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[The Elite]

Again he isn't the reason people went to see The Avengers. Call me when he makes an original IP released in the summer that grosses $292,576,195. It will never happen.

It's funny that people still make statements like this. Someone had a post with a shit-ton of naysayers saying he couldn't make The Avengers work, but he did. He's, in part, responsible for this success. I absolutely believe he can do the same with his own IP.

As much as people don't want to believe it, Whedon is responsible for making The Avengers work. I think he's completely capable of developing an original IP and making bank at this point.

 

[planar1280]

Without 3D, TDKR has no chance of breaking this.

thats true, even if TDKR will heavily rely on IMAX viewing but not enough theaters to make an impact.

 

[rollingstart]

If no shitty 3D conversion means TDKR doesn't break any records, I'm 100% fine with that. I'm sure WB isn't, but I don't give a shit about their financial success.

yeah, I didn't like that I couldn't find a 2D IMAX showing of The Avengers. I ended up seeing it in a regular theater. But it'll make a difference in how much these movies make.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Oh please..... give me a freaking break. Next to noone thought this guy could deliver with this movie. Then he goes out and sets the opening record, and all of a sudden its "nothing" because its not a new IP.

It wasn't because of him. This is all Kevin Feige's baby. Him and Disney planned this from the start. They know exactly what they were doing setting up this movie. Give him the credit he deserves. The way Marvel put this together is going to be a class in Marketing and Business within 20 years.

 

[border]

"The $200 million opening weekend is just like Sasquatch, it's something I thought I would never actually see," says Paul Dergarabedian, box office analyst for Hollywood.com. "This is the four-minute mile at the box office, a mark I never thought we'd see broken."

How can someone who calls themselves a box office analyst say something so stupendously dumb?

Even if you remotely follow this stuff, it should seem obvious that opening weekends are only going to get progressively bigger and bigger due to inflation of currency and inflation of ticket prices. I fully expect to see a 400 million dollar opening weekend in my lifetime.

 

[Tron 2.0]

People need to stop prognosticating. Shit's getting embarrassing.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

We live in a world now where:

1. An Avengers film has been made.
2. It is a fucking amazing film.
3. It's probably going to break the $1B barrier.
4. Joss Whedon is one of the most successful writers, and directors in the world right now.


Unbelievable. Truly.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

He isn't the main reason but he is the reason they loved it and it has gotten amazing WoM. I know you will just give all the credit to Feige.

Whedon's name had next to no pull in getting people into their seats for this movie. But it was how good of a job that he did with this that is getting people coming back and why it is huge. Whedon deserves tons of praise for Avengers, as does Feige. But neither one deserves all the credit.

 

[DMczaf]

I would say Feige was 1000000x more important to this opening weekend than Whedon was. Whedon will have been the main reason this has legs after this, but it was Marvel/Feige over the last 4 years that built this hype. Of course we had to go through a ton of mediocre single movies to get here because of Feige, but we don't ask how hot dogs are made either!

 

[artist]

Too bad we don't get admission numbers for America, that'd be interesting to see.

Here you go:

TDKR can get there but with more shows. Avengers wasnt the widest release and the number of midnight shows scheduled were pathetic - they didnt expect midnight sellouts as much and didnt schedule 2/3am shows until the last moment.

 

[7Th]

It wasn't because of him. This is all Kevin Feige's baby. Him and Disney planned this from the start. They know exactly what they were doing setting up this movie. Give him the credit he deserves. The way Marvel put this together is going to be a class in Marketing and Business within 20 years.

The fact that the movie turned out fun and is getting great WoM isn't helping the numbers at all?

 

[Barack Lesnar]

I had to post some of these

I can't see avengers doing more than 120 opening weekend.

Tracking has it breaking 150, but I think that's too optimistic.

I'd bet on 120-130.

LMFAO at The Avengers opening at 200 million. No way bro. I hope that shit underperforms and kills the superhero movie genre. Seriously though, I am riding on Spiderman and Avengers under performing and Rises being a disappointment. It's different when Green Lantern and an X-Men don't too so hot but those three? Shit will get real.

Too bad the superhero genre is getting replaced by fairy tale films. At least it is something new though.

200M is a bigger dream than an under 100M opening.

Avengers won't do shit. I'm calling 70ish opening, and that's being nice.

Oh man, these are classic. Any of you guys wanna come forward and eat your crow?

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

Without 3D, TDKR has no chance of breaking this.

I'M KILLING YOU AND TAKING OVER THE KANE KLIQUE

 

[mjc]

It wasn't because of him. This is all Kevin Feige's baby. Him and Disney planned this from the start. They know exactly what they were doing setting up this movie. Give him the credit he deserves. The way Marvel put this together is going to be a class in Marketing and Business within 20 years.

You're totally right. Whedon had absolutely nothing to do with the movie. He just showed up while they were filming play around with props between shots.

