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krypt0nian said:
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It seems like poster above sorted the quotes from impressed towards less impressed. The last three sound really bad though:

Top level visually but story is VERY badly treated: (? # Prometheus?
Well ... Very divided on leaving? # Prometheus? (am not the only) ... Criticism will not be easy to write :/ cc
Prometheus ?: long and boring, with all the clichés of science fiction scenario in which an ultra-awaited effort and credibility. big disappointment

Usually early reviews are much more favorable than the ones coming later too.
 
Lord Error said:
It seems like poster above sorted the quotes from impressed towards less impressed. The last three sound really bad though:

Top level visually but story is VERY badly treated: (? # Prometheus?
Well ... Very divided on leaving? # Prometheus? (am not the only) ... Criticism will not be easy to write :/ cc
Prometheus ?: long and boring, with all the clichés of science fiction scenario in which an ultra-awaited effort and credibility. big disappointment

Usually early reviews are much more favorable than the ones coming later too.
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Yeah, good call there.
 
Now that reviews are coming out, it's important to remind people Alien had quite a few terrible reviews when it came out. They criticized the characters and their lack of development and the cliche story that boiled down to a monster movie. They all praised the visuals though. These reviews seem to be history repeating itself. So don't take them too seriously. Judge the film for yourself and criticize it for what it is not for what you wanted it to be.
 
FoneBone said:
This is nonsense. The amount of "pop" has nothing to do with the projection technology.
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Bob pretty much nailed what I was saying. No one can view the same film with 15/70 IMAX 3D and RealD 3D and say they have same 3D effect. I don't have any experience with LieMAX (digital IMAX) but it seems that the 3D effect is the same as real IMAX. They are tuned to provide a different 3D experince and it's pretty apparent. Here is a quote from VP of technology at IMAX:

"Executive Vice President (Technology) of the Imax Corporation, Brian Bonnick, says that Imax Digital 3D movies "can appear in front of the screen" which may be more lifelike. He also credits Imax's "patented theater geometry", "proprietary wide-angle lenses" and brighter images for this effect."

Ashhong said:
Seriously, I have no idea what he's talking about when describing 3D visuals and just gave up. 70mm IMAX 3D < Digital IMAX aka LIEmax 3D. Sculli showed me the way, and if he wasn't on blackout from reviews he would slap enigma in the face.

IMAX 3D is worth the extra 2$ for the sound system alone.
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I never stated that 15/70 IMAX was better for this film. This is what I posted:

Real IMAX = 15/70 film, 3D effect pops out of the screen, provides the biggest image (most immersive) even when no IMAX filmed scenes are present, darker/not as sharp of an image with digital films.

LieMAX = Digital IMAX with digital projection, similar 3D effect to real IMAX, brighter/crisper picture when digital films are played, similar sound to real IMAX, smaller screen size than real IMAX.

I think you deserve a slap in the face for not reading :)

Good Job Bob said:
IMAX 3D is optimized for the image to pop-out like old 3D movies and RealD is optimized for the image to extend in and provide depth which is what modern 3D filmmakers use it for.
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Pretty much nailed it in terms of the differences. I have a feeling that some posters have not actually seen any films in both formats.



On a side note it's becoming difficult to post in here while skipping most of the posts. I might have to just leave.
 
Lord Error said:
It seems like poster above sorted the quotes from impressed towards less impressed. The last three sound really bad though:

Top level visually but story is VERY badly treated: (? # Prometheus?
Well ... Very divided on leaving? # Prometheus? (am not the only) ... Criticism will not be easy to write :/ cc
Prometheus ?: long and boring, with all the clichés of science fiction scenario in which an ultra-awaited effort and credibility. big disappointment

Usually early reviews are much more favorable than the ones coming later too.
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Well the first 2 are from the same person, and one of the quotes say "story is very badly treated" and the other "criticism will not be easy to write" ? If the story is so bad, criticism should be easy to write, no?

And then there is the "long and boring" criticsism that has been directed towards every movie in history by people with short attention spans. How long is Prometheus, not even 3 hours, right? Personally I hope they spend their time in Prometheus building up the story and the characters, just like they did in Alien. So I HOPE the add-crowd find it long and boring.
 
