Aang would only get stronger from that point on, with his "true heart" and "true mind" not getting any less-truer in his adult life. I find it hard to believe that post-war, anyone could bend Aang's life energy, or corrupt him like Ozai almost did. And who is to say Aang would even use the power again? It's not a power to be trifled with; the risk alone proves that.

And if Aang did use the energybending power more, you'd think he'd use it to do the opposite of what he did to Oazi, and bring more airbenders into the world in order to restore balance. After all, how can anything be balanced if a whole element is practically extinct?

He obviously knew the power wasn't to be used in such a way, and never trifled with it. And I can't imagine there being an incident more severe than his fight with the Fire Lord that would precipitate such an action. It seems that (The Promise spoilers:)
post-Harmony Restoration Movement
he spent the rest of his short life concentrating on the United Republic of Nations and passing his airbending knowledge down to Tenzin.

Personally, I'm still clinging on to the Koh theory. I think Amon went to the spirit world (it is possible, since Iroh also had a connection, and could see spirit Aang when he was riding on Roku's animal guide's spirit) and had an encounter with Koh, who stole his face. In the meantime, he also gained the power to energybend, and his Equalist movement is simply the cover of something more malevolent.

Saying he lost his face to a firebender is just, in my view, a cover story (since firebender attacks seem like a common thing that vulnerable people can relate to, as Mako and Bolin experienced) to 1) not scare the populace, and 2) for storytelling purposes: if we see he has no face early in the season we know that Koh is involved, whereas the scar done by a firebender is a rather simplistic motivation for him to explain to the populace, and a good distraction by the writers to make the late-season revelation a surprise.

It could also explain why Korra has trouble with the spiritual side of bending. Yes, all Avatars have trouble with one thing or another that's polar opposite to their personality, but even Aang picked up earthbending relatively quickly, and Korra will no doubt pick up airbending eventually (as we saw the beginnings of in episode 2), but the spiritual side seems to be "ignored" -- it's not even a thing for Korra, and she can't even comprehend it, which Aang managed to when the time came. Maybe something is happening with the spirits that has something to do with Amon, and it's preventing Korra from reaching them.
 
In the first episode I vaguely remember that the White Lotus council mentioning at Korra's parents house something about a failed search for the Avatar in the Northern Water Tribe so I thought that 'false' Avatars do appear from time to time? Anyway, it's a dumb idea so lets move on while I'm behind and before Obsessed bursts an aneurysm.


Wow, jerkish much? Calm down man
 
Well, if there was any doubt that this season/series wasn't way better than the first one...it's gone now. I love Korra. I love the firebending bros. I love that we had the whole first series as backstory and can get into the deep intricacies of the world
 
In the first episode I vaguely remember that the White Lotus council mentioning at Korra's parents house something about a failed search for the Avatar in the Northern Water Tribe so I thought that 'false' Avatars do appear from time to time? Anyway, it's a dumb idea so lets move on while I'm behind and before Obsessed bursts an aneurysm.

It wasn't a false Avatar; it was simply that there were rumors / reports that the Avatar had appeared in the Northern Water Tribe which turned out to be false. Read this.

Your idea would simply go against all of the established canon in the series thus far and turn Korra into incoherent fan fiction. That's why Obsessed - and I imagine others - couldn't believe you'd suggest it if you'd watched the first series with any comprehension.
 
Geez louise dude. "There is knowing, and there's knowing"? What? You're suggesting he knows what extortion is but that he lacks the empathy to properly understand that it's something bad that he shouldn't be apart of? "He knows it's illegal but can't comprehend what it fully means"? What? You're suggesting he puts extortion on the same level as jaywalking? His parents are dead but death is a vague and distant thing? This is not just suggesting Bolin acts like a kid sometimes, you're ascribing him with literal mental handicaps. A teenager without the slightest hint of a moral compass. We try 14 year olds in this country as adults sometimes and yet Bolin is apparently incapable of the simple understanding that extortion and murder are wrong.

