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[Korey]

Let's be real and get down to the bottom of this:

The "I'm still going to eat there anyways" people are implicitly stating that they do not care that much about gay people or their struggle.

If you replaced "gay" with "black", and Chick-Fil-A openly donated millions of dollars to prevent black people from voting, aiding in the mass disenfranchisement of black people across the country, there would be no hemming and hawing about "but their chicken is soooo good", or "...but, but, they donated to my local boy scouts troop!", or the completely flawed arguments in this thread about "if you boycott x, then you'd also have to simultaneously boycott a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, y, and z".

No, in that situation you'd easily be like "fuck Chick-Fil-A, I'm never eating there again" without a second thought, moment of hesitation, or GAF post stating how truly conflicted you are but that you just can't help it. Instead, we have a lot of passive aggressive, "I kind of care, but secretly, not as much as I think I do" posters.

Chick-Fil-A has basically stated "Hey. Guys. We don't care for gays. In fact, in a single year we donated $2 million to prevent them from being treated as equal human beings. We literally take your money at the register, and personally hand it over to active anti-gay groups."

At this point, it's on you. If you continue to give them your money, you care more about chicken than the oppression of a minority class of Americans. The rights of your coworkers, your future child, your cousin, your classmates. To you, the fact that gay people can't marry seems more like an inconvenience for them than a truly atrocious social injustice that's happening right in your backyard.

And hey, maybe you're ok with that, but at least now you're being honest with yourself.

Please let me know if you think I'm being unfair here and why.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Provocative!

*popcorn.jpg*

 

[SerArthurDayne]

I'm probably a terrible person for having eaten here in the past:
http://www.mauricesbbq.com/

http://cornellsun.com/node/837

http://www.scpronet.com/point/0010/lips.html

Spoiler

I don't eat there anymore. White supremacists don't make good BBQ.
I did feel pretty guilty after ordering too.

Like every Con Law Professor in the country has eaten there at some point. Like a right of passage.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

Never thought I'd agree with someone who hated Seinfeld so much.

 

[Vermillion]

I feel like it's pointless. Gay rights are winning. Chic-fil-A's management can't and won't stop it. Period.

 

[smr00]

Was enjoying this thread till Manos got the axe

Haven't been following the thread much because this shit gets out of hand, especially from certain users i won't name but that sucks he got banned.

As someone who is gay i eat at chik-fil-a and will continue to eat there because i love the food. People can sit on their high horses behind the internet and criticize all they want because at the end of the day i don't really care what people think me, my personal choices or my lifestyle.

We live in a shitty world and there are far worse companies out there. Racism and ignorance will always exist and i choose to live my life the way i want to. I am 28 and with the problems i have going on health wise i probably won't live past 40 so i will eat my chicken nuggets and waffle fries and live my short time on earth the way i want.

THAT being said if people want to boycott it that is their life and that's awesome for them but i am just over all the sanctimonious bullshit that goes on in threads like this.

 

[Devolution]

Haven't been following the thread much because this shit gets out of hand, especially from certain users i won't name but that sucks he got banned.

As someone who is gay i eat at chik-fil-a and will continue to eat there because i love the food. People can sit on their high horses behind the internet and criticize all they want because at the end of the day i don't really care what people think me, my personal choices or my lifestyle.

We live in a shitty world and there are far worse companies out there. Racism and ignorance will always exist and i choose to live my life the way i want to. I am 28 and with the problems i have going on health wise i probably won't live past 40 so i will eat my chicken nuggets and waffle fries and live my short time on earth the way i want.

THAT being said if people want to boycott it that is their life and that's awesome for them but i am just over all the sanctimonious bullshit that goes on in threads like this.

Keep seeing this and yet it doesn't really work here.

 

[Smellycat]

Let's be real and get down to the bottom of this:

The "I'm still going to eat there anyways" people are explicitly stating that they do not care that much about gay people or their struggle.

If you replaced "gay" with "black", and Chick-Fil-A openly donated millions of dollars to prevent black people from voting, aiding in the mass disenfranchisement of black people across the country, there would be no hemming and hawing about "but their chicken is soooo good", or "...but, but, they donated to my local boy scouts troop!", or the completely flawed arguments in this thread about "if you boycott x, then you'd also have to simultaneously boycott a, b, c, y, and z".

No, in that situation you'd easily be like "fuck Chick-Fil-A, I'm never eating there again" without a second thought, moment of hesitation, or GAF post stating how truly conflicted you are but that you just can't help it. Instead, we have a lot of passive aggressive, "I kind of care, but secretly, not as much as I think I do" posters.

Chick-Fil-A has basically stated "Hey. Guys. We don't care for gays. In fact, in a single year we donated $2 million to prevent them from being treated as equal human beings. We literally take your money at the register, and personally hand it over to active anti-gay groups."

