Kanye West "My Music is Perfect" -- The Beethoven of this lifetime

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Nibel said:
You don't need to like Kanye - but to declare him to be talentless is just dumb. Say about his rap skills what you want, but at least as producer this guys rocks the goddamn world.

And btw: crazy Kanye = best Kanye
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Fuck yeah on all counts.
 
I wish this was an act of his to drum up some hype for his mediocre albums, but I think he actually believes the things he says about himself. This guy is fucking annoying.
 
IF his music was perfect it would transcend genre and find its way into the hearts of all music lovers. As its stands I know many people who can't stand his music . However if something like the beatles comes on everyone I know will listen and enjoy it.
 
Grinchy said:
mediocre albums
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I am glad that open-minded listeners of music have joined the discussion as well.
I'm as much, if not more, of an elitist asshole as the next guy, but if you can't appreciate the genius of a College Dropout or a MDTF then you should think long and hard about your taste in music.
 
mescalineeyes said:
I am glad that open-minded listeners of music have joined the discussion as well.
I'm as much, if not more, of an elitist asshole as the next guy, but if you can't appreciate the genius of a College Dropout or a MDTF then you should think long and hard about your taste in music.
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His albums are mediocre. Not bad, but not as great as the hype would lead people to believe. The reason he gets so much praise is because most of the competition in the genre is fucking terrible. A pile of shit with a bow tie placed on top of it sticks out amongst other piles of shit.
 
I don't disagree with him for the most part.

eastmen said:
IF his music was perfect it would transcend genre and find its way into the hearts of all music lovers.
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It DOES transcend genres. There isn't a discernible listener or true "music lover" who can put on many of his tracks and not be blown away. What happens is that many people allow their perception of him as a person which is frequently negative to affect their view of his music.
 
Grinchy said:
His albums are mediocre. Not bad, but not as great as the hype would lead people to believe. The reason he gets so much praise is because most of the competition in the genre is fucking terrible. A pile of shit with a bow tie placed on top of it sticks out amongst other piles of shit.
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I can't believe what I'm reading here
 
Grinchy said:
His albums are mediocre. Not bad, but not as great as the hype would lead people to believe. The reason he gets so much praise is because most of the competition in the genre is fucking terrible. A pile of shit with a bow tie placed on top of it sticks out amongst other piles of shit.
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So tell me, what hip-hop have you listened too.
 
Zekes! said:
Arrogant Ye is best Ye
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Indeed

eastmen said:
IF his music was perfect it would transcend genre and find its way into the hearts of all music lovers. As its stands I know many people who can't stand his music . However if something like the beatles comes on everyone I know will listen and enjoy it.
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If I put on something like the Beatles I get weird looks and get told to switch over to the next song, but when I play a Kanye West song they will sing along and enjoy it.

College Dropout=Late Registration>Graduation>My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy>808's & Heartbreak


Jason's Ultimatum said:
If Tupac were alive today, he'd straight up slap him.
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Yup! Right after prancing around and twirling in his pink tutu.

NGAMER9 said:
This thread is embarrassing for everyone involved. We have people repping Metallica and Tool as the end all be all for music, people calling Kanye a decent singer, those weird people that claim to listen to everything "except rap and pop" that treat those genres as lesser forms of music, etc.

The guy can produce, I'll give him that. I think he's far from the best rapper in the game, but he puts together some killer stuff. His ego is a part of the package, and it's a part of his music. Don't like it? There's plenty of other music out there. But his boasting is nothing new, and doesn't make him less of a producer in the grand scheme of things.
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He's a great producer but I think lately he's been kind of a shitty rapper.

He somehow has the worst verse on Mercy. And this is with Big Sean saying shit like "assquake, ass-state, ass-tray" ASS TRAY

2 Chainz IS the song though. Main even right there, best for last. I did enjoy MBDTF though, much moreso than Watch the Throne. It's a bit too self-indulgent which is a huge flaw for Kanye now i.e. overproducing All of the Lights, dumb Scarface beatswitch on Mercy, dumb beatswitch on New God Flow, that extra 4 minutes of audio diarrhea on Runaway etc.

but damn Dark Fantasy is a great opener.
 
Phat Michael said:
Hes a talentless, dolphin teethed buffoon who is laughed at by his fellow hiphop producers.

