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Microsoft Surface Tablet announced
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Gary Whitta
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I think there's a decent chance there won't be multiple colors at launch.
why ?
Its an ms product , what stores will be carrying them ? The MS online/retail stores , Online retailers who will prob have MS just drop ship them and then a few bigger retail stores ?
It shouldn't be to bad at all.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Here's my question:
Will you be able to run any windows executables on the Pro version? In other words, can I install steam, and photoshop, and my favorite chat client, etc? Can I get around the Metro UI and just have a windows 7 look?
Does anyone know?
Will you be able to run any windows executables on the Pro version? In other words, can I install steam, and photoshop, and my favorite chat client, etc? Can I get around the Metro UI and just have a windows 7 look?
Does anyone know?
Wiktor
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Those look nice, but I would rather go for x86 transformer or wait for similiar THinkpad hybrid.
For one, with the stand in back and very light dock, there's no way this thing can hold on lap in a notebook mode. And second, those keyboards looks absolutely horrifingly uncomfortable to type at.
Still, good to see MS pushing their platform in such way. I wonder if it would be possible for some third party to make a more solid Transformer like dock for it.
For one, with the stand in back and very light dock, there's no way this thing can hold on lap in a notebook mode. And second, those keyboards looks absolutely horrifingly uncomfortable to type at.
Still, good to see MS pushing their platform in such way. I wonder if it would be possible for some third party to make a more solid Transformer like dock for it.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
So are the keyboard covers going to be separate or bundled in?
Also like everyone the main thing that really matters that we don't yet know is the price for these things as well as the price for the keyboard surface covers if they are sold separate.
I'm torn. I know the Win 8 versions are going to be expensive, and the price won't come down for a while. Yet I'm not totally sure if I'd hate my purchase of the RT version and keep having buyers remorse for not just getting the full on Win 8 version. Funk idk....
Also I wish they sold the hardware in different colors to match the covers. Maybe that's just me though.
Also like everyone the main thing that really matters that we don't yet know is the price for these things as well as the price for the keyboard surface covers if they are sold separate.
I'm torn. I know the Win 8 versions are going to be expensive, and the price won't come down for a while. Yet I'm not totally sure if I'd hate my purchase of the RT version and keep having buyers remorse for not just getting the full on Win 8 version. Funk idk....
Also I wish they sold the hardware in different colors to match the covers. Maybe that's just me though.
Complex Shadow
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Yes. Yes. And no. Metro stays.
anything that runs on windows 7 in my experiance runs on windows 8 .
You can use the desktop mostly but you'll go into metro sometimes. I'm not sure why on a touch screen tablet you would want to stay in the desktop though.
It'll be running windows 8 x86 version, so anything you can do in the windows 8 release preview (yes to steam, chat etc) getting around metro ui though? why would you want to do that on a tablet? Crazy talk.
This thing looks so sexy.Gary Whitta
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Yes to all of the above.
nvm I didnt read that right at all.
Actually a lot of people shat on the iPad when it was announced.
Pro version runs Windows 8, which means it is a full up Windows PC. Metro UI will still be there for the start screen
Uh oh
Ninja Scooter
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nvm I didnt read that right at all.
no. 1: Plenty of people were skeptical as all hell of the first iPad
no. 2: Nobody claimed Apple invented the tablet PC
no. 3: Stupid Apple/MS comparison pics are stupid.
Gary Whitta
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Plus pre-iPad versions of the tablet PC were such a joke I don't think they even count. I could have put wheels on a horse before Henry Ford released the Model-T but I don't think I could have claimed to have invented the car before he did.
chickdigger802
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silly question but... what does RT in win RT stand for?
nvm I didnt read that right at all.
Tech gets better with time. A lot of companies innovate, apple as of late just waits until the tech catches up to form a viable business model. Not like Microsoft was even the first.
freenudemacusers
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nvm I didnt read that right at all.
Nobody cared because it was shitty.
Al-ibn Kermit
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That's what I'm wondering. Does the kickstand lock in at several different angles?
They're marketing this device with the keyboard, so it needs to work on any surface you would use laptop.
Actually, now that I think about it, you would never be able to use the keyboard in bed since it's impossible for the tablet to be orthogonal to the keyboard. So that's one limitation.
That's exactly how I feel about it. I can see who these would appeal to but personally I want a powered dock rather than an attachable magnetic keyboard.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Thank you to everyone who answered my question. My followup question:
If Metro UI stays, how exactly does that work in installing and running other software? It no longer seems window-based (I mean literally resize able windows within the GUI and stuff). How do you launch something like Steam? How is something like mIRC displayed? Does Metro UI mess with how programs look/operate? What about the standard file system and windows explorer? Are those the same?
I'm just really confused, because I don't see how I could operate my desktop using the Metro UI. Are there any videos that might be able to explain to me how my classic windows experience can mesh with this UI?
If Metro UI stays, how exactly does that work in installing and running other software? It no longer seems window-based (I mean literally resize able windows within the GUI and stuff). How do you launch something like Steam? How is something like mIRC displayed? Does Metro UI mess with how programs look/operate? What about the standard file system and windows explorer? Are those the same?
