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[badcrumble]

I thought Steve hated styluses.

Which is why they should never, ever be included with the device itself; apps shouldn't be able to take for granted that the user has a stylus, because for the majority of uses, the simplicity of using your fingers is superior. But for drawing apps and such, a stylus is obviously handy; Apple might as well come up with a standard stylus accessory and make some money off of that.

 

[Divvy]

Barf, fuck stylus' (styli?). That goes against the design concept of the iPhone. Maybe for the 7 inch iPad, but for iPhones? No thank you.

I'm totally game for a larger screen though. Pretty excited.

Clearly it wouldn't be meant to be used on a 3.5-4 inch screen. That would be so hilariously pointless.

I thought Steve hated styluses.

The old Steve is dead. Long live the Cook.

 

[Treefingers]

Cook is better.

 

[noah111]

You don't think an accessory is happneing? Just a matter of time really.

It's not anywhere near as definitive as I think you're thinking.. Again, that patent means absolutely nothing in reality. It's up in the air if they'd ever put in place a universal standard for the 3rd party stylus makers to use. There's a few different technologies out there right atm, with each only supporting a handful of apps. Apple could put it in the SDK or something, for a specific tech to take advantage of. But that would probably lead to an official stylus as well.

Either way, keep dreaming.

Cook is better.

As a CEO perhaps, but he wouldn't mean dick if Apple's culture wasn't what it is today, which is due solely to Jobs. The transition to Cook as been perfect, he'll do excellent I think.

 

[andycapps]

Which is why they should never, ever be included with the device itself; apps shouldn't be able to take for granted that the user has a stylus, because for the majority of uses, the simplicity of using your fingers is superior. But for drawing apps and such, a stylus is obviously handy; Apple might as well come up with a standard stylus accessory and make some money off of that.

I don't see specific support being built into the OS for an optional accessory. Best way to encourage developers to use a feature is to pack it into the console/device. They could add the stylus as a thing that's completely flush with the device but comes out via a switch like the existing silent switch on the 4S.

 

[badcrumble]

I don't see specific support being built into the OS for an optional accessory. Best way to encourage developers to use a feature is to pack it into the console/device. They could add the stylus as a thing that's completely flush with the device but comes out via a switch like the existing silent switch on the 4S.

I don't think you'd want to encourage developers to use it, which is why it shouldn't be packed in with the device. Rather, you should recognize that some developers are going to develop apps that require a stylus, and that when and where that happens, your customers should have an official Apple option.

 

[Treefingers]

Yea I don't see stylus support as a sure thing at all - clearly it's possible and they must be exploring the idea but I don't think it's inevitable.

 

[Good Job Bob]

It's not anywhere near as definitive as I think you're thinking.. Again, that patent means absolutely nothing in reality. It's up in the air if they'd ever put in place a universal standard for the 3rd party stylus makers to use. There's a few different technologies out there right atm, with each only supporting a handful of apps. Apple could put it in the SDK or something, for a specific tech to take advantage of. But that would probably lead to an official stylus as well.

Either way, keep dreaming.


As a CEO perhaps, but he wouldn't mean dick if Apple's culture wasn't what it is today, which is due solely to Jobs. The transition to Cook as been perfect, he'll do excellent I think.

Saved.

I don't see specific support being built into the OS for an optional accessory. Best way to encourage developers to use a feature is to pack it into the console/device. They could add the stylus as a thing that's completely flush with the device but comes out via a switch like the existing silent switch on the 4S.

You don't want developers to use it.

You just want it for drawing/sketching apps like Procreate or Paper.

 

[Krev]

Which is why they should never, ever be included with the device itself; apps shouldn't be able to take for granted that the user has a stylus, because for the majority of uses, the simplicity of using your fingers is superior. But for drawing apps and such, a stylus is obviously handy; Apple might as well come up with a standard stylus accessory and make some money off of that.

You don't want developers to use it.