 

[The Elite]

It wasn't because of him. This is all Kevin Feige's baby. Him and Disney planned this from the start. They know exactly what they were doing setting up this movie. Give him the credit he deserves. The way Marvel put this together is going to be a class in Marketing and Business within 20 years.

He directed the fucking film!

If this film had sucked and had shitty word of mouth killing the B.O. numbers you would have been the first one in here saying its Whedon's fault. Now that the film is a success it shouldn't be attributed to Whedon?

The fuck?

 

[Tookay]

This topic is going to be hilarious to revisit in three months time.

 

[jett]

Here you go:

TDKR can get there but with more shows. Avengers wasnt the widest release and the number of midnight shows scheduled were pathetic - they didnt expect midnight sellouts as much and didnt schedule 2/3am shows until the last moment.

estimations from BOM? meh

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

So Firefly...?

 

[Manmademan]

It's funny that people still make statements like this. Someone had a post with a shit-ton of naysayers saying he couldn't make The Avengers work, but he did. He's, in part, responsible for this success. I absolutely believe he can do the same with his own IP.

As much as people don't want to believe it, Whedon is responsible for making The Avengers work. I think he's completely capable of developing an original IP and making bank at this point.

I think you're arguing two different things.

Whedon is the reason Avengers worked. Bar none. it's extremely character driven and it's success rode completely on the dialogue and direction.

HOWEVER- Joss Whedon isn't a household name, or even a notable director like Nolan and Cameron are. No one is going to see this because its "a joss whedon film" and Cabin in the Woods is a case in point- that movie was OUTSTANDING but grossed 30 millionish in several weeks. Avengers did that in a couple of hours.

 

[Attackthebase]

Nolan don't give a shit about money. He wants to make his own movies. Guy is his own man. Joss will never have the pull (or balls) Nolan has.

Bolded is hilarious. Whedon is an egocentric maniac and cocky as shit. Angel got cancelled because he was too ballsy (and douchey) about it being renewed. I love Whedon to death, but he is his own worst enemy at times.

 

[The Elite]

This topic is going to be hilarious to revisit in three months time.

DC vs. Marvel transcends all.

I think you're arguing two different things.

Whedon is the reason Avengers worked. Bar none. it's extremely character driven and it's success rode completely on the dialogue and direction.

HOWEVER- Joss Whedon isn't a household name, or even a notable director like Nolan and Cameron are. No one is going to see this because its "a joss whedon film" and Cabin in the Woods is a case in point- that movie was OUTSTANDING but grossed 30 millionish in several weeks. Avengers did that in a couple of hours.

At what point did Nolan become a household name? Memento got him off the ground but I'd say Batman Begins was the film that made him a name. Why can't it be the same for Joss? There's no reason he can't spin this into personal success.

 

[DMeisterJ]

:bow Whedon. :bow

Avengers was amazing and deserves the success and records. Ready for Avengers 2 whenever.

 

[TheKaeptain]

The fact that the movie turned out fun and is getting great WoM isn't helping the numbers at all?

We won't know that until next weekend.

 

[TDK Rises]

Whedon's name isn't the reason Avengers did well, but everyone for damn sure knows who he is now. DKR sold out NYC and CA IMAX's just by the sneak peek of the prologue. It will be a hype train, and if the reviews are what they should be, then that's where the FUN begins.

 

[apana]

I have a feeling Batman will still win the box office warz but whatever, I didn't predict low numbers for the Avengers. I'm watching Dark Knight Rises because I love the Batman films and think they are incredible, not because I care which superhero fandom is on top.

 

[Diprosalic]

We won't know that until next weekend.

it's already in it's second week WW. and balling.

 

[Manmademan]

DC vs. Marvel transcends all.

The second a DC vs Marvel movie actually happens, the box office would implode into a profit singularity, annihilating all other films.

Sadly, no more DC v Marvel crossovers will ever happen. ever.

edit: i would give my right testicle for a Batman/Iron Man crossover film

 

[SoulPlaya]

I'M KILLING YOU AND TAKING OVER THE KANE KLIQUE

You can try Geek, but I wear the mask in this family!

 

[MrPink93485]

Here you go:

TDKR can get there but with more shows. Avengers wasnt the widest release and the number of midnight shows scheduled were pathetic - they didnt expect midnight sellouts as much and didnt schedule 2/3am shows until the last moment.

I'm not sure that's actually right though, because it's only dividing gross by average ticket price, which is obviously skewed by those films which release only in 2D and etc. Nonetheless, I'm guessing Avengers probably did top TDK in admissions after all.

 

[Alrus]

Amazing numbers, now all I need is Battleship and MiB3 bombing really badly and I'll be super happy.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

To be honest, I don't think Nolan was a household name either before TDK.
All Whedon and co. have to do to milk his name is put ''From the director and writer of Avengers..'' on everything- And you'll have audiences in the seats just as they had them in the seats when Nolan's Inception was released.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

So Firefly...?

Is still overrated and had a second shot at life that did not catch on.

It is dead. Be happy that it even got a second chance.

