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[noah111]

O-o

can't unsee

:lol I wasn't going to say anything, but that's the perfect "wtf is this" face.

 

[twobear]

Here's my theory - what does the back of that leaked photo look like, as far as texture?

I think that the back will be a touch panel in some respects - connect it via Bluetooth to your PC and voila, your phone acts as your touchpad. not to mention the other functions it could be used for, like the PS Vita back touch panel.

The touchpad is glass. To me it looks like:

 

[Keylime]

Here's my theory - what does the back of that leaked photo look like, as far as texture?

I think that the back will be a touch panel in some respects - connect it via Bluetooth to your PC and voila, your phone acts as your touchpad. not to mention the other functions it could be used for, like the PS Vita back touch panel.

Knowing that something stupid like 80-90% of iPhone owners use a case, probably with well over half of those covering up the back, putting functionality on the back of the phone like that would go against the consumer trends of being overly protective of their hardware. Obviously it fits with Apple's own bumper case since it doesn't cover the back, but I think designing functionality into the back of the phone like that is just begging for public backlash. People's outright need to cover the back of their phone is reason enough for me to think that Apple would never do something like that (not to mention that I suspect they'd have no interest in doing it anyways).

 

[Red]

The machined speaker grille looks cheap, the holes are too big and doesn't have the same refined feel as the speaker grille of the MBP. Other than that, it's fine to me. The two-tone look is going back to the original iPhone look.

I'm in the camp that thinks the phones look pretty good. Definitely nowhere near GS3 levels of wat. But the weird beige tone on the white phone looks weird. I don't think it's the fact that it's two-toned. It's the color. The black one looks fine.

My first thought when I looked at the latest pic was "MacPro," don't know why. Maybe the metal edge.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Here's my theory - what does the back of that leaked photo look like, as far as texture?

http://images.apple.com/magictrackpad/images/desktop_20100727.jpg

I think that the back will be a touch panel in some respects - connect it via Bluetooth to your PC and voila, your phone acts as your touchpad. not to mention the other functions it could be used for, like the PS Vita back touch panel.[/QUOTE]

It would give you 'shoulder' buttons in games amongst other things.

 

[twobear]

I'm in the camp that thinks the phones look pretty good. Definitely nowhere near GS3 levels of wat. But the weird beige tone on the white phone looks weird. I don't think it's the fact that it's two-toned. It's the color. The black one looks fine.

My first thought when I looked at the latest pic was "MacPro," don't know why. Maybe the metal edge.

Yeah, the styling is definitely in like with the Mac Pro. The more I look at it the more I like it. It's not as instantly gorgeous as the iPhone 4, though.

[edit]They're not going to go with the back touchpad. The back touchpad represents almost everything that's stupid about Sony's design, to be honest. A comparatively high expense for the cheapest of cheap gimmicks.

 

[Zeppu]

Knowing that something stupid like 80-90% of iPhone owners use a case, probably with well over half of those covering up the back, putting functionality on the back of the phone like that would go against the consumer trends of being overly protective of their hardware. Obviously it fits with Apple's own bumper case since it doesn't cover the back, but I think designing functionality into the back of the phone like that is just begging for public backlash. People's outright need to cover the back of their phone is reason enough for me to think that Apple would never do something like that (not to mention that I suspect they'd have no interest in doing it anyways).

Not to mention that I can't see how it can be used comfortably in portrait mode and it would have to explicitly turned on and off to avoid misreadings while just holding the phone.

 

[jts]

The touchpad is glass. To me it looks like:

Also glass.

 

[noah111]

The back is not a touch screen or glass-ontopof-aluminum. It's plain ol' aluminum, nothing gimmicky. Bet on it.

You're contradicting yourself from one sentence to the next now. Breathe, Sentry.

:lol You know what I mean! Physically, the 4" could fit. As in it doesn't fly off the edge or anything. Internally, Apple couldn't get it to fit, which was what i've said before to those who wanted the same frame size.

well, not quite. they could "easily" do it if they completely replaced the home button mechanism and the space for sensors cameras and mic at top.

obviously that wasn't easy enough to do (or feasible) and so the top and bottom chins look to be the same size as they are now. it's the same long-ass length as that mockup from two weeks ago (from that site that mocked up all sorts of screen shapes) that looked awkward as hell to me.