You just want it for drawing/sketching apps like Procreate or Paper.

Yep.

 

[andycapps]

You don't want developers to use it.

You just want it for drawing/sketching apps like Procreate or Paper.

When I say use, I mean support. It depends on if Apple envisions the stylus being something that masses should use, or if they just want it to appeal to graphic designer types.

 

[Talon]

Steve's point with styluses is that styluses as a primary form of input would be a failure.

That would be "blowing it."

 

[badcrumble]

When I say use, I mean support. It depends on if Apple envisions the stylus being something that masses should use, or if they just want it to appeal to graphic designer types.

I'm certain that it would be the latter. I don't see how it's even up for debate.

 

[noah111]

I'm certain that it would be the latter. I don't see how it's even up for debate.

The problem with that is Apple never makes something that they know will only appeal to a select few/niche market (iDevice wise). If they support something, they support it fully. No shortcuts.

That's why I doubt it'll happen.

 

[LCfiner]

First that tall display. Now a stylus patent?

Apple's trolling me.

 

[Kinitari]

I could have sworn half of you people getting all excited for the stylus were calling me crazy for guessing that the iPad3 might have an official (or rather, SHOULD have an official) stylus. Shenanigans!

 

[noah111]

I could have sworn half of you people getting all excited for the stylus were calling me crazy for guessing that the iPad3 might have an official (or rather, SHOULD have an official) stylus. Shenanigans!

Don't worry, you're still crazy to me.

 

[Marty Chinn]

First that tall display. Now a stylus patent?

Apple's trolling me.

Apple's doing it wrong?

 

[Blackhead]

First that tall display. Now a stylus patent?

Apple's trolling me.

This is not the first time Apple has filed a stylus patent.

 

[andycapps]

First that tall display. Now a stylus patent?

Apple's trolling me.

It does feel like bizarro world.

 

[KtSlime]

I thought Steve hated styluses.

He hated styli being required to use the device. They are easy to lose, and make it easy for developer to design interfaces that make it hard to navigate using your fingers. A stylus as an add-on accessory for professional artist is likely something he was never opposed to, however never had time to implement.

 

[Blackhead]

He hated styli being required to use the device. They are easy to lose, and make it easy for developer to design interfaces that make it hard to navigate using your fingers. A stylus as an add-on accessory for professional artist is likely something he was never opposed to, however never had time to implement.

*sigh* and you know how Steve Jobs really felt because?

 

[KtSlime]

*sigh* and you know how Steve Jobs really felt because?

I used the word 'likely' to show that I was inferring (though strongly) and not making an affirmative statement to his thoughts. No one does and no one will know what he ever truly thought. His reasons that he detailed in WWDC when introducing the iPhone were "Who wants a stylus, you have to get them and put them away, and you lose them... Yuck". His words have always been nuanced marketing - what he says are always to specific situations and products, rarely do they cover everything - Example: videos on iPod.

So I take it you think he really hated styli for ALL use-cases? Sorry, I think he was probably a smarter guy than that and believed in the right tool for the right job.

 

[Darkkn]

Funny how Samsung copied it's way to the top from Apple and now Samsung is proving that people like big screens and styluses for note taking and Apple following(maybe).

I think Wacom style stylus capability for screens should be just default for every device and people could just buy styluses separately if they want it. I'd love to have a proper stylus capable device, but there is not enough options yet.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

You guys should check out the long list of Apple patents that never went anywhere. Even the ones that you'd think were obvious next steps in their products.

 

[Blackhead]

I used the word 'likely' to show that I was inferring (though strongly) and not making an affirmative statement to his thoughts. No one does and no one will know what he ever truly thought. His reasons that he detailed in WWDC when introducing the iPhone were "Who wants a stylus, you have to get them and put them away, and you lose them... Yuck". His words have always been nuanced marketing - what he says are always to specific situations and products, rarely do they cover everything - Example: videos on iPod.

