CornBurrito
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Not really.
1. Naga chased them off at the end.
2. Motorcycle trix
3. She hit some dude in the middle of his speech when he wasn't looking and was unaware of her presence.
She didn't "destroy them quite handily" at all.
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Not really.
1. Naga chased them off at the end.
2. Motorcycle trix
3. She hit some dude in the middle of his speech when he wasn't looking and was unaware of her presence.
She didn't "destroy them quite handily" at all.
MetalGuardian
Banned
Do you guys think there is any chance of this show being extended beyond its currently scheduled 26 episode run? I know originally it was going to just be a mini-series. While I would love for this series to continue forever, if they can only get 26 quality episodes out of the universe without beginning to milk it, then I'd much rather them go that route. I love it when an entire series has artistic integrity and doesn't sell out
Guilt by association is a fallacy. The people who commit it are in the wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
There is no evidence that they were guarding anything unscrupulous
No, Bolin was unsure because he was wondering if they were, then Shady Slim told him that the gig wasn't crooked in any way. Then he flashed the money. As far as we know, bolin saw what was usually a bad crowd offering honest work and, honestly, there is nothing suggesting that they weren't telling the truth. Your only argument is that it's morally wrong to work with criminals on principle, but I already said I disagree with that argument.
You still know what the consequences could be, even if what your doing is stupid.
That Amon and the Equalists doing is pretty fucked up is pretty obvious if you ask me.
Of course their argument is very iffy in parts. In the end their message is bending has to go, for whatever reason you cna come up with.
If you work as a security for a gang, you know it could get dangerous. Hell, if you work as a security for anything, you endanger yourself. Bolin knew that
Okay, I'm confused, because I was pretty sure that I was arguing against the notion that Bolin did something morally wrong or abused his bending and that the Equalists were right for wanting to take away his bending.
I'm not arguing that what bolin did wasn't stupid or that there would be security detail if there wasn't a threat of violence.
Probably depends what nick does and IF they have a good story to tella fter the initial 26 episodes. I want them to do what they think is right and not let them get pressured into doing more if they don't want to.
I don't think Bolin really though that far ahead about the offer. His train of thought was probably something like "okay, I can score some money out of this, cushy job, just tell people to mind their business and move on if they come snooping around, if things get hot I bail out". I doubt he would've even been willing to get into a fight if it came down to it.
It's not like he decided that today he was going to cast aside his morals and embark on a life of crime.
It's not like he decided that today he was going to cast aside his morals and embark on a life of crime.
Infinite Justice
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Nick might do it if it gets popular and the creators are cool with it.
And apparently Nick is now into the "smaller season" mindset so the eps are shorter (<15 rather than 20+) and the story consisting of a different problem the characters have to deal with.
This is a good point I haven't thought of. If he was planning on abandoning things if they got too hot, was he really still doing something wrong by associating himself with criminals? I guess you could say he is doing wrong by being dishonest, but if this is the case, he was not willing to help them in any way if his help was needed.
Probably partly my fault since I didn't follow the discussion since the evry beginning.
What Bolin did wasn't morally wrong per se but he know he would be better of not doing it, no matter what that guy said. He was fixated on the money.
And while the Equalists overall concern probably has a point, their actions and reasons for them is severely flawed.
More or less what I've been arguing. What bolin did was really idiotic, but some people seem to equate that with moral wrongness.
Makes me wonder who would come out on top - Equalists soldiers vs Dai Li agents...?
He was guarding a mafia boss. The mafia boss is unscrupulous. He was hired to act as security for a mafia. Even if they weren't doing anything unscrupulous at the moments Bolin was there, it's part of his job definition to expect that he could get into trouble. It is in no way similar to an innocent murder or robbery victim. I'm not saying it's right for Amon to take away Bolin's powers. I'm just objecting to the comparison to innocent murder or robbery victims
WrenchNinja
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You're missing out.
