twinturbo2
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Tesla Model S deliveries begin on June 22nd. I feel a paradigm shift coming in terms of electric cars. This is going to be a game changer.
More info here.
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Tesla Model S deliveries begin on June 22nd. I feel a paradigm shift coming in terms of electric cars. This is going to be a game changer.
More info here.
Absolutely scathing review of the Fisker Karma's infotainment system. I cannot believe how awful this thing is. For a car that seems to be focused on technology I'm surprised they would release the car with such terrible software.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8MqjagHu8&feature=relmfu
Also of note; the owner was almost in an accident when the mirrors mistakenly retracted on the highway while trying to avoid debris.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK8MqjagHu8&feature=relmfu
Also of note; the owner was almost in an accident when the mirrors mistakenly retracted on the highway while trying to avoid debris.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Between this, the garage fire, and Consumer Reports having their example die on them, you could say that Fisker...
:glasses on:
...has bad karma.
David Incorporated Esq.
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That's because it is. I'm all about sports cars out on the road but I wish there were progressive licensing to use more powerful vehicles.
Maybe just a single test: Launch this Z06 at full throttle without hitting the car next to you.
Diseased Yak
Gold Member
Yeah. My next car. Just as soon as I find one local in the color I want and after I move. Probably this fall or next spring.
Will be sad to see my 2011 GT/CS go, because it's fun as fuck to drive, but really now.
33-Hit-Combo
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Had a go in a Jaguar XJ V8SC today, it's pretty mental. The car is ridiculously fast and delivers the power so smoothly!
Do you guys ever see these in America?
Do you guys ever see these in America?
Liquidsnake
Banned
I had my 2nd driving lesson today, and I seem to be getting the hang of it!
I hated the first lesson, but I'm actually starting to really enjoy it now. Also whether or not she was lying to me, she said I was a natural and would probably need less lessons.
Keep practicing. The more experience you get behind the wheel the better you will become.
Those driving lessons are worth the time.
Good luck.
Thanks man.
I'm really starting to enjoy it, and I'm finally getting used to the clutch.
It certainly feels less alien behind the wheel than the first time.
Pretty much. You have to give a car respect when it's due, and the GT 500, it's due. Is the interior the same fit/finish/quality that you see in a BMW or Audi for same ballpark figures? Nope. But the money went into that in those cars instead of insane performance like what happened here. Too each their own though.
MiniBossBattle
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I guess one of the parents at my daughter's daycare has a new Alpine B7. It may be the same kid whose grandma drives a 911 GT3.
Not that I'm hating on the Mustang but for the money you could get a CTS-V which I'd take over the Mustang.
Well, there is a bit of a price difference between the two. Something GM must be counting on, because otherwise why would anyone buy a Camaro ZL1?
Looks and brand loyalty, which runs strong in the "American-only" buyers. Even if they're not big GM fans, they may be a Camaro-person, or just like the looks of it more so.
One of the sloppiest stock shifters I ever felt. No reason for a car that much to have a shifter that horrible that you have to get an aftermarket upgrade kit of some sort immediately. Besides, a Caddy interior isn't something to really write home about either compared to Euro counterparts. You can get a CTS-V, but you won't get that monster V8 in the GT 500, so it goes both ways.
shinshoryuken
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There's always the "for that money I could get a *insert car here*" its all preference... But it's always good to have a choice and to some that mustang is a dream.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's an apples to oranges comparison. I guess they're both fruit.
Yeah, certainly. And I suppose with the higher horsepower rating and the upgraded MRC technology, the ZL1 is a better performer than the Caddy.
I think I could live with only 556 hp.
Alfa and Mazda to build new roadster in 2015
This could be amazing.
This could be amazing.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Oh hell yes.
I think a lot of us can live with that much heh. My Evo's in a conservative tune right now at 400hp for example, and it's hard to picture having 262hp more than this.
With the ZL1, I think I'd go with that instead of the CTS-Vs at this point. The interior on them didn't feel that great at all, and I think there's many Japanese cars that feel better inside for far less money, and the shifter on those CTS-Vs were garbage last I played around with one at the NYAS still. I'd hope the ZL1's shifter is much tighter.
David Incorporated Esq.
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But then you would have to be comfortable and sit in a nicely appointed cockpit.
Perhaps. I still like the way the V's interior looks over the Camaro's, though they have done some things to improve the Camaro's interior since it came out. I tend to not really care what something is made out of if I'm not touching it, as long as it doesn't rattle or squeak. Not sure about the shifter. I've driven the CTS-V sedan and wagon, but both were automatic. When I was at the Atlanta Auto show, I didn't think to try out shifters.
In the end, though, I don't think the interior would be the thing that would sway me either way. It would be the Camaro's visibility issues, as well as its crappy back seat and trunk. With the CTS-V, I'd probably be looking at the wagon first, then the sedan. A ZL1 vs. CTS-V coupe decision would be harder. Not that I'm looking to spend that much money on a car anyway. For me personally, I'd be looking in the Camaro SS price range, and I'd probably take the Challenger R/T over it. I very nearly did choose between those two, but couldn't bring myself to spend the money.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Yes, they are available here. I test drove the naturally aspirated V8 one on a launch event here. I was not quite as impressed as I thought I'd be. It's a big car, so I thought the V8 there couldn't do anything more than a good V6 in my smaller car already does. They didn't have SC one available at the time though.