3N16MA said:
Bob pretty much nailed what I was saying. No one can view the same film with 15/70 IMAX 3D and RealD 3D and say they have same 3D effect.
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There are factors that can be affected by screen size, image quality, et cetera, but a difference in depth is down to the film itself (ie, which image goes to which eye), not the projection.
 
FoneBone said:
There are factors that can be affected by screen size, image quality, et cetera, but a difference in depth is down to the film itself (ie, which image goes to which eye), not the projection.
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I don't think they're talking about a difference in actual depth, but rather how the 3D projection works. In RealD screens, it's definitely a window inwards, because its a totally flat screen. Even if things are popping "out" in the film, it stills only pops out relative to the screen and feels distant. IMAX3D, at least the digital screen here, uses a slightly curved screen, and the projection is definitely different. There is more pop with a larger screen it really jumps at you even if you're sitting a few rows back.

I saw Transformers 3 both in RealD and in IMAX3D. The experience was pretty different even though it was the same film. The overall dimension between the objects presented don't change obviously, but what changes is how the audience perceives the depth with relation to the distance between the viewer and the screen. Oh and IMAX glasses are just so much more comfortable.
 
FoneBone said:
There are factors that can be affected by screen size, image quality, et cetera, but a difference in depth is down to the film itself (ie, which image goes to which eye), not the projection.
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Did you watch Avatar in both IMAX 3D and RealD 3D? My first viewing was with IMAX and everything in that film popped like crazy. I also viewed it in RealD and there was not nearly the same amount of pop. It's a pretty similar experience with many films and you will rarely see any RealD presented films pop from the screen.
 
pringles said:
Well the first 2 are from the same person, and one of the quotes say "story is very badly treated" and the other "criticism will not be easy to write" ? If the story is so bad, criticism should be easy to write, no?

And then there is the "long and boring" criticsism that has been directed towards every movie in history by people with short attention spans. How long is Prometheus, not even 3 hours, right? Personally I hope they spend their time in Prometheus building up the story and the characters, just like they did in Alien. So I HOPE the add-crowd find it long and boring.
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Yeah, Long and Boring could be attributed to both Alien and Aliens as action hardly happens in either for the first 50 minutes.

Great sci fi movies such as The Thing and Blade Runner were reviewed very poorly when they were released. When a sci-fi film gets universal acclaim, which has happened twice in 30 years I think, the resulting movie is usually good but also somewhat dull thematically.

Actually thinking back there have been more than two films. I was thinking of Avatar and E.T. but The Matrix and District 9 would be considered universally acclaimed.
 
Will not be watching this in 3D.
Because unless its IMAX the screen sizes are, for some reason, smaller.
2D is also cheaper. And I also won't have to wear glasses on top of my glasses.
Oh, and I am paying for a group of 3.

I do however realise this film was taped in 3D and it would be better than the majority of the 3D films as of late. However, I still cannot get over the glasses + price.
 
Damn...not showing regular IMAX screenings that Friday. And I don't want to wear those damn glasses.

wtfff

Edit: forgot it was shot in 3d. fuck it, oh well.
 
I've been saying for a while now that it will be very interesting to see word of mouth on Prometheus. People are hyping themselves up to disappointment.

Kyaw said:
Do you know which Real IMAX theaters have digital projectors?
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I don't, sorry. And IMAX is purposefully terrible at communicating with customers about what technology their local IMAX has.
 
3N16MA said:
I never stated that 15/70 IMAX was better for this film. This is what I posted:

Real IMAX = 15/70 film, 3D effect pops out of the screen, provides the biggest image (most immersive) even when no IMAX filmed scenes are present, darker/not as sharp of an image with digital films.

LieMAX = Digital IMAX with digital projection, similar 3D effect to real IMAX, brighter/crisper picture when digital films are played, similar sound to real IMAX, smaller screen size than real IMAX.

I think you deserve a slap in the face for not reading :)

Pretty much nailed it in terms of the differences. I have a feeling that some posters have not actually seen any films in both formats.
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Earlier I said real IMAX was not a good thing in this case, and you made a comment about how that is not true. If I misunderstood, my mistake. However, the last bolded sentence makes me laugh since that is YOU.

duckroll said:
I don't think they're talking about a difference in actual depth, but rather how the 3D projection works. In RealD screens, it's definitely a window inwards, because its a totally flat screen. Even if things are popping "out" in the film, it stills only pops out relative to the screen and feels distant. IMAX3D, at least the digital screen here, uses a slightly curved screen, and the projection is definitely different. There is more pop with a larger screen it really jumps at you even if you're sitting a few rows back.
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So then the IMAX3D you watch at, is a digital screen? Doesn't that mean it's a LIEmax screen? Enigma is stating that LIEmax 3D = RealD 3D (without ever seeing LIEmax 3D).
 