Nah, not really (but yes, it just wouldn't all fit internally);

But instead it'll be like this (gotta give iLounge credit for this mockup which everyone laughed off, turned out to be right on the money);

So that iLounge mockup was more or less accurate.

 

[mescalineeyes]

It would give you 'shoulder' buttons in games amongst other things.

Oh god, no. The last thing we should hope for is for them to facilitate traditional gaming experiences on touch based devices.

More #sworcery and less NOVA please.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Oh god, no. The last thing we should hope for is for them to facilitate traditional gaming experiences on touch based devices.

More #sworcery and less NOVA please.

#gamechanger

 

[twobear]

Also glass.

I meant the case, not the touchpad.

 

[Leona Lewis]

Dat still massive bezel :-(

 

[twobear]

Is there any likelihood that they're going to update the screen technology, or will it be another LCD IPS?

 

[Red]

Just stretching out the screen does still seem weird to me. It looks wrong for some reason. But if the leak is accurate, there is a more comprehensive redesign than '4" screen, bam.'

It's really difficult for me not to have faith in Apple. They are producing the world's best designs right now, and I can't see their next most significant product being any different.

 

[Zeppu]

2-3mm of bezel are absolutely required for comfortable use of a touchscreen device. I don't understand why people think thin bezels or screens to the edge will be any better.

 

[jts]

But instead it'll be like this (gotta give iLounge credit for this mockup which everyone laughed off, turned out to be right on the money);

But the top and bottom bezels *are* slimmer, contrary to the iLounge report. They will be very similar to the back bezels.

 

[Red]

2-3mm of bezel are absolutely required for comfortable use of a touchscreen device. I don't understand why people think thin bezels or screens to the edge will be any better.

I'm waiting for the day we get Tony Stark flexiglass screen-only phones.

 

[mescalineeyes]

Dat still massive bezel :-(

For the love of god someone give this person a bevelless phone and let them succumb to lunacy.

 

[Keylime]

The iLounge mockup of the front of the phone looks great to me. If they are in fact adjusting the size of the screen, that looks like the ideal way to do it in my eyes.

Probably not worth all the typing to discuss a bunch of part leaks that may or may not be representative of the actual device... but what else are we supposed to do...wait?! FUCK WAITING!

 

[Shanks]

So is the new screen 16:9? Or some other random aspect ratio?

 

[Good Job Bob]

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[Graphics Horse]

Yeah I'd say the real phone length is half way between the 4 and the iLounge mockup.

 

[noah111]

2-3mm of bezel are absolutely required for comfortable use of a touchscreen device. I don't understand why people think thin bezels or screens to the edge will be any better.

It could still be trimmed down 1-1.5 millimeters and be just fine. But I agree, it's not a big deal at all.

So is the new screen 16:9? Or some other random aspect ratio?

16:9. 640x1136 iirc, rather than the current 640x960.

 

[Zeppu]

It could still be trimmed down 1-1.5 millimeters and be just fine. But I agree, it's not a big deal at all.

Inside of your palm could very easily touch the screen with just 1mm when reaching to the other side of the phone.

 

[mrklaw]

You may be on to something with inductive charging. Hadn't thought of that.

you don't need a metal back for inductive charging. Electric toothbrushes have plastic cases and they work fine. I don't see there being enough space inside for that anyway.

 

[Shanks]

16:9. 640x1136 iirc, rather than the current 640x960.

Eh, I guess it's not that big of a deal on a phone. I hope they don't make the iPad 16:9 down the line though, I always thought the android tablets in that aspect ratio were less pleasant to use.

 

[noah111]

Yeah I'd say the real phone length is half way between the 4 and the iLounge mockup.

If you look closely at the home button in the 9to5 leaks, you can see that the gap between the physical button and the edges is almost exactly like the current iPhone. I'd say it's the exact same length, which iirc is a 2 centimeters from bottom edge to screen. No it was 18 millimeters, I remember the home button center being perfectly aligned with the half way mark if you assume a millimeter drop on each side..