I don't think he's incapable of understanding, but I'm just saying that he doesn't see it as as bad a thing because he doesn't have experience with it. Everything is so 100% with you. Either he knows what it is and therefore knows ALL about it, or he doesn't have any capability of understanding what it is whatsoever. No, I'm just suggesting that there is a major difference between understanding how something works and going through the experience itself. He can think of the crimes as lesser than they are for not having personal experience with them. It doesn't mean he's mentally handicapped, but that's how the human mind works, especially those of young people.

Though I will agree that his extended knowledge of the gangs and everything does make it suspect that he wouldn't know ANYTHING. Maybe he was doing the mental gymnastics your accusing me of doing into thinking it's not that bad. In any case, if you are right, I'd still want an explanation for the way he was acting in that exchange with Shady Shim, because it's seriously bizarre how he behaves, especially if it's not his normal behavior.

Nah, one is a job you took with the reasonable expectation that you wouldn't ever have to do anything illegal or even morally questionable. Bolin decided of his own free will to join up with known extortionists and thugs for a quick buck. They're clearly different. One will never get you confused with a gang member, the other will.

What you expected when you first took the job is irrelevant. Whats relevant is that you see the criminal come in, and you are told to serve them. The only difference here is that you are already expected to do the job by default while Bolin isn't. But that hardly matters, because both you and bolin still have the same information available to you and the same choice: There is a criminal who you are being asked to work for, do you serve him or not?

As for the last thing, what does it matter who gets confused for what? Your morality is what you put out into the world, not what the world thinks of you. If everyone thinks Bolin is a criminal when he never actually did anything, he is not a criminal.

See, I disagree. If you get offered a job to work for known criminals, specifically physically violent ones who terrorize innocent people, you're walking the thinnest of lines between outright morally wrong and at best morally questionable. Especially when, in Bolin's case, it's for a quick buck which if Mako was to be believed could've been avoided by honest hard work that leaves no moral quandaries.

The quick buck in question was their livelihood, and it wasn't definitive that Mako would make the money, so it's somewhat understandable. I guess this is a difference of opinion though. The morality of an action stands aside from the other actions of a person. Bolin was working as a bodygaurd on the presumption that none of their activities would be illegal or immortal. Whatever they do in other times is a different business entirely, but at that particular moment, they weren't doing anything wrong, so they have nothing to condemn them over.
No. There goal isn't to punish benders who abuse their powers. It is pretty clear that Amon views bending itself as evil. Punishing criminals is probably just a PR move to gain support of more moderate non-benders.

And again, the Equalists aren't the American justice system. They aren't out to prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. Besides, Bolin -was- abusing his power. Acting as a bodyguard for gang members is not a moral choice. The "I needed rent money" excuse wouldn't fly, because there were perfectly acceptable avenues for cash.

Their logic goes like this:

Benders abuse their power -> Benders are bad -> therefore, benders should have their power taken away.

The entire argument relies on the premise that benders are abusing their power. If no bender did that, they don't have a reason to think that bending is bad, and therefore no reason to think that it should be taken away. So, benders that don't abuse their power don't fall under the bad category, yet are being targeted all the same. If they also acknowledged that benders who don't do anything wrong also need to have their bending taken away because they are susceptible to abuse, then his logic would have been thoroughly sound, but he has not yet.

That the crowd in the show is enraged enough at the benders that they don't seem to realize this gap in logic even though Amon laid it out plainly. That's realistic, but that doesn't mean they are being any less unreasonable for it.

And I disagree about Bolin. Besides that I don't think working what is a harmless job as a bodyguard (again, presuming everything is kept legal, then the only trouble that there'd be is trouble someone else starts), being poor doesn't really work like that. Bolin didn't know there would be enough money from Mako's pay, and even if there was, Mako would have a difficult time getting it, while that money was right there. Even if we agreed about everything else, I certainly wouldn't begrudge Bolin for it. Honestly, even if I did agree that it was wrong, Bolin clearly isn't a hardened criminal hurting others out of malice and this seems to be a one time thing. Your saying he deserves a spiritual mutiliation because he did a one time gig done for desperate money that would have resulted in no one being hurt so long as they left him alone?
 