At this point, it's on you. If you continue to give them your money, you care more about chicken than the oppression of a minority class of Americans. The rights of your coworkers, your future child, your cousin, your classmates.

And hey, maybe you're ok with that, but at least now you're being honest with yourself.

Please let me know if you think I'm being unfair here and why.

How can you resist this delicious scrumptious sandwich???

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

It works here, but that statement doesn't work. What other company openly and publicly supports the hatred of a section of humanity? I suppose investment firms and the poor, but those guys are a bit smarter than that.

This shit is fucked, no matter how people try to spin this. It's public hate, pure and simple.

 

[Devolution]

It works here, but that statement doesn't work. What other company openly and publicly supports the hatred of a section of humanity? I suppose investment firms and the poor, but those guys are a bit smarter than that.

This shit is fucked, no matter how people try to spin this. It's public hate, pure and simple.

Well that's what I meant, what companies specifically flaunt that they're pissing on other people?

 

[smr00]

Keep seeing this and yet it doesn't really work here.

How so? You think Chik-Fil-A is the only company in the world that is like this?

I don't even know why i posted because i could really give 2 shits of a rats ass about what Chik-Fil-A thinks, i enjoy the food and you can say i don't support "my" people or respect myself or others or whatever sanctimonious bullshit some other person will come along spouting because at the end of the day i am just too damn tired for this shit.

I just want to eat my chicken and spend what limited time i have on this earth with my boyfriend and enjoy life not get caught up in bullshit like this.

 

[Gotchaye]

And hey, maybe you're ok with that, but at least now you're being honest with yourself.

Please let me know if you think I'm being unfair here and why.

Given what side I've been on here, perhaps this is weird, but I do think you're being unfair. In "do not care that much about gay people or their struggle", "that much" is doing a lot of work. Preferring a good chicken sandwich to legal gay marriage is deeply immoral. But preferring a good chicken sandwich to not having (making up a number) 40 cents go to help campaign against legal gay marriage is not nearly as bad.

Yeah, probably if it were black people being harmed here a lot more people would be on board with a boycott. But at least some of that would be because of a general attitude that obvious racism is simply inexcusable, whereas anti-gay bigotry, while wrong, is a lot more understandable given the culture. Also, you set up disenfranchisement against denying marriage rights, and I think it's pretty clear that one is worse than the other.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

How so? You think Chik-Fil-A is the only company in the world that is like this?

I don't even know why i posted because i could really give 2 shits of a rats ass about what Chik-Fil-A thinks, i enjoy the food and you can say i don't support "my" people or respect myself or others or whatever sanctimonious bullshit some other person will come along spouting because at the end of the day i am just too damn tired for this shit.

I just want to eat my chicken and spend what limited time i have on this earth with my boyfriend and enjoy life not get caught up in bullshit like this.

Good on you. Just know you could probably eat a chicken sammich that's even better because your boyfriend made it wif luv :3

 

[Mumei]

I just want to eat my chicken and spend what limited time i have on this earth with my boyfriend and enjoy life not get caught up in bullshit like this.

This would be a more compelling argument if Chick-Fil-A were the only place to get chicken.

 

[Cyan]

Let's be real and get down to the bottom of this:

The "I'm still going to eat there anyways" people are explicitly stating that they do not care that much about gay people or their struggle.

Implicitly. [/pedantry]

But seriously, it doesn't have to be about that. I mentioned earlier that I think part of it is just people who love CFA and feel attacked, and part of it is rebellion against being told what's the morally right thing to do.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Let's be real and get down to the bottom of this:

The "I'm still going to eat there anyways" people are explicitly stating that they do not care that much about gay people or their struggle.

If you replaced "gay" with "black", and Chick-Fil-A openly donated millions of dollars to prevent black people from voting, aiding in the mass disenfranchisement of black people across the country, there would be no hemming and hawing about "but their chicken is soooo good", or "...but, but, they donated to my local boy scouts troop!", or the completely flawed arguments in this thread about "if you boycott x, then you'd also have to simultaneously boycott a, b, c, y, and z".

No, in that situation you'd easily be like "fuck Chick-Fil-A, I'm never eating there again" without a second thought, moment of hesitation, or GAF post stating how truly conflicted you are but that you just can't help it. Instead, we have a lot of passive aggressive, "I kind of care, but secretly, not as much as I think I do" posters.

Chick-Fil-A has basically stated "Hey. Guys. We don't care for gays. In fact, in a single year we donated $2 million to prevent them from being treated as equal human beings. We literally take your money at the register, and personally hand it over to active anti-gay groups."

At this point, it's on you. If you continue to give them your money, you care more about chicken than the oppression of a minority class of Americans. The rights of your coworkers, your future child, your cousin, your classmates.

