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Has anyone mentioned yet that by the time these things hit the market, it's likely that the iPad 4 will already be on the market for 6 months?

Shipping > Announcing.

Edit: The iPad would still be preferable to most consumers if these things were coming out today—next year they'll be even further. This feels a lot more like the iPod & the Zune than anything.

That's the looming Reaper. By the time Microsoft gets this off in January, they have two solid months of sales. After which, people are going to wait it out and see what Apple does. Apple is almost certainly going to implement the keyboard in there. I have no idea about the stand as it seems it would go against Apple's fundamental design strategy.
 
6 months was a stretch. I should have said up to 6 months. Apologies.

My guess is the RT will hit late next winter (march).

I think the Pro is going to be a heat, battery, and fan disaster and riddled with delays until late next summer.

by late winter 2013 you mean early fall 2012 right? signs are pointing to august of this year. not sure where you're getting next year from

lol? Metro is going to pass the Apple App store in a year?



what do regular Windows apps have to do with Metro apps, which are wholly different applications?

and you're aware those 100,000 apps don't work on ARM, right?

what does wp run on if its not arm processors?
 
If the pro is at $1000 or more, then battery life will be HUGE. At that price point, you've got a ton of options and who knows what Asus or Samsung or any of those guys will be pushing out for Windows 8 by that point. Poor battery life invalidates the major selling point - the hybrid angle - and you might get as much use out of a nice thin powerful Ultrabook.
 
don't worry about the app ecosystem for the new interface people. Windows 8 is guaranteed to sell at least 200 million. (vista sold 350, windows 7 sold 600, ios was just announced at 365). Developers will come.
 
The only thing I'm not liking is I heard the Pro comes out 90 days later or some crap. I'm hoping it was just bad journalism from were I read it from (as I havn't seen much on it elsewere) or Microsoft is retracting that statement. Because that would be bullshit to not have the Pro at launch.

Otherwise love it. It's either the Surface Pro or the Transformer Pro for me.

I'm hopping Microsoft does some nice applications like the original Surface concepts for this tablet range and Windows 8 in general.

The device itself reminds me of a Zune mixed with a Lumia mixed with a iPhone mixed with sex.
 
by late winter 2013 you mean early fall 2012 right? signs are pointing to august of this year. not sure where you're getting next year from

Oh? I've only been skimming the thread and live blogs, I thought they were both slated "2013 TBA"
 
What is Geoff keigly talking about??? "nice hardware, where is the content?" doesn't it run basically anything that runs on windows?

No.

Confusion is a serious issue that MS is going to have to clarify for the public. If people buy this tablet in the fall and expect to install software they already own, there will be a lot of irate customers.


The only thing I'm not liking is I heard the Pro comes out 90 days later or some crap. I'm hoping it was just bad journalism from were I read it from (as I havn't seen much on it elsewere) or Microsoft is retracting that statement. Because that would be bullshit to not have the Pro at launch.
be sure to look at the Asus, Acer and Lenovo Win 8 tablet offerings before deciding.
 
I have nothing to complain about with this thing so I am going to completely make shit up! Must go don black turtleneck


; )

Looks freaking awesome, I just wish it would not have gone the apple route of 16,32,64GB versions with the inevitable $100 pricepoint between each.
 
I think the pro is $999.

I think people hoping for <800 are dreaming

Pro is very close in specs and size to Samsung S7 Slate (11.6", 2 lbs, Core i5) , which is $1299 for 128GB SSD.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/31/samsungs-series-7-slate-pc-hands-on/
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People need to keep their pricing expectations in check.

Surface RT: $500~800
Surface Pro: $1100~$1200

I'm being optimistic about Pro's price by about $100 BTW.
 
They could do an iPad Pro as well. With a digitiser.

This is probably my favorite post. Apple has needed something to kick them in the ass in the tablet space. If nothing else, Apple fanboys like Juice should be rejoicing that their cult will finally be forced to make tics instead of tocs....


or is it tocs instead of tics?
 
No.

Confusion is a serious issue that MS is going to have to clarify for the public. If people buy this tablet in the fall and expect to install software they already own, there will be a lot of irate customers.
I said this earlier they did a great job of confusing everyone. Including me initially.


Pro is very close in specs and size to Samsung S7 Slate (11.6", 2 lbs, Core i5) , which is $1299 for 128GB SSD.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/31/samsungs-series-7-slate-pc-hands-on/
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People need to keep their pricing expectations in check.

Surface RT: $500~800
Surface Pro: $1100~$1200

I'm being optimistic about Pro's price by about $100 BTW.
People are expecting miracles. When they are calling the Pro. You better expect professional grade prices.
 
It having ARM instead of an Intel is what makes it tard. I can't just install steam on it and play through my entire collection, I will instead have do with tablet style games, and if I come across any interesting programs online I'll just have to hope they exist as ARM apps.

While I agree that the Pro version is much more interesting, you won't be doing that on it either, unless your Steam collection consists of only really undemanding games. This thing is no desktop replacement; it won't have a dedicated GPU (it'll have to rely on whatever integrated circuit the i5 has), and the CPU most likely won't exactly be a powerhouse either. The i5s currently in ultrabooks are pretty damn slow compared to what you'd get in a proper laptop or (obviously) a desktop.
 