So I take it you think he really hated styli for ALL use-cases? Sorry, I think he was probably a smarter guy than that and believed in the right tool for the right job.

The same Steve Jobs that foolhardely stuck with one button mice for all those years? You're projecting. If Jobs believed in the styles then the tech would have been there from the getgo. It's always been feasible. It's more likely that it's similar to iTunes on Windows and any appearance of an Apple pen/stylus would be a grudging acceptance of the realities of the marketplace.

 

[KtSlime]

The same Steve Jobs that foolhardely stuck with one button mice for all those years? You're projecting. If Jobs believed in the styles then the tech would have been there from the getgo. It's always been feasible. It's more likely that it's similar to iTunes on Windows and any appearance of an Apple pen/stylus would be a grudging acceptance of the realities of the marketplace.

I think you are the one projecting. Jobs believed in the product that he was selling - nothing more, nothing less. Jobs was selling a device that had no stylus, in a market dominated by devices with styli - What could he say? What did you want him to say?

Liu Kang Baking A Pie: Yeah, I'm not nearly as good as I once was at calling Apple's future moves, however it does appear Apple (2.0) has always been a company that likes to keep its options open. I don't know if they will ever release a device with a stylus, or as an add-on, but I can see it happening if the market moves in that way, or if they think they can sell people on the idea.

Edit: Also, the tech was not there, and still isn't really there. The iPhone was a break form the prevalent resistive touchscreen technology, and could not support a stylus as we know it.

 

[Blackhead]

I think you are the one projecting. Jobs believed in the product that he was selling - nothing more, nothing less. Jobs was selling a device that had no stylus, in a market dominated by devices with styli - What could he say? What did you want him to say?

Edit: Also, the tech was not there, and still isn't really there. The iPhone was a break form the prevalent resistive touchscreen technology, and could not support a stylus as we know it.

When the iPad launched, the tech was there for a multitouch screen with a layer for pen input. And at the same event he treated Amazon and their eink Kindle with far great respect than he ever did styli/pens and netbooks.

 

[KtSlime]

When the iPad launched, the tech was there for a multitouch screen with a layer for pen input. And at the same event he treated Amazon and their eink Kindle with far great respect than he ever did styli/pens and netbooks.

The technology for a front facing camera was also existed at the release of the iPad, but we all know how that turned out...

 

[kehs]

Am I reading this right.

The tech for simultaneous touchscreen and proper stylus doesn't exist?

lol, I love pre-release apple threads..

 

[badcrumble]

Am I reading this right.

The tech for simultaneous touchscreen and proper stylus doesn't exist?

lol, I love pre-release apple threads..

Seriously. The tech exists, it's just that it's stupid to make a stylus the default input mechanism unless you're actually selling a Wacom tablet. The technology exists; Apple didn't include it because they have a sense of good design.

 

[KtSlime]

Am I reading this right.

The tech for simultaneous touchscreen and proper stylus doesn't exist?

lol, I love pre-release apple threads..

Maybe I am misremembering, but I don't think capacitive touchscreen that could also take fine point pressure sensitive stylus input existed for the production of a mass-market device. Am I wrong? Also, I see there are still problems with the various technologies. The Galaxy Note has way too long of lag for me to even consider using its stylus in any serious capacity.

Edit: I am referring to the time the iPhone was released, it exists now (but IMO still has much room for improvement).

 

[noah111]

Am I reading this right.

The tech for simultaneous touchscreen and proper stylus doesn't exist?

lol, I love pre-release apple threads..

:lol And this isn't even an iPad pre-release thread.

 

[Futureman]

was there any source on the web that said Apple increasing only the height of the display has been disproven?

I sometimes chat with this dude at work about Android/tech stuff and when I mentioned that rumor to him, he immediately was like, "NOPE, not true, it was already disproven!"

Pretty sure it wasn't, and I wonder why people make stuff up like that in their mind.