And hey, maybe you're ok with that, but at least now you're being honest with yourself.

Please let me know if you think I'm being unfair here and why.

Eh, I really don't see it that way.

I eat there maybe 5 times a year... I really don't feel like I am damaging the gay rights movement tremendously by doing so. I think gay people should be able to get married. Put it on the ballot, I will vote in favor (although I don't even think it should be up for popular vote). I will vote for politicians who share my views.

But I am not going to boycott a fast food place. It just seems silly to me. Maybe I dont care about gay rights as much as I should, but I don't really see them as actively oppressing gays in such a way that would warrant a boycott or picketing/protest.

I would prefer the issue to be settled properly, in the supreme court like it should be. Not the mall food court.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

you gotta be a real asshole to keep eating at this place

While the fact that Chic Fil A is anti-gay is pretty well known on the internet, you'd be AMAZED at how many people were ignorant of that fact. There's noone bringing media attention to it, and definitely not enough to overshadow their own advertisement. Noones running a campaign against them.

and as long as noone is, and my own boycott (and the boycott of the sprinkle of attentive people on every couple of small forums) won't make any difference, I'll continue to eat there, gay or not.

 

[Derrick01]

you gotta be a real asshole to keep eating at this place

Guilty as charged I guess. It's not that I'm doing it for kicks or to taunt anyone, I just really like their chicken.

If it helps at all I vote in favor of pro gay marriage laws when they come up even though I know they're doomed in my area, which is like 80% republican. I know that doesn't erase me giving them money but I'm not giving up delicious chicken for something that doesn't affect me personally. I'll do some things for other people but not that.

 

[smr00]

Well that's what I meant, what companies specifically flaunt that they're pissing on other people?

http://news.change.org/stories/gold...p-fees-and-gives-them-to-anti-gay-politicians
http://guydads.blogspot.com/2008/11/boycott-golfland-entertainment-centers.html
http://www.americablog.com/2004/11/details-of-salvation-armys-rabidly.html
http://knowthyneighbor.blogs.com/home/2009/04/ceo-of-walmart-found-on-arkansas-antigay-petition.html

From literally a 30 second google search, tons of articles on companies who are against gay rights or other things of that nature. Don't act like Chik-Fil-A is the ONLY company who has ever been caught with their pants down being anti-gay.

Do your own real research if you want because this thread bums me out more then the actual chick-fil-a incident that happened. I am going to bed because i don't want to argue, i like everyone here regardless if they don't like me, like that im gay or my lifestyle because i have no room for hate in my heart.

If you don't like what i do then awesome, it's your choice and everyone else s choice in this thread but just remember that big SMR love you all and if me eating chick-fil-a offends you then the only thing i can do is say deal with it while making a heart symbol with my hands mind hugging you.

This would be a more compelling argument if Chick-Fil-A were the only place to get chicken.

Seeing as it's chick-fil-a, mcdonalds, wendys or a drove of other shitty fast food places i would say it's pretty damn compelling.

It offers the BEST fast food chicken in my area and even if it didn't i love the food there so it really doesn't matter what you think is or isn't compelling because there is no argument, you can't argue what i like and don't like or if i should or shouldn't eat it because it's MY life.

 

[Cyan]

and as long as noone is, and my own boycott (and the boycott of the sprinkle of attentive people on every couple of small forums) won't make any difference, I'll continue to eat there, gay or not.

Nooooooo you're defecting on a prisoner's dilemma!

 

[Valnen]

This would be a more compelling argument if Chick-Fil-A were the only place to get chicken.

You say that like all chicken is the same. Chicken tastes different depending on where you get it. If someone prefers the taste of Chick-Fil-A of course they're going to keep eating there.

 

[SerArthurDayne]

http://news.change.org/stories/gold...p-fees-and-gives-them-to-anti-gay-politicians
http://guydads.blogspot.com/2008/11/boycott-golfland-entertainment-centers.html
http://www.americablog.com/2004/11/details-of-salvation-armys-rabidly.html
http://knowthyneighbor.blogs.com/home/2009/04/ceo-of-walmart-found-on-arkansas-antigay-petition.html

From literally a 30 second google search, tons of articles on companies who are against gay rights or other things of that nature. Don't act like Chik-Fil-A is the ONLY company who has ever been caught with their pants down being anti-gay.

I'm not engaging in a debate of the point, but Chik-Fil-A wasn't caught with their pants down. The climbed on top of a box in a public square, whipped their pants off, threw them into the crowd, and then did a little dance.

 

[smr00]

I'm not engaging in a debate of the point, but Chik-Fil-A wasn't caught with their pants down. The climbed on top of a box in a public square, whipped their pants off, threw them into the crowd, and then did a little dance.

Yeah they did but it's the not only company and i don't know how many times i can express this.