So now we're already speculating that the iPad 4 will be out before Windows 8, even though the iPad 3 came out 3 months ago?
Thought these tablets are coming a few months later than Windows 8, which would put it right around the iPad release time frame.

If Windows RT is the "tard" version, then what is an iPad?
(answer: the iPad is an immensely capable device, and so will Windows RT be an immensely capable OS, even if it doesn't have backwards compatibility)
The iPad is immensely capable due to its hundreds of thousands of apps.
 
No.

Confusion is a serious issue that MS is going to have to clarify for the public. If people buy this tablet in the fall and expect to install software they already own, there will be a lot of irate customers.

The pro does, right? Answering a blanket no seems disingenuous..
 
Thought these tablets are coming a few months later than Windows 8, which would put it right around the iPad release time frame.


The iPad is immensely capable due to its hundreds of thousands of apps.

not capable enough to stay on IRC though. that's why i'd never consider an iOS device.

and also why i'm wary of WinRT... 8 Pro or bust
 
If the pro is 4-5 months out, I can see why we don't have pricing yet.

Sooner Windows 8 RTMs, the better. Hopefully GA no later than September.
 
Pro is very close in specs and size to Samsung S7 Slate (11.6", 2 lbs, Core i5) , which is $1299 for 128GB SSD.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/31/samsungs-series-7-slate-pc-hands-on/
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People need to keep their pricing expectations in check.

Surface RT: $500~800
Surface Pro: $1100~$1200

I'm being optimistic about Pro's price by about $100 BTW.

about 300 chubs just shrunk back to their standard 3" length.


The pro does, right? Answering a blanket no seems disingenuous..
his comment was very specifically regarding a comment made about the RT. "where is the content?" was a question posted very clearly about Windows on ARM.

the "no" is very specific in that context.
 
100%. The fucking hoops I had to jump through to get iPad's for the team I work with was a giant chore. That pro? Hey guys, I need 10 new laptop replacement. Sold.

Cannot wait.

Same deal with me. I have been fighting to get I-pads for a year now. I finally went and bought one using my departments office supply budget. We need more but IT refuses to let me even connect it to my PC at work. I have to use my home PC for it. Now if it was Windows...
 
Thought these tablets are coming a few months later than Windows 8, which would put it right around the iPad release time frame.


The iPad is immensely capable due to its hundreds of thousands of apps.

They said multiple times that Surface RT will launch with Windows 8. Surface Pro would come a few months later.

I don't think apps will be a problem for long with Windows RT. Windows Phone got nearly 100k, and that's for a dubious platform that's still not successful 1.5 years in. Windows 8 will be successful whether app developers want to believe it will be successful or not.


App selection is still completely irrelevant to my entire point.
 
I said this earlier they did a great job of confusing everyone. Including me initially.

I was confused back when Windows 8 was announced. I don't understand how anybody that has the minor interest in this can be confused today.

Sure, if you're regular Joe that can't tell the difference between iPad 2 and 3 like it was said earlier in this thread, I can understand.


The "Windows RT" version, the cheaper one, runs on an ARM processor. There's no way that Regular Computer Applications (like Steam, Photoshop, Games) will run on it.

The "Windows 8 Pro" version is an Intel processor, that runs both ARM Applications *AND* "regular computer applications".

It's not as hard as people make it out to be.
 
I was confused back when Windows 8 was announced. I don't understand how anybody that has the minor interest in this can be confused.

Sure, if you're regular Joe that can't tell the difference between iPad 2 and 3 like it was said earlier in this thread, I can understand.


The "Windows RT" version, the cheaper one, runs on an ARM processor. There's no way that Regular Computer Applications (like Steam, Photoshop, Games) will run on it.

The "Windows 8 Pro" version is an Intel processor, that runs both ARM Applications *AND* "regular computer applications".


It's not as hard as people make it out to be.

RT version doesn't have stylus support either. We now know but during the presser they left that detail out until the end.
 
They said multiple times that Surface RT will launch with Windows 8. Surface Pro would come a few months later.

I don't think apps will be a problem for long with Windows RT. Windows Phone got nearly 100k, and that's for a dubious platform that's still not successful 1.5 years in. Windows 8 will be successful whether app developers want to believe it will be successful or not.


App selection is still completely irrelevant to my entire point.

The WinRT platform is also much better than what they have on the current Windows Phone side so that will help. C/C++ and HTML5 apps will boost that number quickly.

basically like any website with 10 additional lines of code is a Windows 8 app.
 
I was confused back when Windows 8 was announced. I don't understand how anybody that has the minor interest in this can be confused.

Sure, if you're regular Joe that can't tell the difference between iPad 2 and 3 like it was said earlier in this thread, I can understand.


The "Windows RT" version, the cheaper one, runs on an ARM processor. There's no way that Regular Computer Applications (like Steam, Photoshop, Games) will run on it.

The "Windows 8 Pro" version is an Intel processor, that runs both ARM Applications *AND* "regular computer applications".

It's not as hard as people make it out to be.

exactly. It's about as confusing as the new Macbooks - MBP and MBP with retina. People will figure it out because there's hardly anything to figure out (and since they're, smartly, not releasing at the same time).
 
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