 

[Xun]

Yup, it's great to see these companies take pressure sensitive styluses seriously. When I complained about the lack of them in the ipad 3 reveal thread, people kept telling me that the artist demographic was too small for Apple to cater to. Glad to see that Apple is at least thinking about it.

Sucks for all the crappy stylus makers on kickstarter though, oops.

Definitely.

Apple could seriously entice a whole group of artists in with this thing.

Being able to make art using a stylus on it would be a real game changer.

 

[noah111]

Definitely.

Apple could seriously entice a whole group of artists in with this thing.

Being able to make art using a stylus on it would be a real game changer.

You act like there's no such thing third party styluses.

 

[Divvy]

You act like there's no such thing third party styluses.

They are terrible and don't work universally across all apps. What Apple could do is insure a standard that all art apps can adhere to.

 

[noah111]

They are terrible and don't work universally across all apps. What Apple could do is insure a standard that all art apps can adhere to.

How do you figure that? You're talking about the electronic attachment versions, not regular a stylus.

 

[Good Job Bob]

You act like there's no such thing third party styluses.

They sucks, man.

 

[Cheebo]

They sucks, man.

yYou need the Wacom Bamboo

 

[Shearie]

was there any source on the web that said Apple increasing only the height of the display has been disproven?

I sometimes chat with this dude at work about Android/tech stuff and when I mentioned that rumor to him, he immediately was like, "NOPE, not true, it was already disproven!"

Pretty sure it wasn't, and I wonder why people make stuff up like that in their mind.

That Chronic guy on Twitter that people seem to trust on Apple news is saying that the 16:9 4" iPhone screen is ABSOLUTELY 100% going to happen this year and says that he has personally seen proof of this.

 

[numble]

You act like there's no such thing third party styluses.

Those are not true styluses. Each app makes its own algorithm and technique for accepting stylus input, so results differ. A pressure sensitive one usually only works with the stylus manufacturer's app. A true stylus is made by the manufacturer and integrated natively in the OS. Nobody should bother with fake styluses made by third parties.

 

[Divvy]

Those are not true styluses. Each app makes its own algorithm and technique for accepting stylus input, so results differ. A pressure sensitive one usually only works with the stylus manufacturer's app. A true stylus is made by the manufacturer and integrated natively in the OS. Nobody should bother with fake styluses made by third parties.

Exactly.

 

[Tobor]

This thread took a turn for the boring with that stylus patent. Snoozearama.

We need something that's actually exciting to bitch about.

 

[noah111]

This thread took a turn for the boring with that stylus patent. Snoozearama.

We need something that's actually exciting to bitch about.

Tell me about it. I don't care enough about styluses to even try to prove it'll never happen.

Where dem leaks at.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Styli, elongated 4" screens, disappointment --- it's like I'm in an Android thread.

 

[Red]

Steve's point with styluses is that styluses as a primary form of input would be a failure.

That would be "blowing it."

Yes.

Apple has done well in creating natural, intuitive interfaces. A stylus would get in the way of that. You do things with your hands, not with an intermediary. But for drawing or taking handwritten notes? I would be for that.

Didn't Jobs once say that he was not against styli, only satisfied with the ten God has already given us?

 

[rozay]

yYou need the Wacom Bamboo

still horrible, god forbid you accidentally touch the screen with your hand while holding it.

I hope apple's stylus becomes a reality. Make it happen, Cook!

 

[badcrumble]

Definitely.

Apple could seriously entice a whole group of artists in with this thing.

Being able to make art using a stylus on it would be a real game changer.

Yeah just imagine if the iPad sold as well as Wacom tablets do.

 

[noah111]

Adding a stylus right now is just too soon. I mean, Jobs just died. Let him rest in peace for at least a year before you go step over his body.

Spoiler

lol

 

[Nemo]

How credible is the longer rumor still? Any new news out? My and my friend have a bet going (longer screen vs diagonally bigger) and I'm not so sure the longer screen thing is still true