Inside of your palm could very easily touch the screen with just 1mm when reaching to the other side of the phone.

Dude, when I reach to the other side of the phone my palm is practically covering a quarter of the screen anyway. 1-1.5 millimeters becomes semantical at that point. It could be done without the world ending.

But it doesn't need to be done, as it's no big deal, so it won't.

 

[Blackhead]

Would this be the same market where a 3.5" 3:2 screen continues to sell like the proverbial hot cakes, or a different one?

Smartphone Owners — 2012 (US & UK)

Survey says 90% of people want their next phone to have a larger screen
They discovered that the “sweet spot” is a device with a display that’s between 4.0 and 4.5 inches diagonal.

iPhone Users — 2011 (US)

 

[Xun]

The webcams on the MacBooks aren't vertically centered either. They have previous with these things.

I don't think it's much of a problem with something like that.

Guys, I think the angle in that shot is playing tricks on you, a bit. The camera placement isn't a huge deal. It's aligned in a way that compliments the rounded corners, not the center aluminum plating.

I know it's to complement the corner, and that's good, but I don't think the metal (?) plating should go up that far from a design point of view.

 

[KtSlime]

It could still be trimmed down 1-1.5 millimeters and be just fine. But I agree, it's not a big deal at all.

By the looks of that photo from 9to5, it looks like they already shrank the bezel by just that.

 

[Graphics Horse]

If you look closely at the home button in the 9to5 leaks, you can see that the gap between the physical button and the edges is almost exactly like the current iPhone. I'd say it's the exact same length, which iirc is a 2 centimeters from bottom edge to screen. No it was 18 millimeters, I remember the home button center being perfectly aligned with the half way mark if you assume a millimeter drop on each side..

But if you look at the 9to5 leaks, the speaker hole is no longer in the centre of the bezel. And there's less space above and below the home button.

 

[giga]

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/30...phone-front-panel-design-with-4-inch-display/

 

[Keylime]

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/05/iphone_5_panel_schematic_large.jpg[IMG]

[url]http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/30/schematic-purportedly-shows-next-generation-iphone-front-panel-design-with-4-inch-display/[/url][/QUOTE]

These leaks are getting absolutely nuts. For the iPad 4 I fully expect HD security footage inside the design team laboratory to be released at this rate.

 

[Graphics Horse]

If we pool our resources we can make our own iphone 5 instead of waiting for Apple.

 

[twobear]

I'm fully expecting Tim Cook to be heading out to China with a scalping knife soon to be honest.

 

[noah111]

But if you look at the 9to5 leaks, the speaker hole is no longer in the centre of the bezel. And there's less space above and below the home button.

Right, but that's only because the pushed it down a bit to put the FaceTime camera in the center. I'd bet it's still the same chin-bezel size.

Smartphone Owners — 2012 (US & UK)
iPhone Users — 2011 (US)
http://i.imgur.com/EHxqV.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
Of course 'new style/design' is going to be at the bottom, they don't care until Apple shows them it, then they go nuts over what they didn't know they wanted. 4S being the same exact frame received many "meh's".

But it'll sell well regardless, so it's almost a non-point.

[quote="Xun, post: 38331932"]I don't think it's much of a problem with something like that.

I know it's to complement the corner, and that's good, but I don't think the metal (?) plating should go up that far from a design point of view.[/QUOTE]
They sort of have to, no? I mean, if they trim it down a bit, they need to do so on both ends. The whole cruz of this [SPOILER]poop[/SPOILER] design is symmetry, they can't push the top cutoff without doing to the same to the bottom. Plus, it's aligned with the antenna strips, on both ends. The cutoff is at the right point, I think. It's edge is right before the curve of the corners, that's intentional. It'd look a lot worse if the plate was shorter.

 

[noah111]

If we pool our resources we can make our own iphone 5 instead of waiting for Apple.

As long we agree to make it have three by two ratio, four point three inch display, i'm in.