I'm just really confused, because I don't see how I could operate my desktop using the Metro UI. Are there any videos that might be able to explain to me how my classic windows experience can mesh with this UI?
WinRT is the new API for creating Metro applications. Windows RT is a version of Windows that pretty much only runs Metro applications. RT in WinRT is runtime, in Windows RT... I don't know that it makes that much sense.
RyougaSaotome
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I see no reason to take the dive on the RT version when I'm pretty anchored with all the apps and cloud stuff I have going on with my iPad.
As for the Pro, it definitely looks sweet, but battery life is going to make or break it. In terms of games, I'm content being able to play Phantasy Star Online 2 with decent settings on my current Macbook Air. Plus I enjoy being able to run Windows and OSX easily on one computer.
If the Pro's battery lasts as long as my Air's, there's really no point in buying it for me. A big part of the attraction of tablets is the battery life. Plus a grand is just too much on my end. =/
As for the Pro, it definitely looks sweet, but battery life is going to make or break it. In terms of games, I'm content being able to play Phantasy Star Online 2 with decent settings on my current Macbook Air. Plus I enjoy being able to run Windows and OSX easily on one computer.
If the Pro's battery lasts as long as my Air's, there's really no point in buying it for me. A big part of the attraction of tablets is the battery life. Plus a grand is just too much on my end. =/
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
What's the screen res on these things? Are these things clear black tech amoleds?
I find the picture amusing, but everyone's right. iPad had a pretty lukewarm reception, and it seemed only awhile later did people (myself included) start to "get it". Though I also find it hard to say Microsoft just stole the idea given they took the idea and threw every damn thing they could think of into it.nvm I didnt read that right at all.
bigtroyjon
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Henry Ford didn't invent the car.
Joe Shlabotnik
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2010 was two years ago, are some people really forgetting that the iPad announcement got a lukewarm reception?
Gary Whitta
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Damn, that's my entire point invalidated.
you can pin desktop apps to the start screen (metro ui), or you can just pin them to the desktop taskbar, create a desktop shortcut or search for it. Desktop apps are displayed in the desktop.
Windows 8 is basically the familiar desktop + the metro ui, which replaces the start menu.
Gary Whitta
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Yup, all the haters were posting "big iPhone" pics and that was the overall theme. They utterly missed the point of why it was compelling.
should have been iSlate, SNL made it damn clear how dumb apple's naming department was.
You still have the full desktop. You can probably just look on youtube for a walk through of the consumer preview
I hope Microsoft allows all PC manufacturers to copy the Surface's design, and even allow for keyboard accessory compatibility. Here's hoping for competitive pricing on all Surface-like devices!
I'll just have to wait and see i guess. I used to carry around a 2 kg convertible tablet as well as an extended battery to use OneNote to record lectures, do annotations and take notes. Hence the need for an precise and responsive pen.
Now most classes are recorded and the notes put online so it may not be as useful as it once was for me. But I do like that that functionality is coming to these form factors with reasonable battery life
Shogmaster
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HP 2710p pre dates iPad by good 2 years. And it's largely the same as the new 2760p, save for Core 2 Duo instead of Core i5/7, plus added cap touch. I used 2740p running Win7 everyday for work and home, and it's an excellent tablet. So you are full of shit on this notion that somehow iPad magically changed the existing Tablet PC from crap to good.
Interficium
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nvm I didnt read that right at all.
What is this supposed to be telling us?
Oh, I know.
That Microsoft had an idea then failed miserably to execute it.
Innovation is idea + execution.
The Pro is a hybrid ultrabook ... and many see it has having a more attractive form-factor. Not sure what you mean?
Gary Whitta
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That must be why tablets were so hugely popular before the iPad.
The Abominable Snowman
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The RT version of W8 will have the ability to play many, if not most, Windows Phone apps. Additionally, this is a TABLET we're talking about. Stylus and all, For some reason Apple is against touch screen laptops.
I bought a HP convertible Touchscreen laptop in 2008/09 and have been hooked since.
And youre comparing your iPad AND Macbook pro versus ONE tablet/laptop product.
The troll post does have some degree of saliency to it though.
The features found in the Win 8 Pro tablet that we're getting excited about here... is closer to the features found in the original tablets than they are to the iPad.
And they've innovated a fair whack with the Metro UI - I don't think you can make comparisons of similarity there.
Aesthetically, you can definetly draw similarities between the two - primarily in the area of the coloured cover. But there are enough differences (primarily in form factor) that you're not going to mistake one for the other, unless you don't care about computer stuff at all.
So really... what you have is really what you see - a rebranding/relaunching of their Tablet based products to compete with a burgeoning and growing market.
Personally, I think they should've contracted either Logitech or Nokia industrial designers. Even the Courier was looking pretty good/different in the mockups.
Shogmaster
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The one that you guys are going ga ga over is more like the Gates Tablet PC than the iPad. The execution was fine. It just wasn't for the home consumer. It was for business users and vertical markets.
nvm I didnt read that right at all.
How was the Tablet PC? I completely forgot about that.
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