MidnightCowboy
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Exactly. He seriously needed the cash for the tournament and figured it would be some small time stuff. As someone said, he probably would have bailed if anything went down.
Already feeling like it. Didn't get a number of references in the first 3 episodes until I read some posts online that pointed them out.
Watched it again just now, and man is Amon one crazy son of a bitch.
His story is way too smooth and perfect and just works out for him, and he takes it as a reason why he is allowed to just take peoples bending away. Then he makes a smart move and chooses people from the triads as his first victim so it looks like he is actually doing a good thing for the world, which is in tone with his whole story.
The only thing he might actually be right about is that bending has been (at least partly) the cause of every bigger conflict in the past of the Avatar world. Still, his actions are in no way justifiable.
His story is way too smooth and perfect and just works out for him, and he takes it as a reason why he is allowed to just take peoples bending away. Then he makes a smart move and chooses people from the triads as his first victim so it looks like he is actually doing a good thing for the world, which is in tone with his whole story.
The only thing he might actually be right about is that bending has been (at least partly) the cause of every bigger conflict in the past of the Avatar world. Still, his actions are in no way justifiable.
AceBandage
Banned
It isn't the cause of the conflict, it's simply an excellerant.
Rather, conflicts are all born from a single thing. Greed.
Land, money, women, food.
People always want more of what they don't have, or even more of what they do have.
Bending isn't the cause, simply a tool.
MidnightCowboy
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The shock rods are cool weapons, especially for this show. Allows for weapons to make contact, unlike all the swords in TLA.
The president also needs security detail. Does that mean it's his security's guilty of something if they die because someone else attacks them?
Edit: I think your arguing that Bolin has some RESPONSIBILITY for his position, which I agree to. But that doesn't not make him guilty of any wrongdoing so far.
You are right, I should have phrased it differently. They were at the center of all the bigger conflicts and are in part reason why something like the superiority of the Fire Nation during the 100 year war could happen.
Without bending there still would have been weapons, but I doubt conflicts would have been on the same scale with just them.
AceBandage
Banned
Our own history says otherwise.
Even long before we had modern weapons, we had giant armies and nations that ravaged most of the world.
Blaming the tool used in the conflict is foolish.
However, Amon is smart in that there are likely more non-benders than benders, and that he can appeal to a large mass of people who feel powerless by placing the blame on bending, rather than on individuals. And people buy that. They are quick to blame something they can not understand or can not use.
That's basically what I was getting at. He perfectly understands his "target demographic" and captures them. I still believe he will have some other motive than just to achieve equality. That's way to clean cut.
I'm not sure we can completely compare the Avatar world to our world. If something like magic existed in our world, who knows how it would have been used and how it would have influenced wars.
Well assisting or working for a gang is probably wrong. Whether it is worthy of any punishment depends on your perspective but at the very least it is asking for trouble.
AceBandage
Banned
Bolin was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
He may not be guilty of anything, but it doesn't matter. He knew where he was and what could happen, and was stupid enough to go anyway.
He may not be guilty of anything, but it doesn't matter. He knew where he was and what could happen, and was stupid enough to go anyway.
... The president is not the same as a mafia boss. One is a legal elected position and the other one is not. I'm not arguing about guilty of wrong doing or whatever it is that you arguing with the other guys. I just want you to understand that being a Bolin is not a victim in the same way as an innocent murder or robbery victim.
The person who is being protected doesn't matter. It could be a mafia boss, a president, a witness in a protection program, a paranoid nut, anyone, it doesn't matter because, presuming that the person in question is not doing anything unscrupulous at that time, Bolin is not complicating himself in any kind of wrongdoing. That makes him as innocent as any robbery victim. That it's a mafia boss means nothing except that there is a higher chance of something unscrupulous happening, but you can't judge someone on probability. The president may very well be doing something behind closed doors, people who want to kill him might be justified, but until the security detail is complicit in some wrongdoing, they are innocent.