Car looked great inside and out though, and was certainly more sporty than what you'd expect from a car that big. Kinda of a small thing, but I really didn't like the display gauges. The LCD they used for them just didn't feel all that high quality, looked as if they were printed on some cheap paper or something.
Says that also comes 2015.
I believe I've seen a couple.
Well not accounting for taste, it's spectacular. I don't like new cars though, so I'd just put 'the money' into making an older car faster. Again, no accounting for taste.
Too expensive.
Sidebar: anyone have opinions on light flywheels, ever driven in a car before/after installing one? Impressions?
LOL I suppose but I find the interior of the CTS-V to be good enough for me. I just need it to be functional and comfortable I don't care about looks all too much.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Right, so you're saying the Cadillac is the winner.
What's this infatuation that people have with driving their La-Z-Boy? It's not a hotel room, it's a car!
This wasn't any funnier the first time you said it!
Truth.
What can I say? I like being comfortable. You telling me this doesn't look inviting?
And anyway, the CTS's seats aren't particularly comfortable. The Recaro seats in the V probably are once you everything adjusted right. They'll do their job, anyway.
PseudoKirby
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That looks similar to the interior of my first car
1983 Pontiac Grand Prix. 2 door RWD V8
1983 Pontiac Grand Prix. 2 door RWD V8
The Bookerman
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I don't like mustangs. I personally think there are better cars for the same amount of money. American cars I mean. For Instance the CTS-V. Maybe it's because I fear that a 55k car with 600hp will torque steer me into a tree.(I kid 
)
Seriously, last time I jumped into a mustang, I felt intimidated. Hell I sat in an aston martin dbs and I didn't feel that way. I dunno.
)Seriously, last time I jumped into a mustang, I felt intimidated. Hell I sat in an aston martin dbs and I didn't feel that way. I dunno.
What can I say? I like being comfortable. You telling me this doesn't look inviting?
Oh god. It looks like it should be floating in a pool.
...I don't understand a word of this.
Sometimes it feels like it is. It's over 19 feet long so handling is...interesting.
AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
Can somebody tell me what this is? It pulled up next to me...I saw Mclaren on the side, but then there were also some type of stickers. And it didn't look like any Mclaren Benz I've seen before. I don't remember Benz Mclaren looking like this, but I could be wrong. Dude also had a helmet looking thing on lol. Soon as he went under the freeway a few blocks down he turned into the Benz dealership. Can also see that the plates are from overseas:
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Correct.
That's one extremely rare car to see on a street.
That's one extremely rare car to see on a street.
Viperbah
Member
Nice, they are already making 650 rwhp with just a tune, lol.
I might trade my current car in for one eventually. I like to mod my cars and the aftermarket for my car now is pretty shitty. Spend around 1000 bucks for a tune, exhaust and pulley on the GT500....guessing 670-700 rwhp
Man. You can't even drive something like that because when you break it, the world is lessened.
CrashPrime
Member
Well, I just went and purchased an engagement ring which totally burned my sports car fund.
I was ready to sign the papers on a '13 Mustang GT until last week. Now I am ~$5k less rich, and there is no way I'm adding that much to a car payment.
For ~$26,000 these are my options for buying new:
(order) 2013 Mustang V6 (Base) w/ Performance Pack (upgraded suspension, sticky summer tires)
-or-
(order) 2013 Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ (if allocations available, which I am thinking is VERY unlikely)
-or-
(order) 2013 Camaro 1LS/2LS
Does anyone have other recommendations?
I've test driven the Camaro in an automatic (2LS), and the Mustang GT in a 6MT. Obviously the Mustang had a pair of knots but it's been budget downgraded to the V6 now.
I was sort of impressed by the "i'm in a really different car" feel of the Camaro interior.
Is there even anything out there in the "daily driver sports car" category worth looking at beyond these 3? The WRX is still in MY 2012, and nothing has been discussed about the '13's it seems (not to mention I have a slight aversion to them just because the Impreza is so underwhelming, and this will inevitably be what people assume the car is).
I was ready to sign the papers on a '13 Mustang GT until last week. Now I am ~$5k less rich, and there is no way I'm adding that much to a car payment.
For ~$26,000 these are my options for buying new:
(order) 2013 Mustang V6 (Base) w/ Performance Pack (upgraded suspension, sticky summer tires)
-or-
(order) 2013 Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ (if allocations available, which I am thinking is VERY unlikely)
-or-
(order) 2013 Camaro 1LS/2LS
Does anyone have other recommendations?
I've test driven the Camaro in an automatic (2LS), and the Mustang GT in a 6MT. Obviously the Mustang had a pair of knots but it's been budget downgraded to the V6 now.
I was sort of impressed by the "i'm in a really different car" feel of the Camaro interior.
Is there even anything out there in the "daily driver sports car" category worth looking at beyond these 3? The WRX is still in MY 2012, and nothing has been discussed about the '13's it seems (not to mention I have a slight aversion to them just because the Impreza is so underwhelming, and this will inevitably be what people assume the car is).
U n i o n 0015
Member
Can somebody tell me what this is? It pulled up next to me...I saw Mclaren on the side, but then there were also some type of stickers. And it didn't look like any Mclaren Benz I've seen before. I don't remember Benz Mclaren looking like this, but I could be wrong. Dude also had a helmet looking thing on lol. Soon as he went under the freeway a few blocks down he turned into the Benz dealership. Can also see that the plates are from overseas:
Holy shit, now that's a rare sighting! There's only 75.
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