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The Formula 1 2012 Season |OT| The Year of the...uh...Platypus?

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I may be giving him too much credit, but I think Maldonado's move was somewhat calculated. Yes, he was off track and yes he was obligated to rejoin in a safe manner. But the fact of the matter is that Hamilton took him very wide through there to take advantage of the fact that he was in a position where he wouldn't be allowed to complete the pass.

I think Maldonado's move makes Hamilton (and other drivers) think twice about taking advantage of him in situations like that in the future. You're not gaining respect (or fear) from the top drivers if you roll over every time they muscle you off the line.

Maldonado was definitely in the wrong, but he was in that position because Hamilton didn't fear reprisal for running him wide. I think he will the next time.

It reminds me of the Senna segment on Top Gear where they talked to Martin Brundle (I think) about Senna's driving style. He said Senna liked to put you in situations where you were either going to let him by or one of you was going to wreck. The rub was that, if you lifted, he knew he was in your head from then on.

But as stated above, in this case Hamilton was senna. Maldonado didn't put Hamilton in a situation, he WAS in the situation where he should choose to crash or not.

I don't think he's gaining any respect over there. Otherwise, karthucucumber would be the most feared driver of all times.
 
But as stated above, in this case Hamilton was senna. Maldonado didn't put Hamilton in a situation, he WAS in the situation where he should choose to crash or not.

I don't think he's gaining any respect over there. Otherwise, karthucucumber would be the most feared driver of all times.

I'm not saying it was that exact situation. I'm saying the style is similar.

Maldonado started a pass, Hamilton ran him wide. Totally legal and within his right, but also not all that sporting and gets done way too much in F1.
 
I'm not saying it was that exact situation. I'm saying the style is similar.

Maldonado started a pass, Hamilton ran him wide. Totally legal and within his right, but also not all that sporting and gets done way too much in F1.

True, maldonado did it twice this race only. At the start with Kimi and even being more aggressive when he passed webber.

He found his match in recklessness? Lol
 
True, maldonado did it twice this race only. At the start with Kimi and even being more aggressive when he passed webber.

He found his match in recklessness? Lol


Yeah I was gonna mention this, he kinda blocked grosjean at the start, ran Kimi off the road, ran Webber off the track and then ran into Hamilton. Dude met his match! Remember when they use to call Vettel T-bone 5 years ago. Lols
 
True, maldonado did it twice this race only. At the start with Kimi and even being more aggressive when he passed webber.

He found his match in recklessness? Lol
Yup, he found the one guy who wouldn't push back. Which is why I'm 100% on the side of Hamilton in this one. If Webber did the same thing, *he* would've been out of the race. Hopefully Prupose learnt that people actually fight back.

It was just even better that Maldonado lost a podium out of it, not just one of the minor placings. Guessing he won't be that far up again for a while.

Edit: Fucking sweeeet:
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Edit #2: There's some here, too. One on this page, another on the next. Still no name, though :(
 
Mhmm.

Also you guys seen this?

Bernie Ecclestone open to idea of customer cars for small F1 teams in 2013

Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone is open to the idea of customer cars returning to the sport next year in a bid to help smaller teams.

While there has some talk of bigger outfits being allowed to run three cars in the future, Ecclestone remains sceptical about that idea moving forward.

However, he does suggest that an alternative proposal would be to allow smaller teams to buy year-old cars.

This would not only help them financially - because they would not need the expense of designing and building their own challenger - but would also make the grid more competitive.

When asked by Gazzetta dello Sport about the possibility of third cars in F1, Ecclestone said: "I don't think it will happen. But I would like to see some of the smaller teams with a single car sold by a top team, which had been used the previous year. Perhaps it could be driven by a rookie."

Ecclestone believes the plan could be put in place as early as 2013.

"I would like that," he said. "Some teams would certainly get better results compared to now and spend less, immediately."

F1 teams are currently involved in negotiations with the FIA about framing new cost-cutting regulations, with their latest meeting taking place in the Valencia paddock ahead of this weekend's European Grand Prix.