Jay-B said:
I have never read a single positive comment about Resurection in the french press. Critics here aren't that chauvinistic.

Review from lemonde (nytimes equivalent):
Alien betrayed by its own creator, Ridley Scott

This is not looking good.
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The whole premise seemed pretty dumb to begin with, trying to forge some connection between humanity and the aliens. It doesn't help that Scott himself is seemingly a fan of the ancient alien theory. I hated the idea as soon as I saw the big human head. :/
 
sflufan said:
Well, "Le Monde" is the "newspaper of record" in France, but I don't know how well-regarded its movie critics are.
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To be honest I don't really trust any french critic, and lemonde is no exception, so I would take this review with a grain of salt (especially considering it isn't particularly well written). Still, I have yet to find a single review saying Prometheus lives up to the Alien/S heritage, which fucking bums me out since I was certain Ridley was going to deliver with this one.
 
Normally I give films the benefit of the doubt even after bad reviews come out. But since this is a Ridley Scott film I'm gonna assume it's not that good until I watch it despite how hyped I was over the trailers.

And for the love of God do not hire anybody affiliated with Abrams for the Blade Runner sequel (which won't be that good, Ridley isn't what he was)
 
Let's stop the disinformation right now. The tweets from yesterday are worthless, dozen of reviews have been posted since then and it's pretty positive, with some nitpicking (movie doesnt seem to know at times if it's a prequel or its own thing), here are those available for now:

26 out of 34 reviews are overall positive.  The film currently holds a 76% fresh score with a 6.8 average rating.  The rating is calculated on a base-5 rule along with unrated reviews (positive considered a 100%, mixed negative a 40%, mixed positive a 60%, and negative a 0%).

This thread will eventually combine UK/US reviews as well.

Positive (19):
EcranLarge - 4/5
http://bit.ly/KLasEa

Cenoctet
http://bit.ly/KzhdrH

Salles Obscures
http://bit.ly/LCxdqt

Unification
http://bit.ly/L8QVf1

Effects-Speciaux
http://bit.ly/L8R0ze

Free
http://bit.ly/KlcCLr

Clap! - 8.5/10
http://bit.ly/JJt05J

BB Buzz - 4/5
http://bit.ly/KWQFz9

Scifi Universe - 8/10
http://bit.ly/JqKOB4

Avoir Alire - 3/4
http://bit.ly/LA7DmP

Yozone - 4 stars
http://bit.ly/JywkE5

France Soir
http://bit.ly/LPLCTK

Blockbustermania - 8/10
http://bit.ly/K8EVhk

Pure Cine
http://bit.ly/KqbCG1

Critique Film - 4/5
http://bit.ly/K8Fms7

Excessif - 4/5
http://bit.ly/KEk1nS

What the [censored] is That?
http://bit.ly/LElFDk

Le Point
http://bit.ly/JyCHY3

Molodezhnaja - 4/5
http://bit.ly/L1wh0D

Mixed (9):
Just Cinema - 5.5/10
http://bit.ly/Kla2VO

Fantasy - Mixed Positive
http://bit.ly/JQBjLl

Screen-Play - Mixed Positive
http://bit.ly/LZ3BtY

Cinevibe - 3.5/5
http://bit.ly/JxhKwv

Cineshow - 3/5
http://bit.ly/JJGaQ5]

Brain Damaged - 3/5
http://bit.ly/M0xUR3

Tout Le Cine - Mixed Positive
http://bit.ly/KOCiPS

Blog iFan - Mixed Negative
http://bit.ly/KXXyjJ

Silence...Action! - 3.5/5
http://bit.ly/LQ0EZT

Negative (6):
Place to Be
http://bit.ly/KLaU5s

Cloneweb:
http://bit.ly/KzhLO8

Film de Culte
http://bit.ly/LCx46B

Fiche Film - 2/5
http://bit.ly/JyzYO9

Le Monde
http://bit.ly/LBUhXg

Gala
http://bit.ly/K9T4eZ


Courtesy of JaaayDee on AVPGalaxy


I will update as more come.
 
