Microsoft Surface Tablet announced

Status
Not open for further replies.
I'm not sure what the problem is . Its 2lbs . The first ipad was 1.6lbs . Is .4lbs really going to break your arm off ?
Why not add another .4-.5lbs and get an ultrabook, is it really going to break your arm off?
There's the Vaio Z 13" at 2.5lbs and the 11.6 MBA at 2.38 lbs, both are faster than this "pro" tablet as well.

Having used the HP touchpad and the iPad 3, I know for a fact that they are on the edge of being too heavy to use comfortably as a tablet. And I am not a weak guy, I bench 150 lbs despite only working out twice a week, but my ipad 3 is borderline too heavy.
 
Why not add another .5lbs and get an ultrabook, is .4 lbs really going to break your arm off?
There's the Vaio Z 13" at 2.5lbs and the 11.6 MBA at 2.38 lbs, both are faster than this "pro" tablet as well.

Having used the HP touchpad and the iPad 3, I know for a fact that they are on the edge of being too heavy to use comfortably as a tablet. And I am not a weak guy, I bench 150 lbs despite only working out twice a week, but my ipad 3 is borderline too heavy.

Next you're going to tell me you do 4 lb curls.
 
Like I wasn't even talking about Apple. Why are we going there. People just go there assuming its an easy out "but apple does this or that"

We always want to know how much ram is in the new iPad. Not sure how this is any different. We always want to know the specs on the processors and the pixel count on the screen.

I know. I think it's bullshit when companies ACTIVELY don't tell you what they're selling you.

I'm just saying that it's something that companies do. And it works. Case in point: Apple being the best seller Tablet Vendor on the market.
 
All the tvs I buy say 720p or 1080p on the box. Where is this terminology?

Hmm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p said:
Sometimes referred to in marketing materials as Full HD, 1080p typically refers to the capability to accept 1080p signal and display it with native resolution of at least 1080 lines, as well as the capability to upscale lower-resolution material to 1080p.

I think it's actually pretty common for vendors to say "HD" when they mean a screen around 720p or so, and "Full HD" to mean a screen around 1080p or so.
 
How will the kickstand alleviate anything when you're holding it? That's my point -- if you have to rely on the kickstand and set it on a desk, why not just buy an Ultrabook? All the great tablet software will be designed as if you were holding the device. That's the whole point of owning a tablet. If you're not doing that then... why?

If they price this competitively with a Macbook Air 11", then Apple has something to worry about.

This is thinner and lighter than a Macbook Air, supports touch and pen input, has a bigger battery (so battery life should be comparable) and a MUCH better screen (1080p vs. 768p).
 
58mOV.png


So this spec sheet is 100 percent clear?

WTF is full HD vs. HD ? LOL

Your average joe has no clue what the difference is between windows 8 and windows RT.

1366x768 vs 1920x1080
ARM (Tegra 3?) vs Intel Core i5/i7
Capacitive Touch vs Capacitive Touch + EMR pen
32/64GB vs 64/128GB
Win 8 Metro apps only vs Win 8 Metro + Win 7 apps
1.5 lbs vs 2lbs
 
I know. I think it's bullshit when companies ACTIVELY don't tell you what they're selling you.

I'm just saying that it's something that companies do. And it works. Case in point: Apple being the best seller Tablet Vendor on the market.
The people buying iPads don't care. People buying laptop replacements do. Leave the specs out for the RT version but tell people about the Pro.

1366x768 vs 1920x1080
ARM (Tegra 3?) vs Intel Core i5/i7
Capacitive Touch vs Capacitive Touch + EMR pen
32/64GB vs 64/128GB
Win 8 Metro apps only vs Win 8 Metro + Win 7 apps
1.5 lbs vs 2lbs
How many i5/i7s are there?
 
If i'm paying ultrabook prices, i'd much rather have a real ultrabook with a proper keyboard and touchpad instead.
RT model seems neat though.
They offer 2 keyboards. The super thing cover with multi-touch, and a mechanical keyboard if you want it to be like a true laptop.




Caught up reading live streams, so I'm not sure of all the facts as that's all I read.

USB 2.0 is kind of a loser for a 2012 product though. Pretty lame there.

Built-in kickstand is also pretty tacky, but the device still manages to look fairly slick.

The cover/keyboard looks pretty interesting though (highlight of the show). I'd like to fool around with that.
USB 3.0 doesn't exist in on ARM SoC MoBo's as far as I know.