Ecclestone believes that F1 costs are not in line with helping deliver the best show for the sport - which is why a cost cap to limit expenditure of the teams could be a way forward.

"Today Alonso and Vettel in GP2 cars would give the same show with a much smaller expenditure figure," he added.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100562

Your thoughts?
 
Has this been discussed yet?
The air for The Little Man is getting thinner. In the BayernLB lawsuit the ex-manager Gribkowski made a testimony, that he got 44mil US$ bribe. It is now said, that there is some wheeling and dealing behind the scenes, that when the judge gives his verdict, this verdict will automatically made unchallengeable, as both sides will immediately abdicate from appealing. Thus The Little Man would also immediately be prosecuted, on a German arrest warrant. This arrest warrant would then be changed to an European arrest warrant.
An European arrest warrant would mean, that he couldn´t leave Britain, and not travel to the races anymore. But even this "house arrest" could be shortlived, as British tax authorities already contacted the German court, asking for administrative assistance in prosecuting him for tax fraud.
All the while the F1 teams are mum about the topic, as the new concorde agreement is still not in place.
 
Can't say I'm against it. HRT or Marussia getting an old Mercedes or Force India would help a lot.
Never ever going to happen. None of the big teams would sell a year old car to a potential competitor.
All the engineering knowledge and IP would never be handed off after 1 year. All the teams carry over ideas and tech from previous years.
 
Never ever going to happen. None of the big teams would sell a year old car to a potential competitor.
All the engineering knowledge and IP would never be handed off after 1 year. All the teams carry over ideas and tech from previous years.

Really, so they can get engines, gearboxes etc, but not.. what, aerodynamics?
 
I'm not saying it was that exact situation. I'm saying the style is similar.

Maldonado started a pass, Hamilton ran him wide. Totally legal and within his right, but also not all that sporting and gets done way too much in F1.


While I agree Hamilton is pushing him wide, on the other hand the driver being pushed wide most of the times has to option to back off and get behind. If they keep holding the outside even when pushed out is because they know the run-off area is asphalt. If it was a gravel trap you wouldn't see these moves happening so often.
 
Yeah, the FIA got rid of it when Torro Rosso won Monza in '08.
True, the idea that a top team that has spent over over 100M developing a car package which is used up till November/Decemeber will then sell it for 10-20M for use in February the next year is ridiculous.

The only way customer cars could work is they were 2-3 year old designs for sale but then these would be useless due to changing regulations every year and probably no faster than what HRT & Marussia are doing now.
 
Formula One presenter Simon Lazenby has some explaining to do to his Sky Sports bosses for his alleged conduct on the easyJet flight back to London from the European Grand Prix in Valencia.

A BBC grand prix producer working on the Corporation’s rival coverage of the race posted a tweet claiming an un-named TV presenter had been a ‘loud drunk’ during the journey.

And other F1 personnel on board the budget airline flight last Sunday night identified Lazenby as the target of the attack, describing his behaviour as ‘obnoxious’.

The BBC’s Richard Carr had tweeted: ‘Tedious delayed easyJet flight. Enlivened by loud drunk TV presenter. Fortunately not a BBC TV presenter though. I give you two guesses.’

However, Sky sources insisted there had been no complaints from easyJet and the accident-prone Lazenby had been unfairly singled out for criticism when he was travelling with a group containing BBC personnel.

It is only a month since Lazenby was severely reprimanded by his Sky bosses for making a tasteless joke on air before the start of the Monaco Grand Prix about the car crash that killed Princess Grace nearly 30 years ago. Hapless Lazenby told viewers: ‘Some twisty and dangerous roads above us here in Monaco. Princess Grace knows all about them.’


Knob.

An all out shitstorm is brewing - no F1 on the BBC from 2013
 
Hopefully sky replace him. Not only does he seem like a complete knob, but he has no interest in Formula 1 & think that comes across when presenting the races.
 