These leaks are getting absolutely nuts. For the iPad 4 I fully expect HD security footage inside the design team laboratory to be released at this rate.

According to Tim Cook, they're doubling down on secrecy! All the while he says transparency is the new direction for the company.

 

[jts]

Right, but that's only because the pushed it down a bit to put the FaceTime camera in the center. I'd bet it's still the same chin-bezel size.

You are a crazy man if you look at the new front panel and then to a 4 and think the bezels look the same.

Get this: the phones widths are the same. Now try to compare the fucking proportions of the bezels!

 

[Keylime]

According to Tim Cook, they're doubling down on secrecy! All the while he says transparency is the new direction for the company.

The problem is that the bigger of a success Apple becomes, the harder it will be to keep a tight lid on these kinds of stories, especially when there is a massive number of employees on the other side of the globe interacting with the production line components and specs regularly.

Do the people who leak this stuff get money or something? I'd assume they'd have to, otherwise what's the motivation?

 

[Krev]

Back touch would be much better on an iPhone than it is on PSVita. Of course there's the problem of everyone covering the back of their phone.

 

[noah111]

You are a crazy man if you look at the new front panel and then to a 4 and think the bezels look the same.

Get this: the phones widths are the same. Now try to compare the fucking proportions of the bezels!

Except it's 7-10mm taller along with a longer screen... The chins may be a one or two millimeters shorter, but nothing to indicate that the phone hasn't gotten taller.

Back touch would be much better on an iPhone than it is on PSVita. Of course there's the problem of everyone covering the back of their phone.

And the problem of everyone holding the phone in portrait and not landscape like the vita.

 

[Tobor]

7mm taller is fine, as long as the width is the same as it is now. Which it is! Good job Apple!

 

[numble]

The problem is that the bigger of a success Apple becomes, the harder it will be to keep a tight lid on these kinds of stories, especially when there is a massive number of employees on the other side of the globe interacting with the production line components and specs regularly.

Do the people who leak this stuff get money or something? I'd assume they'd have to, otherwise what's the motivation?

Here's a story on Foxconn workers who got paid $3000 and leaked iPad 2 case details in September 2010, months before release in March 2011.
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/1636...oyees-for-leak-of-ipad-2-casing-last-year.htm

 

[Lord Error]

I know it's to complement the corner, and that's good, but I don't think the metal (?) plating should go up that far from a design point of view.

I agree - especially because the screen won't go that high either so there goes the symmetry excuse as well.

 

[noah111]

How awesome would it be if this is all some disinformation campaign by Cook, intentionally leaking BS and this isn't the real device at all.

Spoiler

One can dream. :lol

I agree - especially because the screen won't go that high either so there goes the symmetry excuse as well.

It doesn't need to be symmetrical to what you can't even see...

 

[planar1280]

Knowing that something stupid like 80-90% of iPhone owners use a case, probably with well over half of those covering up the back, putting functionality on the back of the phone like that would go against the consumer trends of being overly protective of their hardware. Obviously it fits with Apple's own bumper case since it doesn't cover the back, but I think designing functionality into the back of the phone like that is just begging for public backlash. People's outright need to cover the back of their phone is reason enough for me to think that Apple would never do something like that (not to mention that I suspect they'd have no interest in doing it anyways).

Just wait and see and the public will come in line and conform to new habits as soon as apple says its worth it

 

[jts]

Except it's 7-10mm taller along with a longer screen... The chins may be a one or two millimeters shorter, but nothing to indicate that the phone hasn't gotten taller.

The iPhone is taller which is to be expected, but it's only 7mm taller with a an almost 20 15mm taller screen (simple maths), so there is a massive improvement in that regard. It's nothing like what you're saying, sorry.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

So this bigger casing would allow for a bigger battery right?

What's the 4s battery like now? 5 will be my first iPhone, and my Droid X gets about a day and a half of normal (not a ton of browsing/media) use with a charge.

Basically, I charge my phone every night anyways. Can you with 4/4s' make it through the day?

 

[Chittagong]

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/30...phone-front-panel-design-with-4-inch-display/

okay, that's unprecedented. not just for Apple, but in the entire industry.