SHIT MOVIE CONFIRMED.
I wonder how Alien would have performed under the scrutiny of the internet if it were released now...
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SHIT MOVIE CONFIRMED.
I wonder how Alien would have performed under the scrutiny of the internet if it were released now...
It's mainly Ridley himself that has done the damage actually, ignoring the problems with the writing, editing and everything else that people may have with the film.
By confirming that the worst possible explanation is the only one that fits, because that is how it was planned. An explanation that no one seriously wanted to consider, because it was that bad.
I think it's safe to say that there are no answers at all at that point.
Are you referring to the space jockey?
They were going to bomb us out of existence 2000 odd years ago for crucifying Space Jesus, who was one of them.
That is the big idea the film was resting on, and why it was shrouded in so much mystery because it really doesn't fly very well.
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What?
Space Jesus? Why are you making that leap? Are you assuming that Jesus is based on tales of the Engineers...and...the Engineers were coming back to destroy Earth...because...what?
Space Jesus? Why are you making that leap? Are you assuming that Jesus is based on tales of the Engineers...and...the Engineers were coming back to destroy Earth...because...what?
distantmantra
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The film mentions that
the engineers died roughly 2,000 years ago, which would be about 50 years after the death of Christ. They were working on something to wipe us out as we angered them.
Fun eh!
It's all in the spoiler thread, go and digest and then go through the same stages of grief as the rest of us.
distantmantra
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That idea doesn't bother me the slightest, I don't understand the butthurt. I also wasn't offended by BSG's ending.
Avengers knew exactly what it was, and it was exactly what it needed to be.
Prometheus thinks it's far smarter than it actually is, when it's really just a monster movie that can't decide on which monster it wants to use.
I'd say that Avengers is the more smartly written movie in many ways, even if it's not trying to tackle concepts like the origin and meaning of life.
Because if we blame the writers, we don't have to blame Ridley Scott.
I pointed it out earlier in this thread, but that's how it was always going to be.
If the movie turned out fantastic, Ridley Scott would have gotten all the credit.
If it turned out garbage, Damon Lindelof would have gotten all the blame.
If it turned out mixed, Ridley Scott would have gotten credit for the good parts and Lindelof would've gotten the blame for the bad parts.
Soooo...you're making the leap that because those timelines are somewhat similar (about 60-70 years off) that they're related?
distantmantra
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Pretty much. It's fun to speculate and come up with ideas.
Totally.
But that doesn't mean that's what happened...if they're not related (which I don't think they are, but you're entitled to your own thoughts, which is the beauty of an 'up for interpretation' film such as this...), it shouldn't be a negative on the film.
Well it may make the film more tolerable to watch, I can't see it salvaging the film like KOH.
Deleted scenes =/= extended cut. In a previous interview he said there will be deleted scenes within a deleted scenes menu but feels no need for a directors cut.
NaughtyCalibur
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Actually, that's not his idea. It's Ridley Scott's
source: http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1575/ridley-scott-engineers-they-are-dark-angels
SentientStone
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I watched this on Friday and despite the sometimes absurd behaviour / actions of the characters (removal of helmets, can only run 'straight', etc.), I still enjoyed it because I love epic sci-fi movies and do not see enough of them.
The pacing also went on hyper speed in the latter half of the film, but I can forgive that, might have helped make the second half more 'intense'. I definitely want a sequel and will pick up the Blu-ray for sure... hopefully the characters will behave more like trained personnel in the sequel though.
The pacing also went on hyper speed in the latter half of the film, but I can forgive that, might have helped make the second half more 'intense'. I definitely want a sequel and will pick up the Blu-ray for sure... hopefully the characters will behave more like trained personnel in the sequel though.
distantmantra
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http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1575/ridley-scott-engineers-they-are-dark-angels/p1
Movies.com: You throw religion and spirituality into the equation for Prometheus, though, and it almost acts as a hand grenade. We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?
RS: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an our children are misbehaving down there scenario, there are moments where it looks like weve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, Lets send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.
RS: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an our children are misbehaving down there scenario, there are moments where it looks like weve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, Lets send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it. Guess what? They crucified him.
I personally don't think it's a negative on the film.
Which implies that he thinks the TC is good enough. Which implies that he's off his fucking rocker.
Awesome, thanks man.
Thanks for linking as well.
Very cool...it would be impossible to draw that conclusion without the interview. So if people consider that a negative...then that's weird.
I guess this explains
why Jesus is depicted as white 
I was offended by both.
Not because of the religious angle, but because of lazy story-telling that is attempting to be profound. It requires too much suspension of disbelief to maintain. Characters reduced to mere bit parts in a big idea that is trying to be too clever for its own good. Prometheus is a mess because the story it is trying to tell is bad, Ancient Aliens level bad. Speculation substituted for exposition because of just how bad it is.