Hopefully sky replace him. Not only does he seem like a complete knob, but he has no interest in Formula 1 & think that comes across when presenting the races.
He is a rugby guy isn't he? They should move to have Herbert or that eye candy one in the Sky Pad as host.
 
He is a rugby guy isn't he? They should move to have Herbert or that eye candy one in the Sky Pad as host.

I'm actually surprised that Georgie Thompson doesn't have a bigger role in the F1 coverage. She was the face of Sky Sports News, so I assumed when she moved from that to F1 she would be the main presenter. But instead she does some crappy F1 show & appears for about 5 minutes beside the sky pad for each race.


That would be even worse, sure she's nice eye candy, but to host the main program would be terrible.

Cant be any worse than lazenby
 
Just out of curiosity. Who do you consider talented drivers currently?

Perez is showing signs of being amazing given some more experience. Alonso is the best whole package on the grid. I'm a huge Vettel fan but don't see him as "talented" per se. He doesn't adapt as well to unfamiliar situations and isn't much of a seat of his pants driver as his teammate even but I prefer hard work and calculation to drivers that just seem to wing it and let their talent carry them. He executes a plan. Give him prep time and a decent package and he destroys everyone pretty consistently, but he's also usually the first driver to the track and the last to leave on practice and test days.

I admit Hamilton is my personal nemesis. His constant desire to try and match senna's legacy and history grates on my nerves even if I generally preferred someone like prost's style to senna. I really soured on him last year with his obvious floundering due to off track drama.

I'm a Lauda, Prost sorta guy rather than Hunt, Senna. I prefer the thinkers to the hot rods.
 
Watching Vettel this season is great. He is still very young and got plenty of time to learn and mature. I feel like the last season spoiled him a little bit, so I kinda hope that he won't be anywhere near this years WDC anymore. Not because I don't like him or want Alonso to win for Ferrari (teehee), but because I feel that his whiny responses will stop after a not so perfect year.
 
Watching Vettel this season is great. He is still very young and got plenty of time to learn and mature. I feel like the last season spoiled him a little bit, so I kinda hope that he won't be anywhere near this years WDC anymore. Not because I don't like him or want Alonso to win for Ferrari (teehee), but because I feel that his whiny responses will stop after a not so perfect year.
Lewis went through the same and has come out of that period a far more grounded and mature driver and the same can be said of Button and Fernando and many others. These periods of struggle are character building and wholly necessary in a racing drivers career. The Vettel of the future will go on to become a great.
 
I'm admittedly way too hard on Hamilton but other than prupose there's no one I can really hate. I like hamilton this year. Hell I like most of the drivers except prupose and cucumber. Massa makes me feel sad though :/

My hate for hamilton is really just in a sporting context because he embodies the super fast, seat of the pants, visceral driver that's also a bit of a playboy.
 
Lets hear about his antics

threesome sex sessions, shagging fame hungry whores in his ferrari, hard partying, splashing the cash etc, etc

ex-girlfriend Kimberley Keay
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is giving interviews to the tabloids detailing how he got her pregnant and kicked her out to fend for herself; Jenson himself is silent on this subject, but his father is quoted as saying Jenson is "Auditioning" for a new girlfriend, and is using among his pickup lines, "I'm going to Monaco to look at flats, want to come?"

total player. he also called off his wedding after the invitations had already gone out.
 
I don't think this has been mentioned yet.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/100738

McLaren bullish about pitstop performance after record Valencia stop

McLaren has no doubts it is on the right path with its pitstop performances in 2012, even though a problem in the Valencia pits overshadowed the team's delivery of the fastest Formula 1 pitstop in history earlier in the day.

After much focus on the team's performances in the pits this year, the McLaren pit crew completed a 2.6-second stop at Lewis Hamilton's first stop in Valencia to set a new benchmark in F1.

However, that achievement was followed shortly afterwards by Hamilton losing time at his second stop when the front jack failed after its release mechanism was triggered by the car hitting it.

Although that latter problem was a disappointment - and the team will implement equipment modifications for the next race at Silverstone - McLaren's sporting director Sam Michael says the timing data shows that the crew are doing a better job than the critics suggest.

"The guys are ignoring all the criticism, because they know they are good and we already had the fastest stationary time in Montreal before the Valencia performance," Michael told AUTOSPORT.

"The job they are doing at the moment is spot on, and I have felt it coming for the last two or three races. We've done a lot of work internally on the procedures and equipment, and we've been pushing them on a lot.

"And now we are in a world where we are dealing with milliseconds, rather than tenths. It is as competitive as the aero game now."

AUTOSPORT understands that the time to 'green' - the moment the driver is signalled to go - for Hamilton's first stop in Valencia was just 2.32s. This was 0.11s quicker that what is believed to have been the previous benchmark set by Mercedes in Korea last year for Michael Schumacher's first stop.

But despite the pit crew delivering the record time in Valencia, Michael says the target still remains being consistent – and ensuring that every stop is good.

"It has always been like that, but it just so happens that we have managed to get more pace than our original target," he said. "Our target is not to do a 2.3s stop before the driver reacts – it is to be sub three-second on average. If you look at the areas where we have had mistakes and issues in recent races, they are no longer because we are pushing to try and improve time."

McLaren will have to restructure its pit crew for the British Grand Prix after the right-hand rear gunner cut himself on a wing endplate during the Valencia stops. He will be replaced for the Silverstone weekend.

If an overhead camera exists for that stop I'd love to see a replay!
 
Touting their success by having that one very fast stop while dismissing the disaster that followed makes me think that they're missing the point. Gaining half a second in exchange for losing several seconds later is not a good trade. Given their track record this year it seems like they should be looking at consistency and then maybe speed, since a consistent 3 second stop is gonna average out better than a 2.6 second stop that has a significant chance of failure. I guess what I'm saying is we should count on many more failed stops.
 
I love Hamilton more than most people, but even I can't blame Maldonado for that collision.

Lewis had no hope of keeping that position and he should have given it up. He lost 12 points simply by being foolish.
 
I love Hamilton more than most people, but even I can't blame Maldonado for that collision.

Lewis had no hope of keeping that position and he should have given it up. He lost 12 points simply by being foolish.

moronado was off the track tho, lewis had every right to keep the racing line
 
Hamilton had every right to defend the way he did, Maldonado was going for a gap that wasn't there over a curb that rendered his car uncontrollable.

Hamilton on the other hand was taking unnecessary risks because he would get passed by Maldonado either way.

Maldonado was an agressive idiot, Hamilton wasn't thinking long term.
 
I love Hamilton more than most people, but even I can't blame Maldonado for that collision.

Lewis had no hope of keeping that position and he should have given it up. He lost 12 points simply by being foolish.

Not at all.

Maldonado is a tool who should have taken the escape route, he would have had 3rd place before the end of the race easily. Maldonado is the only person I actively dislike in F1, haven't liked him since before he entered the sport.
 
Hamilton had every right to defend the way he did, Maldonado was going for a gap that wasn't there over a curb that rendered his car uncontrollable.

Hamilton on the other hand was taking unnecessary risks because he would get passed by Maldonado either way.

Maldonado was an agressive idiot, Hamilton wasn't thinking long term.

This, Maldonado was being over agressive, the red mist having descended and all rationality went out the window. Lewis was guilty of not playing the long game. It matter damn all to Lewis that he wasn't in the wrong, that doesn't give him back the points he lost. If you was crashed into on the road in real life, it wouldn't matter that it was the other parties fault if you end up dead, being right won't bring you back. I was guilty of certainly disliking Hamilton a lot at the start, but I've changed my mind a lot. But I think what stops him from being truly great is his lack for thinking for want of a better word
 
Hamilton had every right to defend the way he did, Maldonado was going for a gap that wasn't there over a curb that rendered his car uncontrollable.

Hamilton on the other hand was taking unnecessary risks because he would get passed by Maldonado either way.

Maldonado was an agressive idiot, Hamilton wasn't thinking long term.

Stop bringing level-headed thinking to the discussion!
 
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