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Wait Lindelof is the writer for this? Fucking hell I can't stand his writing, why would they hire him for this? I was really looking forward to it. :(

How do these people get such high profile work consistently? Wasn't Nash Bridges terrible enough? Star Trek was a travesty too (not sure if he was the writer on this one but might've been just as well.)

Man I have been hyping people up to see Prometheus with me, what do I tell them now? :P
 
Lumine said:
Wait Lindelof is the writer for this? Fucking hell I can't stand his writing, why would they hire him for this? I was really looking forward to it. :(

How do these people get such high profile work consistently? Wasn't Nash Bridges terrible enough? Star Trek was a travesty too (not sure if he was the writer on this one but might've been just as well.)

Man I have been hyping people up to see Prometheus with me, what do I tell them now? :P
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From what I gather, it seems like a big fun gorgeous action film with a script that is more intelligent than your average summer blockbuster, but not mind blowing. If they haven't been following the hype machine, they'll probably really like it.
 
Erigu said:
That main criticisms certainly seem to concern the script/plot.
But even if Lindelof wrote the shooting script, even if the flaws that are pointed out sound very reminiscent of his previous output, he wasn't working from scratch (it would be interesting to see Spaiht's take) and I would imagine Scott was really the one running the show, not him.
Blaming it all on Lindelof seems a bit easy (at this point, anyway).
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People will put it all on Lindelof because he's the easy target, and because they don't want to blame Scott. I'm not saying Lindelof is partially at fault but it takes a lot of people to make a movie.
 
For a movie like, do they pay a guy like Lindelof to write a movie for them (lol) or did some producers buy a script that he had already written?
 
nilbog21 said:
Why is this movie being released in Europe before US? Just curious
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Because for once, we deserve it.

I cannot wait to see it. I'm pretty happy I haven't really seen a lot of it through trailers. Hearing about the mixed reviews has me a bit concerned though.
 
Salvor.Hardin said:
From what I gather, it seems like a big fun gorgeous action film with a script that is more intelligent than your average summer blockbuster, but not mind blowing. If they haven't been following the hype machine, they'll probably really like it.
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Well I'm not expecting anything mindblowing anyway and if it turns out to be a fun and gorgeous then that's probably already good enough for me. I highly doubt there will be anything remotely intelligent to be found in the script if Lindelof is attached to it though.
 
symphonask said:
Not any more than his contemporaries. I'd argue that the latter halves of the careers of director's like Scorsese, Spielberg and Cameron have been just as average as some people claiming Scott's has been. Yet most people don't question the greatness of those director's (well, maybe save for Cameron).
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Completely agree on Cameron and Spielberg, they're as overrated as Scott for me but Scorsese's got a phenomenal hit rate in my eyes.
 
EMPIRE UK Review

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119

See this is why I HATE review magazines/media. I bought a copy of Empire about a month ago that was a special on Prometheus and all it did was rage on and on about how great it will be, and how they have seen parts of it that are incredible.

I am sorry, but if you give it
3
stars, you must have known it wasn't going to be anywhere near what you claimed in all those articles, special features etc where you CLAIMED to have seen a sizeable chunk.

This has not deferred my excitement, but rather gave me a reason to rant at media review publications.
 
Linch said:
EMPIRE UK Review

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119

See this is why I HATE review magazines/media. I bought a copy of Empire about a month ago that was a special on Prometheus and all it did was rage on and on about how great it will be, and how they have seen parts of it that are incredible.

I am sorry, but if you give it
3
stars, you must have known it wasn't going to be anywhere near what you claimed in all those articles, special features etc where you CLAIMED to have seen a sizeable chunk.

This has not deferred my excitement, but rather gave me a reason to rant at media review publications.
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The Empire review was written by Ian Nathan, the same guy who wrote the Alien Vault book. He's as big an Alien fanboy as they come. If you read the review, his main complaint seems to be that the movie is not enough like Alien. I'd say his review was colored by certain pre-expectations of what the movie should be, considering the director.
 
DoctorWho said:
People will put it all on Lindelof because he's the easy target, and because they don't want to blame Scott. I'm not saying Lindelof is partially at fault but it takes a lot of people to make a movie.
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It's already intensely groan worthy, especially given the crowd that tried to say it was mostly Spait's script pre- movie release.