The Alien connection just makes an even bigger mess of what is there already.
The Alien connection just makes an even bigger mess of what is there already.
Net_Wrecker
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distantmantra
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I came to that conclusion last night talking with my wife while driving home. Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch. I didn't see Scott's interview until about 30 minutes ago.
The idea was thrown around as a joke, then Ridley goes and confirms it was the original premise and it's littered throughout the film.
It's also the ony explanation to date that fits with the film as a whole, none of the others stand up.
sounds like some deleted scenes and thats it. maybe a "longer" version with them thrown in there somewhere to please fans but nothing like a true directors cut. oh well.
Yep. Hope that's not the case. I enjoyed the movie despite its flaws, and would buy a dc day 1
Zombie James
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Saw the movie earlier today, completely disappointed. I'll probably post impressions in the spoiler thread later. Ugh 
planar1280
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The funny thing about this defense is that I just saw Alien for the first time a year ago and loved it. This film was shit.
Good films don't age.
The Librarian
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Just got back. Goddammit, Ridley Scott!
I'm pretty mixed about it, leaning towards dislike.
I'm pretty mixed about it, leaning towards dislike.
You should read past that, actually...
EDIT: Oh, for fuck's sake...
Damon Lindelof to Rewrite WORLD WAR Z Ahead of Massive Reshoots
TUROK
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Yeah, I read about that. Unless Damon Lindelof has absolutely no creative control over this, and has been hired to make it more like the Max Brooks book, then I'm crossing this off my "cautiously optimistic" list.
Net_Wrecker
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He's wavering which is my problem. I want a definite answer. No scenes that might hurt the movie like the one he described, but any character moments please for the love of Space Jockeys put them back in.
He seems unsure.
It can go either way
He specifically mentions a scene that won't go into the "long version" then says how much longer the long version is...
SirButterstick
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Loved it.
Alien>Prometheus>Aliens>All the other crap.
Alien>Prometheus>Aliens>All the other crap.
This movie is still on my mind, fuck it was so beautiful .. And I could've sat there for another 2 or 3 more hours as the irritating
and wouldnt have been bored.
Good thing is Ridley's turn around time is pretty quick. I wont be in my 30s by then
Shaw and David-head go off to the Engineer-verse
Sequel.want.
Good thing is Ridley's turn around time is pretty quick. I wont be in my 30s by then
Agent Unknown
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Yes, there are many scientists who believe in God or have come to believe, happens quite a bit in the genetics field according to a personal acquaintance of mine. As long as they're balanced and polite about it and don't try to force that perspective on others, how is that "lame" and what's that to you? Also according to a letter written by Darwin to one of his correspondents he was apparently an agnostic later in life, was he a "heretic" too now in retrospect?
To priest John Fordyce in 1879:
"In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God. I think that generally, and more and more so as I grow older - but not always - that an agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind."
Apparently scientists who choose to believe in God are "lame" and not legit enough. Lindelof has made no secret that he's a religious person and LOST was saturated with spiritual themes (definitely didn't always enjoy them, I'll say that, especially when they felt forced and didn't advance the plot) so I was absolutely not surprised the first time I read the general description for Shaw's character. In the Q&A he and Scott had at the Mann's theater in LA back in March he said one of the main themes of the movie is 'If you're a religious person, is there any scientific discovery that would cause you to stop believing in God?' Anybody who goes into a Lindelof project ought to know that spiritual themes are gonna be there for better or for worse.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Hopefully he puts the twenty minutes back in. Second half of the film will definitely benefit from it.
The problem is that
when asked to back up her theory (which goes against this little idea called "Darwinism"), Shaw offers nothing but "that's what I choose to believe". Be religious all you want, Shaw, but when you base your conclusions on faith alone, you cease to be a scientist.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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She should have said "Well, we'll find out, won't we?"
Agent Unknown
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WOW. Seriously? I totally agree, that's lame. And very lame on Lindelof's part as well. That's the BEST response he could write? It's like OK, Ms. Shaw, then WHY
DO you CHOOSE to believe? Is it because you personally feel life and genetics are too complex to have come about by chance events and you think that you're seeing signs of higher engineering, ect.? Do you feel the aliens' experiments validate your viewpoint somehow? Scientists who have come to believe in God have really detailed reasons and cite the things they have seen while studying in their fields that have lead them to this conclusion, yet all Lindlelof can have her say is she just decided to choose to believe? Who the heck wants to debate something or respects someone who simply "chooses" their viewpoint? STUPID. What a missed opportunity for what could have been a scene filled with some meaty dialogue and discussion between the characters.
Anyways, thanks for that minor spoiler, very helpful. I already knew to keep my expectations low for the symbolism ect. but that clinches it. Probably gonna see the movie tomorrow, I'll just remember that scientists who believe in God don't come off as lame as long as they're not written by Damon Lindelof.
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