I'd call it a bad idea because it's risky and dangerous, but nothing inherently wrong about it.
AceBandage
Banned
Mako: Let's solve this mystery and find my brother.
Korra:
I CAN'T READ
Sounds about right.
Yes it matters. Bolin could be charged as an accessory. It's definitely not the same as protecting the President or being part of the White Lotus.
I'm not talking about the legality of it but you think there is nothing inherently wrong with providing security for a gang?
I'm mining tumblr for gold
I hate tumblr, they always manage to have porn mixed in with pretty much everything.
I'm filtering for you benders
AceBandage
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I actually had a similar thought, but Bolin would certainly not be in on it.
No, you see, this is what I'm getting at. He is innocent because, as far as we know, no crime has been committed, not even on part of the Triad guy. You are presuming something has happened, but you have no evidence for it. For all we know, the guy could have seriously just been paranoid and been going about doing normal things while having Bolin and Shim guard him. If a crime has happened, that's a different ball game altogether, but we don't know that one took place, or if it did, what the nature of it was. So if you don't even know what you'd charge the TTT guy with in the time that bolin was guarding him, he cannot possibly be an accessory the presumed crime.
Not if they are not doing any wrong activities while I'm guarding them.
Again I'm not talking about the legality of it. Bolin obviously knew it was a gang and he knows what kind of stuff a gang does. They kill people, sell drugs, victimize people, fuck shit up generally speaking. There is something morally wrong about helping people like that for some extra cash. Also providing security for a gang could have easily resulted in him getting killed in a turf war.
CornBurrito
Member
Amon can see the future and knew Bolin would escape!
I peek in here from time to time to see if the discussion is still going on somehow, then silently take my leave
bring back shipping, I say
yeah what a boring fucking thing to talk about when there was awesome music and choreography and editing and directing going on in that episode.
If it had been the police instead of Amon who decided to raid Triple Threat Triad at that moment, would Bolin be arrested and processed or would he not be picked up with the rest?
QueenOfThorns
Member
He made a mistake. The show said he made a mistake. It was a stupid thing to do and he almost suffered the consequences--hence the rescue! I don't understand why this is a big thing.
Let's talk about shipping. It's a much lighter and less controversial subject. I think it would be awesome if Korra was gay. Or if Lin were gay. I want someone to be gay. Make it happen, Nickelodeon.
Let's talk about shipping. It's a much lighter and less controversial subject. I think it would be awesome if Korra was gay. Or if Lin were gay. I want someone to be gay. Make it happen, Nickelodeon.
Typographenia
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Just finally got around to watching all three episodes today. Oh man. Oh man!
I knew I missed Avatar, but I didn't realize how much. I got chills within the first few seconds of the start.
The setting is amazing, the characters (though a little recycled of the first series) are really enjoyable and fun, the music is phenomenal, the art direction is amazing, and the choreography is still mind blowing. I'm really, really digging everything they're doing, and the premise is far more interesting than what I could have guessed they'd come up with.
I'm so psyched for this series, but I'll probably avoid this thread like the plague, for the most part. I over exposed myself during the final episodes of season 2 and all of season 3 to the point of where I was no longer enjoying the episodes as much. I'll probably pop in once in a while, but I won't be a regular, likely.
Korra is amazing. Can't wait for more. : D
I knew I missed Avatar, but I didn't realize how much. I got chills within the first few seconds of the start.
The setting is amazing, the characters (though a little recycled of the first series) are really enjoyable and fun, the music is phenomenal, the art direction is amazing, and the choreography is still mind blowing. I'm really, really digging everything they're doing, and the premise is far more interesting than what I could have guessed they'd come up with.
I'm so psyched for this series, but I'll probably avoid this thread like the plague, for the most part. I over exposed myself during the final episodes of season 2 and all of season 3 to the point of where I was no longer enjoying the episodes as much. I'll probably pop in once in a while, but I won't be a regular, likely.
Korra is amazing. Can't wait for more. : D
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