And I disagree about Bolin. Besides that I don't think working what is a harmless job as a bodyguard (again, presuming everything is kept legal, then the only trouble that there'd be is trouble someone else starts), being poor doesn't really work like that. Bolin didn't know there would be enough money from Mako's pay, and even if there was, Mako would have a difficult time getting it, while that money was right there. Even if we agreed about everything else, I certainly wouldn't begrudge Bolin for it. Honestly, even if I did agree that it was wrong, Bolin clearly isn't a hardened criminal hurting outs out of malice and this seems to be a one time thing. Your saying he deserves a spiritual mutiliation because he did a one time gig done for desperate money that would have resulted in no one being hurt so long as they left him alone? That's ridiculous to me.

We know Bolin isn't like that, but the Equalists do not.

For all we know the leader of the TTT (who was mutilated first) donates half his extortionist profits to orphanages.
 
I can see how Mako and Bolin will also have to train in combat, since when they were fighting the henchmen they were simply doing Pro-Bending moves instead of moves that could seriously hold them back.
 
Mako is also the name of the son of Iroh. :O

Actually, Lu Ten was his son's name.

But if you're referencing the "In Honor of Mako" thing from from the episode 'Tales of Ba Sing Se', that's actually in memory of Iroh's voice actor, Mako, who passed away in the middle of Book Two, after he'd recorded all his lines for that season (Book Three had a different actor).

Mako in The Legend of Korra is actually named after him.
 
Actually, Lu Ten was his son's name.

But if you're referencing the "In Honor of Mako" thing from from the episode 'Tales of Ba Sing Se', that's actually in memory of Iroh's voice actor, Mako, who passed away in the middle of Book Two, after he'd recorded all his lines for that season (Book Three had a different actor).

Mako in The Legend of Korra is actually named after him.
Okay, that makes sense.
 
Maybe Mako killed his parents and he's repressing.

Clearly he needs more reasons to be emo.
 
This show is so awesome so far. The first three episodes of Korra are leaps and bounds better than the first three episodes of the original, and the original is possibly my favorite cartoon ever. I just love the approach they took to this. It would have been easy to cash in on the already established characters and have some follow-up plot of Aang doing Avatar stuff for a few more seasons, but having it set in the future with subtle connections to the old series is so much more interesting
 
MAYBE MAKO IS AMON'S SON AND HE'S THE ONE WHO BURNED HIS FACE OFF.

Tweest upon tweests.
 
Just watched the first three episodes.

And I'm still sitting here gasping. HOLY FFUUUUUUCCKKK!! That was. so. fantastic! Everything was awesome for me from the start, except for the voice acting which I thought was a little wonky at first, but it grew on me and now I like it a lot.

Republic City was breathtaking. The music is amazing and the 20s esque music fits in perfectly. I was a little taken aback by the cars and blimps and radio and stuff, but I suppose that they sort of already had those sorts of things in the first series. Nevertheless, the explosion of technology was pretty huge.

It's also pretty strange seeing how common lightning bending and metal bending are in Republic City. I mean, those techniques took a whole lot of discipline and training to achieve in A:TLA, but now it seems like just any firebender or earthbender can do those things. And the Chi blocking stuff is very common as well. I wonder if bloodbending is too?

Pro bending is awesome. I need a video game of it...STAT.

Seeing Katara as an old woman makes me :(

The characters are pretty decent so far. I really like Tenzin and his family. Korra seems cool, Mako is sort of a generic strong silent type, and Bolin seems a lot like Sokka. They're all likable, but they need some fleshing out.

Pabu is the new Momo and Naga is the new Appa. ^__^

I can't wait to see where it goes from here.
 
I can finally officially post this:

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Dance off!
 
seems my theory of "Amon is everyone" is getting stronger in here :p


We should get some answers soon enough since not much filler is in this season plus its nice to know that it was all written by the 2 creators themselves.
 
I just saw the episode 4 preview, lol.
Korra doesn't exactly come up with the best plans. Sir, I challenge you to a duel!
 
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