The only thing which makes him successful is the general bad taste of the music buying public.
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Do you really believe this? I mean if you don't like his stuff, okay, but calling him talentless?
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I liked Kanye when he was on his "I have shit to tell the world" flow. I think that is what made College Dropout so endearing. Now that he has boats and hoes though, I think hes running out of good stuff to talk about except for how much better he is then everyone else. Still have mad love for everything Yeezy does though, regardless
 
I dig some of his tunes, but he never really drops the narcissist thing. And goddamn is he a narcissist. Also his music is not "perfect" i don't see why people try to give these types of labels in the realm of art or something subjective. To me his music is good, to millions of people his music is great, amazing, orgasmic, whatever. Dude is successful and clearly has loads of talent. But calling his music perfect.... idk i just never felt like i wanted to be bros with kanye because of this jesus of music attitude
 
Dude is crazy and obnoxious. Produced some sick tunes back in the day though.

And the music is all that matters to me, so... He can say whatever he wants.
 
mescalineeyes said:
I am glad that open-minded listeners of music have joined the discussion as well.
I'm as much, if not more, of an elitist asshole as the next guy, but if you can't appreciate the genius of a College Dropout or a MDTF then you should think long and hard about your taste in music.
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This is a ridiculous concept.

There are some artists where their musical brilliance is prevalent and indicative through the complexity and intelligence of their work. We generally identify Bach as the master of counterpoint because his music is conducive to being analysed; the analyst can see, hear, and understand the thought that Bach put into composing his music. Artists that are worth being called "geniuses" on the merits of their work are rare and, by definition, appear in the areas of music that are subject to the most intense scrutiny and theorizing. It is no co-incidence that these "geniuses" (I wouldn't use this term because I believe that it's too vague) appear almost exclusively in western art music (as well as other ethnomusical canons from across the globe) and jazz.

Nothing about what Kanye West does speaks for itself. There is no underlying element here that any level of analysis will reveal. In fact, his music is very simple (not minimalist simple; just simple), so any "genius" you derive from his works is strictly perceptual. Any worthwhile quality that his music may hold to musicians remains intangible, if it even exists. I'm not saying that he's a bad artist -- I'm a huge fan of the Beatles, and I would argue that much of this argument is valid to them as well, although Kanye has a long way to go before he writes anything that looks as good on paper as the Beatles -- I'm saying that there is nothing particularly amazing about what he does. The success of Top 40 music comes down far more to marketing than it does to talent.

In sort, there is a huge leap between "I like it" and "you should like it".

Epcott said:
He makes good music, but he's no where near Beethoven. Almost all of his music involves samples... bits of other peoples work.
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I would argue that this is analogous to saying that Beethoven was not worthwhile because he played the piano, an instrument played by thousands of people before him. There is infinite creativity in the use of a sample, from its placement to its dynamic presentation, pitch, and purpose.
 
He makes good music, but he's no where near Beethoven. Almost all of his music involves samples... bits of other peoples work.
 
Fugu said:
Nothing about what Kanye West does speaks for itself. There is no underlying element here that any level of analysis will reveal. In fact, his music is very simple (not minimalist simple; just simple), so any "genius" you derive from his works is strictly perceptual. Any worthwhile quality that his music may hold to musicians remains intangible, if it even exists. I'm not saying that he's a bad artist -- I'm a huge fan of the Beatles, and I would argue that much of this argument is valid to them as well, although Kanye has a long way to go before he writes anything that looks as good on paper as the Beatles -- I'm saying that there is nothing particularly amazing about what he does. The success of Top 40 music comes down far more to marketing than it does to talent.
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His production going back to College Dropout is often pretty ornate and interesting, to musicians. He also collaborates with some of the most talented producers out there, including those that generally work outside of hip-hop, like Jon Brion, who happens to be one of the best arrangers working today.
 
Meier said:
I don't disagree with him for the most part.



It DOES transcend genres. There isn't a discernible listener or true "music lover" who can put on many of his tracks and not be blown away. What happens is that many people allow their perception of him as a person which is frequently negative to affect their view of his music.
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Ooooooorrrrr,

His music starts and I get my toes tappin, but then he comes in with his poor lyrics/vocals and I have to turn it off.

Take the man's microphone away and he'd be great.
 
Fugu said:
This is a ridiculous concept.

There are some artists where their musical brilliance is prevalent and indicative through the complexity and intelligence of their work. We generally identify Bach as the master of counterpoint because his music is conducive to being analysed; the analyst can see, hear, and understand the thought that Bach put into composing his music. Artists that are worth being called "geniuses" on the merits of their work are rare and, by definition, appear in the areas of music that are subject to the most intense scrutiny and theorizing. It is no co-incidence that these "geniuses" (I wouldn't use this term because I believe that it's too vague) appear almost exclusively in western art music (as well as other ethnomusical canons from across the globe) and jazz.