 

[Attackthebase]

The second a DC vs Marvel movie actually happens, the box office would implode into a profit singularity, annihilating all other films.

Sadly, no more DC v Marvel crossovers will ever happen. ever.

We also thought an Avengers film would never be made too. Believe!

I'm really happy for Joss' success. I hope he returns to the realm of television, since I have adored all of his shows (well, Dollhouse, I had some issues with, but I enjoyed it overall).

 

[DMczaf]

So Firefly...?

Is still shit.

Just like Spider-Man 3 didn't magically turn Spider-Man 1 and 2 into crap, The Avengers didn't magically turn Whedon's previous crap into gold.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Is still shit.

Just like Spider-Man 3 didn't magically turn Spider-Man 1 and 2 into crap, The Avengers didn't magically turn Whedon's previous crap into gold.

Word.

 

[The Elite]

I like FireFly, it's just the rabid fanbase that drives me nuts.

 

[border]

No one is going to see this because its "a joss whedon film" and Cabin in the Woods is a case in point- that movie was OUTSTANDING but grossed 30 millionish in several weeks. .

Even if you ignore that CABIN was a low-budget horror movie that is totally inappropriate to compare to a tentpole summer blockbuster like AVENGERS, it wasn't "a Joss Whedon film" either.

 

[Manmademan]

To be honest, I don't think Nolan was a household name either before TDK.
All Whedon and co. have to do to milk his name is put ''From the director and writer of Avengers..'' on everything- And you'll have audiences in the seats just as they had them in the seats when Nolan's Inception was released.

Nolan got a lot of positive word of mouth for resurrecting the Batman franchise from the dead with Batman Begins. Considering what Joel Schumacher had done to Batman prior to that, fans were drooling at the mouth to see what the followup would be- and that was before Ledger bit it.

He definitely wasn't where whedon was coming into avengers.

That being said, from this point on you will most certainly see Whedon milking his avengers cred on anything and everything he does. You'd be insane not to.

Even if you ignore that CABIN was a low-budget horror movie that is totally inappropriate to compare to a tentpole summer blockbuster like AVENGERS, it wasn't "a Joss Whedon film" either.

Whedon co-wrote that film, his name (and dialogue quirks) are all over it. It's not really a horror movie, either- any more than something like Army of Darkness is. Regardless, if Joss Whedon's name alone had the pull to bring audiences in, it would have performed better than it did. As it is, it was overlooked, and criminally so despite extremely positive reviews.

 

[Tookay]

DC vs. Marvel transcends all.

Unfortunately. Avengers and TDKR are like apples and oranges, we shouldn't even have to be comparing them.

 

[3N16MA]

Nolan and Snyder will get that Justice League film off the ground.

 

[Dany]

TDK BO was before the international market went crazy no?

 

[apana]

To be honest, I don't think Nolan was a household name either before TDK.
All Whedon and co. have to do to milk his name is put ''From the director and writer of Avengers..'' on everything- And you'll have audiences in the seats just as they had them in the seats when Nolan's Inception was released.

I think Whedon will be much more succesful now but not to that extent, Avengers really was all about the characters and the devotion people have to them as a group that I never saw with any of the characters as individuals. He capitalized on that potential by making a very fun and watchable film, the best Marvel film yet in my opinion.

 

[ana]

Why does it have to be a competition..
Anyway good for anyone involved

 

[TheKaeptain]

You're totally right. Whedon had absolutely nothing to do with the movie. He just showed up while they were filming play around with props between shots.

He directed the fucking film!

If this film had sucked and had shitty word of mouth killing the B.O. numbers you would have been the first one in here saying its Whedon's fault. Now that the film is a success it shouldn't be attributed to Whedon?

The fuck?

He directed a highly controlled series that would make Producers from the studio era of Hollywood feel like they had no control over their movies. For fuck sakes look at the Jon Favreau. He left because he didn't like knowing what was going to happen in these movies because the way Marvel is having everything connect and how much control they have over them. You guys are giving him too much credit.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

The meltdown of CaptYamato

 

[MrPink93485]

TDK BO was before the international market went crazy no?

I would say so, yes.

 

[Tobor]

To be honest, I don't think Nolan was a household name either before TDK.
All Whedon and co. have to do to milk his name is put ''From the director and writer of Avengers..'' on everything- And you'll have audiences in the seats just as they had them in the seats when Nolan's Inception was released.

I'm counting on it. Go look at a poster for The Prestige. It says "From the director of Batman Begins and Memento" right at the top.

 

[3N16MA]

TDK BO was before the international market went crazy no?

OS audience loves 3D.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Even if you ignore that CABIN was a low-budget horror movie that is totally inappropriate to compare to a tentpole summer blockbuster like AVENGERS, it wasn't "a Joss Whedon film" either.

But Cabin in the Woods was marketed as a Joss Whedon product. That is the key difference that many are trying to make.

 

[TheKaeptain]

it's already in it's second week WW. and balling.

Battleship made money overseas.