Oh no, why is a rather successful screenwriter doing a film that caters to his genre specialties, how could I possibly have saw this coming, what will I do now, waaaah waaaah waaaahh.
 
Linch said:
EMPIRE UK Review

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119

See this is why I HATE review magazines/media. I bought a copy of Empire about a month ago that was a special on Prometheus and all it did was rage on and on about how great it will be, and how they have seen parts of it that are incredible.

I am sorry, but if you give it
3
stars, you must have known it wasn't going to be anywhere near what you claimed in all those articles, special features etc where you CLAIMED to have seen a sizeable chunk.

This has not deferred my excitement, but rather gave me a reason to rant at media review publications.
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Often, but not always, the person writing the review is not the same as the person covering the movie's production. One could make an argument regarding editorial oversight, or the lack of it at least, but asking for unform consistency when reviews are concerned would seem a bit unethical.

Having said that, the truth probably lies somewhere in between the above, and the reality of getting a decent scoop which requires positive production coverage.
 
symphonask said:
Not any more than his contemporaries. I'd argue that the latter halves of the careers of director's like Scorsese, Spielberg and Cameron have been just as average as some people claiming Scott's has been. Yet most people don't question the greatness of those director's (well, maybe save for Cameron).
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Cameron is a good director, there was nothing really wrong with how Avatar looked or the pacing of the film. It's just that his story telling abilities are a bit questionable at times... he never opts for an outside writer.

And Spielberg... I haven't actually seen Warhorse or Adventures of Tin Tin... I can't really say how good those are.

Ridley Scott's a bit hit and miss when choosing a good script, but he has never made a bad looking movie. Ever.

I really hope that Prometheus script is alright, it sounds a bit iffy in some of the reviews. I guess I will have to watch it for myself and find out.

And Scorsese? Well, he's still a master at his craft. I can't think of any complains about him.
 
Scorsese's last three films (Hugo, Shutter Island, Departed) didn't do much for me. Gangs of New York and Aviator were good but not great.

But yes, he's a legendary director that deserves all the praise he gets, I'm not questioning that.
 
symphonask said:
Scorsese's last three films (Hugo, Shutter Island, Departed) didn't do much for me. Gangs of New York and Aviator were good but not great.

But yes, he's a legendary director that deserves all the praise he gets, I'm not questioning that.
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Ironically I love/really like the three you didn't and thought the other two were okay (DDL is incredible in GONY though).

I think he's made a good 10 or so fantastic films, which is a superb hit ratio even dismissing all his 'good' films. Scott for me has made 2 or 3 fantastic ones and a number of good/middling/bad ones.

Alien's better than anything Scorsese's done save King Of Comedy though.
 
I think the two biggest questions on my mind right now is:

A) Should the movie have been an hour longer? to flesh out charecters which is one of the biggest problems that reviewers have criticized and will the DC help flesh it out more.
B) Should it have lost all ties to Aliens or been kept hush hush so fan's wouldn't be prepared for the let down if there will be one.
 
MRORANGE said:
I think the two biggest questions on my mind right now is:

A) Should the movie have been an hour longer? to flesh out charecters which is one of the biggest problems that reviewers have criticized and will the DC help flesh it out more.
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The ability to fit in strong characters in a movie shouldn't depend on the time lenght. Just watch Alien - that breakfast scene is better than just about any character scenes in any action movie in the last 2 decades.
 
MRORANGE said:
I think the two biggest questions on my mind right now is:

A) Should the movie have been an hour longer? to flesh out charecters which is one of the biggest problems that reviewers have criticized and will the DC help flesh it out more.
B) Should it have lost all ties to Aliens or been kept hush hush so fan's wouldn't be prepared for the let down if there will be one.
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A) Yeah, I'd say so. It feels rushed and cut short at parts. An entire hour isn't necessary, but I definitely hope they release an extended cut. That, or actually a shorter cut. As it is, there's some characters in the film that show up for like one scene only and have little to no significance for the plot or the atmosphere.

B) Nah, the storyline ties to the Alien franchise work out fine.
 
Linch said:
EMPIRE UK Review

http://www.empireonline.com/reviews/reviewcomplete.asp?FID=137119

See this is why I HATE review magazines/media. I bought a copy of Empire about a month ago that was a special on Prometheus and all it did was rage on and on about how great it will be, and how they have seen parts of it that are incredible.