Surface Pro (the Intel Windows 8 tablets) does have USB 3.0




Isn't that backwards?
lol yes




Disappointed there was nothing about integration of Smartglass and Xbox
Because there's nothing to show beyond what was at E3. It's not like they magically finished it in a week.




When is MS?
You have GOT to be kidding. fucking lol




720p on the RT one, 1080p on the Pro.
1366 x 768 for the RT model actually (that's the minimum requirement).




Did anyone do this yet:

ballman.jpg
holy shit

LOL




If it's a Core i5 < 2 pounds, it'd probably need to be less than half the kwh storage as the MacBook Air. I'd guess that means 3-5.
Per the specs, it's a 42 Watt-hour battery - so no. It's actually a bigger batter than the 11" Airs (35 W-h)

http://www.microsoft.com/global/surface/en/us/renderingassets/surfacespecsheet.pdf




Can you actually play xbla games on windows 8? Or just access the marketplace?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=478172

Seems to be the direction they are going.




The RT tablet is "HD", and the Pro is "Full HD"? What does that mean? The RT is lower than 1920x1080?

They realize Apple is shipping 2048x1536 for $499, right?
You do realize they chose that resolution for app compatibility reasons? 1080p is 'retina' by Apple's own definition. And if you believe their marketing, higher isn't actually needed.

As for the RT's 1366 x 768, yes ... it's not retina, but it's also the same res as Apple's own 11" displays. So this will look a bit better.




No.

Windows 8 has it's own marketplace. For MetroUI apps that will run on tablets and desktops.

Why, when this question is asked, do people only ask about XBLA games? Do people not realize XBLA games take the same hardware power as full blown Xbox 360 games, and thus, any device that actually runs XBLA games could just be described as running Xbox 360 games?
There are a lot of limitations on performance for the games using XNA.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=478172




HD probably means 720p at 1280x720.
768p




RT tablet would be perfect if it also had a 1080p screen.
Since it doesn't run desktop apps (well, other than office) ... it's not really needed (not that I'd complain mind you :D)




One thought about the keyboard - it looks great and very compact but it's kinda floppy I don't know if it could really replace my MacBook Air which while super-light is still sturdy enough to balance nicely on my lap when I'm on the couch.
They also offer an actual physical keyboard as well, which makes it like a traditional Ultrabook/Air.

Still thin, but obviously not the ridiculous 3mm that the touch-based cover offers.




RT has Micro HD, Pro has mini DisplayPort.

Both work with HDMI.




The Verge guys say MS is only showing the RT version and apparently the RT version ships first.

Maybe I am projecting based on my own tastes but in order of priority the pro seems a far bigger game changer than RT.


What am I missing?
You're missing that they're waiting for the next Ivy Bridge rev in order to get improved battery life IIRC




well you can..but you can't snap apps to side..metro runs fine at 1280x800
The official HW requirements specification for Windows RT devices has 1366x768 as the minimum. Anything less would not pass certification.




I had no idea text maxes out at 1080P. Lol.
So what you're saying is Apple's actual claims for what defines retina are complete garbage?
 
1366x768 vs 1920x1080
ARM (Tegra 3?) vs Intel Core i5/i7
Capacitive Touch vs Capacitive Touch + EMR pen
32/64GB vs 64/128GB
Win 8 Metro apps only vs Win 8 Metro + Win 7 apps
1.5 lbs vs 2lbs

sums it up.

The market will be there for Win8 Pro devices. Market is hella questionable for Windows RT devices. We'll see how that goes.
 
One spec that isn't on any spec sheet is battery life. If its decent you talk about it. If you leave it out it usually means you are hiding something or have no clue.
 
What is the appeal to having steam on a tablet? You can't play many (any?) Steam games without a keyboard and mouse. So now you've plugged in a mouse, and have this floppy keyboard, which you need a hard surface on to use (and who knows how good the keyboard would be for gaming). You'd need to really dial down the graphics for a lot of games too, no?

Look at it this way.


I go out with a messanger bag , i put a 2lb tablet and a mouse inside my bad. While I'm on the bus i can watch videos and play touch games. Then I get to my office , now i can sit and play whatever game i want . Then I can go to a meeting and take notes with the pen. Then I can go to lunch .