Ashhong said:
Earlier I said real IMAX was not a good thing in this case, and you made a comment about how that is not true. If I misunderstood, my mistake. However, the last bolded sentence makes me laugh since that is YOU.


So then the IMAX3D you watch at, is a digital screen? Doesn't that mean it's a LIEmax screen? Enigma is stating that LIEmax 3D = RealD 3D (without ever seeing LIEmax 3D).
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1. No it's that is not me considering Bob was referring to IMAX 3D as if both 15/70/digital had the same effect. I have seen films in both 15/70 MAX 3D and RealD 3D. I have not seen a film in IMAX digital 3D which many people say had the same 3D effect as 15/70 IMAX 3D but I am not 100% certain of that.

2. I'm saying I'm not sure if it's closer to 15/70 IMAX 3D or RealD 3D. You can clearly see me asking in this thread for others to give their opinion. From what I read in different forums the 3D effect is similar to 15/70 but one poster said that it's more like RealD in this thread which caused me to question what I was reading in other threads and go back to a thought I had earlier. I have stated that I am not 100% certain in this very thread. Also you again failed to properly read my post comparing the 3D effects of the different formats where I say lieMAX 3D is similar to 15/70 IMAX 3D. That list is made up of personal experiences and what I have gathered from other forums.


Anyways this is getting a bit confusing and I am really going to bail on this thread. Watch it in both digital IMAX 3D and RealD 3D and report back :)
 
THE-Pink-Dagger said:
Let's stop the disinformation right now. The tweets from yesterday are worthless, dozen of reviews have been posted since then and it's pretty positive, with some nitpicking (movie doesnt seem to know at times if it's a prequel or its own thing), here are those available for now:

26 out of 34 reviews are overall positive.  The film currently holds a 76% fresh score with a 6.8 average rating.  The rating is calculated on a base-5 rule along with unrated reviews (positive considered a 100%, mixed negative a 40%, mixed positive a 60%, and negative a 0%).

This thread will eventually combine UK/US reviews as well.

I will update as more come.
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^UGH. A bit of a bummer. Now I wonder if $16 a ticket is worth it?
LOL JK
 
3N16MA said:
1. No it's that is not me considering Bob was referring to IMAX 3D as if both 15/70/digital were the same. I have seen films in both 15/70 MAX 3D and RealD 3D. I have not seen a film in IMAX digital 3D which many people say had the same 3D effect as 15/70 IMAX 3D but I am not 100% certain of that.

2. I'm saying I'm not sure if it's closer to 15/70 IMAX 3D or RealD 3D. You can clearly see me asking in this thread for others to give their opinion. From what I read in different forums the 3D effect is similar to 15/70 but one poster said that it's more like RealD in this thread. I have stated that I am not 100% certain in this very thread. Also you again failed to properly read my post comparing the 3D effects of the different formats where I say lieMAX 3D is similar to 15/70 IMAX 3D. That list is made up of personal experiences and what I have gathered from other forums.
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I have seen movies in both RealD and LieMAX 3D. I definitely feel that based on what you describe real IMAX 3D to be, the effect sounds similar. LieMAX 3D is a MUCH better experience compared to RealD (or any other regular digital 3D cinema) because it felt really immersive. I have not watched a 3D movie in a real 70mm IMAX screen because I do not have one in my country. So I can't compare directly, sorry.
 
duckroll said:
I have seen movies in both RealD and LieMAX 3D. I definitely feel that based on what you describe real IMAX 3D to be, the effect sounds similar. LieMAX 3D is a MUCH better experience compared to RealD (or any other regular digital 3D cinema) because it felt really immersive. I have not watched a 3D movie in a real 70mm IMAX screen because I do not have one in my country. So I can't compare directly, sorry.
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Your opinion lines up with what I have reading in other forums so I'm going to roll with that. Digital IMAX 3D has a very similar 3D effect as 15/70 IMAX 3D and is diffrent than RealD 3D. If I confused anyone with my difficult to follow posts regarding 3D I'm sorry.

OK now I'm really bailing.
 
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