I am sorry, but if you give it
3
stars, you must have known it wasn't going to be anywhere near what you claimed in all those articles, special features etc where you CLAIMED to have seen a sizeable chunk.

This has not deferred my excitement, but rather gave me a reason to rant at media review publications.
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Wow this guy really wanted an alien prequel.

Guess he didn't want to believe Scott when he said that this movie was meant to stand on it's own.

I'll make my own damn mind next friday.
 
Going to see this on Sunday (3rd of June)
cannot wait, in preperation have watched Alien Directors Cut on Bluray and tonight will watch Aliens, I cannot fucking wait to see this....
 
Salvor.Hardin said:
The ability to fit in strong characters in a movie shouldn't depend on the time lenght. Just watch Alien - that breakfast scene is better than just about any character scenes in any action movie in the last 2 decades.
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QFMFT, but this also had to do with the Actors portraying the characters as much as the script.. I mean Kotto and Stanton played off each other Nicely just the Misfit vibes of them to, just a great well rounded cast
 
MarkMclovin said:
Are there many jump scenes in this movie? I can handle lots of tension, but I'm a fanny when it comes to jumps.
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Not really.

The Bookerman said:
Wow this guy really wanted an alien prequel.

Guess he didn't want to believe Scott when he said that this movie was meant to stand on it's own.

I'll make my own damn mind next friday.
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The movie is loaded with storyline ties, characterizations, and visuals akin to Alien. If Scott didn't want people to compare it with that film, then maybe he shouldn't have referenced so many scenes from it.
 
Dascu said:
Not really.


The movie is loaded with storyline ties, characterizations, and visuals akin to Alien. If Scott didn't want people to compare it with that film, then maybe he shouldn't have referenced so many scenes from it.
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While watching it did you ever feel that the movie would have benefitted by being a completely new ip - same story but without the Alien references and designs? Or is what lies beneath just not strong enough to support itself without the Gieger stuff?
 
I don't think we'll ever get an ensemble cast as good as Alien's in a Sci-Fi film ever again. They were pretty much perfect.

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Salvor.Hardin said:
While watching it did you ever feel that the movie would have benefitted by being a completely new ip - same story but without the Alien references and designs? Or is what lies beneath just not strong enough to support itself without the Gieger stuff?
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The story simply isn't as well-written. It lacks elegance and cohesion, feels rushed at parts, some throw-away characters and scenes, while others are cut short. Even if Alien had never existed, it wouldn't have made Prometheus any better. All the actual story links to Alien are handled rather well. Other than that it takes away a little bit of "magic and mystery" regarding the derelict space ship and the space jockey and such.

Don't get me wrong, Prometheus is a great sci-fi film. But it's not a masterpiece.
 
Salvor.Hardin said:
While watching it did you ever feel that the movie would have benefitted by being a completely new ip - same story but without the Alien references and designs? Or is what lies beneath just not strong enough to support itself without the Gieger stuff?
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Well, you didn't ask me, but as I see it, would have been interesting enough with good character dynamics. Well, good characters, period.

Should there be a spoiler thread? I'd really hate to fill this thread with black bars.
 
Some people over at the prometheus forums say that some shots from the trailers/tv spots were not in the final movie. This probably means there's a good chance we'll get an extended edition on blu-ray.
 
Dascu said:
The story simply isn't as well-written. It lacks elegance and cohesion, feels rushed at parts, some throw-away characters and scenes, while others are cut short. Even if Alien had never existed, it wouldn't have made Prometheus any better. All the actual story links to Alien are handled rather well. Other than that it takes away a little bit of "magic and mystery" regarding the derelict space ship and the space jockey and such.Don't get me wrong, Prometheus is a great sci-fi film. But it's not a masterpiece.
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That kind of stinks but I guess that was always going to be the case.
 
symphonask said:
I don't think we'll ever get an ensemble cast as good as Alien's in a Sci-Fi film ever again. They were pretty much perfect.
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The problem with ensemble casts these days is that everyone is just really fucking good looking, and it's clear then that the actors are picked for their looks rather than team chemistry or acting abilities.