IF I wanted to bring even a mac book air plus a tablet it be what 1.45lbs for the ipad and 2.8lbs for the air . Now i have 2 devices a bunch of wires and a lost less space aside from the extra weight.

If i go tablet with an ultra book your looking at what 1.5lbs + 3 lbs ? And once again a bunch of stupid crap will have to be carried with.


When i go on vacation a single tablet with a keyboard acessory would be infintly better than a tablet / ultra book.
 
So when Apple says "it's the fastest iPad yet", not revealing the proper speed of their CPUs, it's ok.

When Microsoft says one is "HD Display" and the other one is "Full HD Display", which I have 85% certainty that it clearly means one is 720p, the other is 1080p (Like, you know, fucking televisions? HD-Ready and Full-HD televisions?), they shot themselves in the foot?

Shot themselves in the foot? What are you talking about? The hang ups some of you have with Apple are weird.

I'm not sure what the problem is . Its 2lbs . The first ipad was 1.6lbs . Is .4lbs really going to break your arm off ?

If its to heavy mabye it will improve your health by working your arms out a bit.

The iPad also wasn't $1000, if that 'Ultrabook pricing' comment holds true.

That's kinda the point. That price point is a different market. And chances are you will have some really nice W8 Ultrabooks by then. Should be interesting.

Are there ultrabooks with seemingly really good touch screens?

We'll have to see how good they will be, but they will be coming. Acer has already announced some, for example.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/3/3061903/acer-introduces-s7-touchscreen-windows-8-ultrabooks
 
Next you're going to tell me you do 4 lb curls.
Not into lifting weights or anything, but when I say 150lbs, that's the weight I can do 3x10 reps without anyone helping out with spotting. Never try to see how much I can lift just once, I'm sure it's more than that.
As I said, not into that culture, my whole point in going to the gym is because "I want to look good naked"
 
One spec that isn't on any spec sheet is battery life. If its decent you talk about it. If you leave it out it usually means you are hiding something or have no clue.

The battery capacity is there. You can probably estimate the battery life if you read between the lines.

I think the Pro will have battery life comparable or better than the 11" Macbook Air.
 
sums it up.

The market will be there for Win8 Pro devices. Market is hella questionable for Windows RT devices. We'll see how that goes.

What market? Where is the Windows market for 1000+ devices? The vast vast vast majority of windows laptops that sell are more like half of what the Pro tablet will cost.
 
What will be more confusing is that RT comes with MS Office installed. Pro will require what, an extra $150 for MS Office Home edition?

that's fascinating too.

how many will bite on the RT because of Office and simply grit and bear it until other high-quality Metro-only apps come along?

Not I, but it will be interesting to watch. Either way, I'm looking forward to replacing my existing HP Elitebook TabletPC.
 
Look at it this way.


I go out with a messanger bag , i put a 2lb tablet and a mouse inside my bad. While I'm on the bus i can watch videos and play touch games. Then I get to my office , now i can sit and play whatever game i want . Then I can go to a meeting and take notes with the pen. Then I can go to lunch .


IF I wanted to bring even a mac book air plus a tablet it be what 1.45lbs for the ipad and 2.8lbs for the air . Now i have 2 devices a bunch of wires and a lost less space aside from the extra weight.

If i go tablet with an ultra book your looking at what 1.5lbs + 3 lbs ? And once again a bunch of stupid crap will have to be carried with.


When i go on vacation a single tablet with a keyboard acessory would be infintly better than a tablet / ultra book.

Will this tablet really have the beef to play any game you want? And again, do you think the keyboard will be gaming quality? I get the appeal of being able to install Steam, I just question the practicality of actually playing Steam games on it.
 
There are a lot of limitations on performance for the games using XNA.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=478172

I am well aware of this.

XNA is the manged freeware API MS releases for people to build games for the XBLA Indy marketplace.

It is not the API XBLA devs use to create their mainstream XBLA games.

It a device is ever launched that can "play XBLA games," then it should also be physically capable of playing Xbox 360 games (in the code execution standpint.)

It's the same underlying API. XBLA games are just Xbox 360 games that meet certain size requirements and are vetted and licensed via a different process.

The size requirements would make XBLA more naturally suited for a smaller platform, but the hardware still wouldn't be limited to XBLA games. It would be a marketing decision if MS ever did that.

(not that this is ever going to happen, I don't think MS has any interest in mingling Xbox and Windows in that fashion.. quite the opposite really)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom