Wasn't a fan of Roberts, but I think his conscience may have gotten the better of him. Being solely responsible for kicking tons of kids (up to age 26 now) off of their parents insurance, allowing companies to deny coverage for per-existing conditions, and denying coverage to millions more was probably too much for him. Either way, I'm pleased and will now proceed to taste the bitter tears of the right.
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Supreme Court to rule on healthcare law today [Update: Upheld whole law]
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Souldriver
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Whole law upheld?
Good news I guess?
Good news I guess?
diffusionx
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bu bu bu but all these people have been saying that Roberts as a high minded legal genius just calling balls and strikes?
Now it turns out he actually is on a team and is expected to do that team's bidding? I am shocked!
Once people realize the program is better than the status quo, here's hoping we get some push on a public option/single payer system.
Robert Reich predicted this in an oped yesterday - Roberts cares more of the institution than scoring partisan victories, and the public's growing disillusionment with SCOTUS and how an overturn would be perceived likely tipped his hand somewhat on this case.
Essentially, this was a big fat, sloppy make up after Bush v. Gore and Citizens United.
Essentially, this was a big fat, sloppy make up after Bush v. Gore and Citizens United.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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More bad times for CNN. Who's running that company these days?
CrocMother
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Screenshots? all my friends are liberal or ignorant. I want to bathe in salty tears.
ElectricBlue187
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Whole law upheld?
Good news I guess?
Awesome news. I hope this is just the beginning for progressive health care reform.
Odd that they chose to limit that, considering congressional power in limiting funding for transportation.
The Librarian
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Don't spike the football.
Those damn activist judges.
If you are looking for bitter tears, use this: http://polurls.com/red/
Hahaha, priceless.
The Librarian
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You guys all hate CNN, but they just trolled the shit out of million of conservatives.
Win win for me lol.
Win win for me lol.
Whole law upheld?
Good news I guess?
Yeah, I work for a non-profit health insurance company and they seem to be all for it. In fact if it had been struck down it would have cost them more money to repeal what was already set in place.
teruterubozu
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except conservatives watch fox
My understanding is you are free to ignore any tax, but the IRS is free to use their hammer on you if you don't pay up
Patrick Klepek
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#therightsideofhistory
Lyle:
Justice Ginsburg makes clear that the vote is 5-4 on sustaining the mandate as a form of tax. Her opinion, for herself and Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan, joins the key section of Roberts opinion on that point. She would go further and uphold the mandate under the Commerce Clause, which Roberts wouldn't. Her opinion on Commerce does not control.
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Lyle:
Kennedy is reading from the dissent.
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Lyle:
Justice Ginsburg would uphold Medicaid just as Congress wrote it. That, too, is not controlling.
KENNEDY reading lol
Justice Ginsburg makes clear that the vote is 5-4 on sustaining the mandate as a form of tax. Her opinion, for herself and Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan, joins the key section of Roberts opinion on that point. She would go further and uphold the mandate under the Commerce Clause, which Roberts wouldn't. Her opinion on Commerce does not control.
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Lyle:
Kennedy is reading from the dissent.
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Lyle:
Justice Ginsburg would uphold Medicaid just as Congress wrote it. That, too, is not controlling.
KENNEDY reading lol
How something is marketed is irrelevant when it comes to legality/constitutionality.
It's not the first time congress/the executive branch has marketed something as different than what the court interpreted it as, nor will it be the last. Anyone with a brain could tell you the fee was a regulatory tax, regardless of how it was worded.
Just like Medicare is single payer/socialized coveraged. Single payer would be branded as medicare for all, not socialized medicine though, because socialism is a boogeyman that is the samea thing as communism, nazism, atheism, and evil in America. Same mindset exists for the word "tax."
People are idiots and our discourse is full of hacks spouting irrational, emotionally-driven bull, so you end up with people not knowing what they really want, and politicians need to use different words for the same concepts because people don't use their brains.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Good, it's not the bill I wanted, but it's a step in the right direction.
The closer we get to universal healthcare the better.
The USA has the worst healthcare system of any modern country, and it's an incredible black eye that as one of the wealthiest countries we fail so hard on that front.
The closer we get to universal healthcare the better.
The USA has the worst healthcare system of any modern country, and it's an incredible black eye that as one of the wealthiest countries we fail so hard on that front.
I really hate that term; it's so juvenile. Reminds me of Brangelina.
My father is so pissed :lol He says abortions will be paid by taxpayers now and is pissed as hell. Don't know if this is true but its still a gray area I guess. I am all in for Pro-Choice but paying for every single irresponsible woman is a bit hard to swallow. Still, very happy the law got upheld.
Mgoblue201
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I'm only somewhat surprised that Roberts voted in favor of the mandate by ultimately rejecting the Commerce Clause argument - essentially, making a more conservative case for the law. I'm more surprised that Kennedy didn't also rule in favor. When I heard Roberts, I thought that it was a 6-3 decision.
Hobbestetrician
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Can't believe some places still call it Obamacare but that's me being a fool and expecting the media to raise the discourse.
Rocket Punch
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OHHHH MAAAA GAWD!!!
Gratz USA. Welcome to 21st century.
Seriously, I'm happy for you. The alternative would have been devastating.
Gratz USA. Welcome to 21st century.
Seriously, I'm happy for you. The alternative would have been devastating.
no Joke, they are comparing him to Souter now
I still can't believe Roberts was the last vote.
The only thing that would have been more surprising is if Scalia voted in favor.
You should have seen Fox News. It was the Tom Benson/Jeremy Shockey gifs all over again.
The IRS can't really "come after you". The most they can do is contact you or withhold your tax returns.
If you are self-employed, you don't get tax returns.
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