When you watch The Thing, you see normal scruffy out-of-shape middle aged dudes working at a lab. Same with Jaws - Quitn, Marty and Hooper are all just normal dudes who work well off each other. You believe their relationship.

That's not to say that a team of good looking scientists is inconceivable. It's just that there's a certain stiffness and unbelievability it creates regardless. When a scene calls for grit and realism, today's buff and athletic actors make it look sexy and appealing.
 
Dutch guy I know has seen it, we've got pretty similar taste, so this does well to excite me more than other reviews dissuaded me.

I loved it. Absolutely beautiful film, a work of art if you ask me but then expect nothing else from Ridley Scott. It was exactly the kind of film I was expecting. Fassbender is superb, it is suitably horrific in places and the final moments gave me goosebumps. There are a few problems; there's really no need to have so many background characters who rarely get a look in and some of the dialogue is clunky but that aside it was excellent. The 3D was beautiful, especially the extreme wide shots of Prometheus in space.
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Saw Prometheus this morning, I liked it. And yes it totally is a Alien prequel, but don't expect it to be like Alien. It's a good sci-fi film.
Also one of the best 3D films, hotdamn the visuals looks utterly fantastic.
 
symphonask said:
Some people over at the prometheus forums say that some shots from the trailers/tv spots were not in the final movie. This probably means there's a good chance we'll get an extended edition on blu-ray.
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Got a link? I just checked trailer 2&3 again and seem to recognize all of the shots.
 
For those who have seen the film, what about these nitpicky "plotholes":
- How did Shaw get into crashed space ship? She leaves with that grappling hook. Did she get in the same way? Like Batman?
- Why does Vickers have a Med-Pod for males?
- Did you-know-what drag the space jockey back to the space ship? <edit: seems it's not the same planet>
 
The black bars..
It has begun...
Less than 24 hours left. I will be damned if I am spoilt now.

Gentleman. It's been a pleasure.
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Dascu said:
- Why does Vickers have a Med-Pod for males?
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The whole scene is much more dumb than what we'd have had with a male/female machine. I'm no doctor but I'm not sure you could replace a cesarean with male abdominal surgery.

I don't get why they did this.
 
G.O.O. said:
The whole scene is much more dumb than what we'd have had with a male/female machine. I'm no doctor but I'm not sure you could replace a cesarean with male abdominal surgery.

I don't get why they did this.
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So they could show it on film, I guess. Much easier to film a standard abdominal surgery than a C-section. Still, the Med-Pod being male-only is so damn silly. Did she bring it over for her father? It just doesn't make sense.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Kingdom of Heaven is widely known as one of the best Theatrical to Director's Cuts ever. This isn't just GAF hyperbole, it's a damn good movie. Just check it out.
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Ok I have now Purchased this version on Blu-Ray, I could not get into the Theatrical Cut so let's see how it goes, how does it compare??

EDIT: tickets booked for sunday, dont know how dissapointed I might be, but will enjoy the ride..
 
Roger Ebert said if the KoH DC was the one released in theaters it would have been a major contender for the best picture Oscar race that year, so yeah that DC is a big big improvement.
 
Cheebo said:
Roger Ebert said if the KoH DC was the one released in theaters it would have been a major contender for the best picture Oscar race that year, so yeah that DC is a big big improvement.
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ok last talk about Directors Cuts, but the Directors cut of Alien was Jaw Dropping IMHO, I love the Theatrical verion but the Directors took it to a whole new Level.

EDIT: if I had privledges I would create a thread after watching KoH DC if I find it as good as everyone is saying.. (or other director's cuts) if not, I will post in here if ok :), cheers
 
Cheebo said:
Roger Ebert said if the KoH DC was the one released in theaters it would have been a major contender for the best picture Oscar race that year, so yeah that DC is a big big improvement.
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Yes the KoH DC is just that good, couldn't believe Ridley Scott let the studio gut his film like that for the theatrical release.
 
symphonask said:
Some people over at the prometheus forums say that some shots from the trailers/tv spots were not in the final movie. This probably means there's a good chance we'll get an extended edition on blu-ray.
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I think Ridley himself said that there would be an extended cut on blu.
 
I am nervous about Olly Moss' impressions.. but I'm still insanely excited. He linked to the Empire review which must have echoed some of his sentiments but I didn't read it.. I completely avoid all reviews for a film I'm interested in.
 
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