SkoomaSuckinSwit
Member
The trailer + that song sold me on the game.
Bought Day1, no regrets. It was actually only $40 new through Amazon.
Still pop it in - love the co-op action. Some of the best there is.
EDGE: Syndicate Sold 150,000 Copies.
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The trailer + that song sold me on the game.
Bought Day1, no regrets. It was actually only $40 new through Amazon.
Still pop it in - love the co-op action. Some of the best there is.
Green Yoshi
Member
I would have bought it if it was like Deus Ex 1, but I don't need another mediocrore shooter.
CosmicQueso
Member
Next time they just won't bother. Games like this are a big red flag on what not to do. Despite whatever nuances are pointed to on boards.
Syndicate was a decent, entertaining SP experience and a great experiment in co-op MP. I recommend people play it (not play the demo, not read a review, actually play it). It reminded me a lot of SP shooters back in the late 90's/early 00's that were pretty straightforward with plots that made no sense but had a cool mechanic or two.
But really, games bombing don't lead to better games, it only leads to less similar games like it in the market.
I often wonder this myself... LOVED the original!
is it certain that they are selling it for 60 dollars on pc? they don't give it the console price treatment where i live.
It will probably be $50. 2K is one of the groups that still respect the $50 price point on PC.
NullPointer
Member
And they shouldn't if this is these are their best ideas.
Haunted
Member
It was a solid FPS in an interesting setting.
It really should've been a cyberpunk game within a new IP (it's not like it's using anything truly specific to Syndicate that could not have been in/from any cyberpunk universe) instead of reviving an old IP.
I'm generally a bit puzzled - they must've been hoping to invoke the old fanbase, but the interview makes it clear that they were anticipating that the change in genre would actually achieve the opposite, alienating the core base and killing the word of mouth instead of helping it.
So it was a pretty strange decision, overall.
It really should've been a cyberpunk game within a new IP (it's not like it's using anything truly specific to Syndicate that could not have been in/from any cyberpunk universe) instead of reviving an old IP.
I'm generally a bit puzzled - they must've been hoping to invoke the old fanbase, but the interview makes it clear that they were anticipating that the change in genre would actually achieve the opposite, alienating the core base and killing the word of mouth instead of helping it.
So it was a pretty strange decision, overall.
I just assumed because most pc games are coming out at a $60 and it's listed here in canada at that pricepoint.
It's possible but so far I keep seeing it at the $60 pricepoint.
Placeholders most likely. I'd wait for the steam page and price to go live.
Absolutely, If it launches at the $50 pricepoint than more power to them.
SkoomaSuckinSwit
Member
Playing SYNDICATE on Expert difficulty was very challenging at times.
Remember taking an hour to beat 1 final section of a map vs 4 enemy agents.
Watching the enemy agents revive & heal each other in what was basically a standoff firefight was impressive.
Actually had to pick one of the more adventurous agents, aggro him & lead him away from the group to weaken them. Then have my team intercept and occupy the others while I fought him 1-on1 to take him down. Everyone was reviving/healing each other. An epic battle.
Guess you didn't like the Shadowrun FPS either, huh?
One of the best FPS this generation, imo. Nothing else like it.
Remember taking an hour to beat 1 final section of a map vs 4 enemy agents.
Watching the enemy agents revive & heal each other in what was basically a standoff firefight was impressive.
Actually had to pick one of the more adventurous agents, aggro him & lead him away from the group to weaken them. Then have my team intercept and occupy the others while I fought him 1-on1 to take him down. Everyone was reviving/healing each other. An epic battle.
Guess you didn't like the Shadowrun FPS either, huh?
One of the best FPS this generation, imo. Nothing else like it.
So they have an awesome franchise with a great setting and notice that a competitor is making waves with their franchise revival in a similar setting.
So they have three choices:
Make a direct sequel. Sure its not a genre that is as popular as it was back then but you can advertise it as a return to form and giving the people what they want.
Make a game that uses the setting correctly and apes the other franchise. Ok, so maybe that sort of game is too risky, so why not copy the game that has you rebooting this franchise in the first place? If done well this could also make you some money and while you'll piss off some fans you can still keep most of them happy by using this well fleshed out setting with a proven formula.
Or you could make a ho-hum, by the books shooter with very little of the old setting, piss off everybody, and sell only a few thousand copies.
So they have three choices:
Make a direct sequel. Sure its not a genre that is as popular as it was back then but you can advertise it as a return to form and giving the people what they want.
Make a game that uses the setting correctly and apes the other franchise. Ok, so maybe that sort of game is too risky, so why not copy the game that has you rebooting this franchise in the first place? If done well this could also make you some money and while you'll piss off some fans you can still keep most of them happy by using this well fleshed out setting with a proven formula.
Or you could make a ho-hum, by the books shooter with very little of the old setting, piss off everybody, and sell only a few thousand copies.
CosmicQueso
Member
I'm talking about a publisher funding a revamp of an old IP like this. Somewhere in a Greenlight for a refresh of an old IP, someone will say "sounds great, but remember The Syndicate? We can't do this, too risky." And that will be that.
And if X-Com doesn't sell to expectations as well? Then forget about any more revivals for a while.
NullPointer
Member
As a Shadowrun game? No. Not even close. And even if I wasn't a Shadowrun fan it sure as hell wasn't worth it for the price and platforms asked.
Understood, and yes, if these are their ideas of revamping old IPs then they can stay dead. I have more faith in fan kickstarter project than the big publishers.