Nothing about what Kanye West does speaks for itself. There is no underlying element here that any level of analysis will reveal. In fact, his music is very simple (not minimalist simple; just simple), so any "genius" you derive from his works is strictly perceptual. Any worthwhile quality that his music may hold to musicians remains intangible, if it even exists. I'm not saying that he's a bad artist -- I'm a huge fan of the Beatles, and I would argue that much of this argument is valid to them as well, although Kanye has a long way to go before he writes anything that looks as good on paper as the Beatles -- I'm saying that there is nothing particularly amazing about what he does. The success of Top 40 music comes down far more to marketing than it does to talent.
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Hahahahaha.

You managed to respond to a ridiculous concept with an even more ridiculously absurd concept.
 
ShineALight said:
His production going back to College Dropout is often pretty ornate and interesting, to musicians. He also collaborates with some of the most talented producers out there, including those that generally work outside of hip-hop, like Jon Brion, who happens to be one of the best arrangers working today.
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What about his production makes it anything special outside of the fact that it's in demand? Production, in particular, is so subjective; people can barely agree on what is good (see lo-fi and the last ten years of R&B), let alone who is good. I would use the word "ornate" as a pejorative when describing a producer, for example.
 
mescalineeyes said:
I am glad that open-minded listeners of music have joined the discussion as well.
I'm as much, if not more, of an elitist asshole as the next guy, but if you can't appreciate the genius of a College Dropout or a MDTF then you should think long and hard about your taste in music.
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I've listened to MDTF dozens of times and while I really enjoy some of the tracks, it's still a mediocre album with average lyrics and awful verses from most of the guest rappers on the album, including Jay. The one poster who mentioned sound quality is right; the album is poorly mastered and an "ear sore" for anyone with decent audio equipment. I don't need to think long and hard about my tastes, seeing as I recognize truly superior rappers when I hear them.

Kanye is average, folks. He will never be one of the true greats simply because he's missing the extremely important element of being able to rap well. Exceptions and excuses can't be made just because he's a good producer with catchy tunes, nor because the majority of today's rappers are equally dull. College Dropout is nice, but that's because of the messages in his songs then compared to his current-day usual. His overall flow and lyricism was the same back then as it is now.
 
IceCold said:
Comparing a guy like Kanye to Beethoven is ridiculous and borderline insulting. Not even deafness could stop Beethoven.
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Yo G, not even a wire through his jaw could stop Ye from rapping, now could it?


Jado said:
The one poster who mentioned sound quality is right; the album is poorly mastered and an "ear sore" for anyone with decent audio equipment.
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everything what you said was total bs, except for this. So sad, too.
 
So I was listening to Runaway the other day, and it got me thinking about the man who actually wrote it. It's a really sad, introspective song on an album of absolute hedonism, but still comes across in the same spirit. It's written as if it's glorifying horrible behavior, but it's about his own character flaws and his inability for have normal romantic relationships. It's that kind of reflection that most other rappers and probably other musicians nowadays aren't really capable of imo
 
His next album is going to be a 'crown of sonnets' level ode to Kim Kardashian. It's gonna be big booty blasting beats and a lot of ass n titties metaphors. He's gonna be rhyming about how soft it is, how nice it smells, how we all hating and full of jealousy.

It will actually be pretty great.
 
mescalineeyes said:
Yo G, not even a wire through his jaw could stop Ye from rapping, now could it?

everything what you said was total bs, except for this. So sad, too.
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What was BS? I actually listen to his music and enjoy it, and don't say any of this stuff out of some irrational hate like others have for him. If you find it hard to believe he's not a very good rapper, then expand your horizons. Listen to the astounding night-and-day difference between Kanye's "Diamonds from Sierra Leone" and Lupe's "Conflict Diamonds." No comparison over who killed the track and who merely put out average/decent work.
 
mescalineeyes said:
I am glad that open-minded listeners of music have joined the discussion as well.
I'm as much, if not more, of an elitist asshole as the next guy, but if you can't appreciate the genius of a College Dropout or a MDTF then you should think long and hard about your taste in music.
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Tell that to blackace!
 
After reading about him admitting that he takes open drum sounds from other producers like Pete Rock and sending other people to go dig records for him I just can't respect him as a producer as much as I used to anymore.
BTW MBDTF is good, but terribly overrated. There's better Hip-Hop production out there and all the rappers on the album except Jay-Z were either awful or depressingly average.

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Now that his ego has peaked and everyone tells him how awesome he is it won't take long for him to fall off.
 
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