It's sad, but that's probably whats going to happen.
Denial at its finest.
Look at what Firaxis is doing (or at least trying) with X-Com. Look at Deus Ex. You can evolve an old formula, there are multiple elements of Syndicate that could have been updated for a new game. Instead of that you picked the easiest route.
But sure, blame the journalists and the vocal old community and say how proud you are instead, that will make your problems go away.
Look at what Firaxis is doing (or at least trying) with X-Com. Look at Deus Ex. You can evolve an old formula, there are multiple elements of Syndicate that could have been updated for a new game. Instead of that you picked the easiest route.
But sure, blame the journalists and the vocal old community and say how proud you are instead, that will make your problems go away.
When revamping the IP entails it chasing after the Call of Duty audience--even to the point where they have to change the IP's original genre--then, yes, it would be better to keep those IPs buried. As others said, Deus Ex: Human Revolution is a perfect example of staying true to the franchise while updating it with modern gaming conventions. Every IP update doesn't have to chase Call of Duty or Gears of War or Uncharted. But apparently that notion doesn't exist in publisher's minds.
TimeEffect
Member
What the hell is Syndicate, again?
NullPointer
Member
The worst part of this may be that even shifting it to a FPS didn't alleviate EA's worries.
How much would they have had to transform it to make it less risky?Edge Article said:
SpaceDrake
Member
If that's true, I really have to wonder how badly the game was hurt saleswise by not being on Steam.
I mean, it probably wouldn't have helped THAT much, but it still would have helped. Especially since it'd be getting a Steam Sale or two soon.
I mean, it probably wouldn't have helped THAT much, but it still would have helped. Especially since it'd be getting a Steam Sale or two soon.
I H8 Memes
Member
He says they have a small team, but surely they have at least 2 people working for them. That's enough for 1 guy to tell the other that the ultra bright bloom looks fucking terrible.
PrinceOfApathy
Banned
If they can come flat out and tell me why it had to be a First Person shooter then I'd swallow their horse shit. It could have been anything under the sun, just admit you tried top pidgeon hole the I.P into an exterior that would lend itself favourably to Call of Duty 12 to 17 yr olds and it back fired.
dragonflys545
Member
Not surprised... Thought the game was boring playing the Demo.
Conciliator
Banned
Man, 150K is atrocious. That's too bad. I bet that Giant Bomb review was responsible for about 20K of it.
GillianSeed79
Member
I kind of feel bad for Starbreeze. They are the guys that made the Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay Xbox game right? They seem like they are a studio with talent, but have had bad luck with the financial success of their products. Didn't Syndicate get pretty good reviews too?
I'd be more willing to blame the poor sales on the over saturated FPS market rather than Syndicate fans balking at their beloved IP being changed into a FPS. Both Syndicate and X-Com are kind of old IP's at this point. It's probably akin to trying to launch a new IP rather than fans of the IP not liking the direction of the reboot.
I'd be more willing to blame the poor sales on the over saturated FPS market rather than Syndicate fans balking at their beloved IP being changed into a FPS. Both Syndicate and X-Com are kind of old IP's at this point. It's probably akin to trying to launch a new IP rather than fans of the IP not liking the direction of the reboot.
Once I saw that it was going to be a FPS, I automatically removed it from my radar. If they were trying to sell the game to those who remembered the original, then changing it's genre wasn't a good idea at all. Otherwise, they could have named the game something else and have been fine. Might even have worked better for them considering how much the game sold.
I don't think anyone would have complained if the game was like the original games.
I don't think anyone would have complained if the game was like the original games.
NullPointer
Member
Yep. Any idea how well (or bad) the Darkness 2 did? That was a great game.
Nope. Just a different game with a similar name.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
In all honesty, I was interested when it was first announced but I never followed it closely enough to get a sense of its release date. For whatever reason, I don't think they did a good job of reminding gamers that it was out there.
Maybe if they made the game more like Syndicated and less like COD they would have sold more copies.
I personally enjoyed the game but their is no denying how limited the scope was of the single player campaign. This game should have been an open world city where you choose which missions you want to accomplish, along with the cyper punk/corporate feel and you would have had a much better game.
I personally enjoyed the game but their is no denying how limited the scope was of the single player campaign. This game should have been an open world city where you choose which missions you want to accomplish, along with the cyper punk/corporate feel and you would have had a much better game.
I H8 Memes
Member
Fallout 3 succeeded because it was a post apocalyptic open world fps. It fit a niche that had so far been completely ignored. That type of game was something that would obviously do well if it was well made. Much like an open world game set in the future would. Yet still no one has made one of those. But when someone does make a good one it will be huge.
Idiots probably could have released a PC exclusive isometric tactics/strategy game and sold twice that. Probably would have cost less to make, less to advertise and they could have sold it exclusively through Origin and kept a bigger piece of the purse.
But nooooooooo, had to make it a console FPS sold on a disc because that's what everybody else is doing.
But nooooooooo, had to make it a console FPS sold on a disc because that's what everybody else is doing.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Fallout 3 succeeded because it was a Betheseda game and a pretty good one. Syndicate is just an EA game, and people don't line up to buy EA non-sports games.
This surprises me greatly considering the Syndicate reboot was a chart topper for almost a full month.
I want to say that even if it reaches $5, I still wouldn't buy it after all the horrible feedback I've heard about the game. Plus not wanting to do any part of encouraging this nasty trend lately of terrible franchise reboots, however small.
On tpb that is. Like Need for Speed: The Run.