You all want to act like Chick-Fil-A is the fucking hitler of all companies and we all know they aren't, they are shitty in what they believe it and you know what? i still forgive them because i was raised this way and it's just the person i am.. naive, stupid or whatever you want to think i am that's awesome because at the end of the day i forgive everyone.

So as i log off to goto bed just remember that i am a big dumby mc dumberson who is naive and love everyone regardless of their faults, beliefs or whatever it may be because i just don't have the time, energy or place in my heart for hatred or despite. You can call me a hippy for being so lovey if you want.

So g'night and i hope you all sleep wonderfully tonight and people stop arguing in this thread that should be closed, locked and set on fire because it's bringing the worst out of a lot of people and almost brought the worst out of me but i refuse to let that happen.

 

[Tess3ract]

Europeans have it all wrong. They shouldn't be burning churches, they should be burning Chick-Fil-As!

 

[Air]

Implicitly. [/pedantry]

But seriously, it doesn't have to be about that. I mentioned earlier that I think part of it is just people who love CFA and feel attacked, and part of it is rebellion against being told what's the morally right thing to do.

I think the bold is pretty spot on. No body really likes being told what to do regardless if it's morally right or wrong.

 

[Mumei]

You say that like all chicken is the same. Chicken tastes different depending on where you get it. If someone prefers the taste of Chick-Fil-A of course they're going to keep eating there.

I admit, I am not a chicken connoisseur.

 

[Valnen]

I admit, I am not a chicken connoisseur.

Well the same is true with pretty much any other food too.

 

[Forever]

I admit, I am not a chicken connoisseur.

Their chicken is pretty bomb, it's uniquely fried in peanut oil. But boycotting is an easy choice for me anyway.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

I feel like it's pointless. Gay rights are winning. Chic-fil-A's management can't and won't stop it. Period.

Big donors against prop 8. So yeah, their money does hinder progress.

 

[Vermillion]

Big donors against prop 8. So yeah, their money does hinder progress.

They can't and won't stop it, though. Hell, I imagine they'll fall in soon enough themselves.

 

[mavs]

As long as they are not turning away homosexual people from the counter, I don't care.

Wait, how would that be worse than what they are doing? Or did you mean as long as you are allowed to eat there at all?

 

[EatinOlives]

They can't and won't stop it, though. Hell, I imagine they'll fall in soon enough themselves.

Just because they're not stopping it completely doesn't meant they're not harming it.

 

[Vermillion]

Just because they're not stopping it completely doesn't meant they're not harming it.

True. But with each day, there's someone new supporting gay rights. Whether it's a celebrity, or a corporation like Google. Their ability to hinder gay rights weakens as it follows. Chic-fil-a is a non-factor (or will be soon enough).

 

[Laughing Banana]

I'm not engaging in a debate of the point, but Chik-Fil-A wasn't caught with their pants down. The climbed on top of a box in a public square, whipped their pants off, threw them into the crowd, and then did a little dance.

So long as the information is actually out in the open for everyone to find out and/or publicly well-known, this bears little relevance.

 

[Acerac]

True. But with each day, there's someone new supporting gay rights. Whether it's a celebrity, or a corporation like Google. Their ability to hinder gay rights weakens as it follows. Chic-fil-a is a non-factor (or will be soon enough).

So your viewpoint is that eventually stuff will work itself out, no need to worry about it happening sooner than later.

 

[Tess3ract]

So your viewpoint is that eventually stuff will work itself out, no need to worry about it happening sooner than later.

When corporations are involved, there's not much one person can do. It'll work itself out.

 

[painey]

I like to open up the sandwich, eat the pickles first and then rip the bun up. After I'm done with the bun, I tear the chicken into pieces and eat it. Normally dipping it in sauce. Yum.

 

[Cyan]

So long as the information is actually out in the open for everyone to find out and/or publicly well-known, this bears little relevance.

Sure it does. It makes it a clear Schelling point, which makes this:

When corporations are involved, there's not much one person can do.

much less of a problem.

 

[LaserBuddha]

Chick-fil-A reported sales of $3,582,473,798 in 2010, and donated $2,000,000 to anti-gay organizations in the same year.

That means that for every, say, $7 combo you bought, you were contributing approximately $0.004 toward these donations. Eat there 250 times and you've contributed almost a dollar.

 

[Emerson]

I think this is all pretty overblown. The company is obviously run by a bunch of assholes and I don't really eat there very often, but this news isn't going to change anything. If they came out saying they're donating all their profits to gay rights movements I wouldn't suddenly start eating there more either. I eat fast food when the urge strikes me, I don't do research on the personal morals of each company's executives before I make that impulse buy.

People certainly have every right to boycott if they want to, but as always a bunch of people take it three steps too far in saying that people who don't boycott are anti-gay or some bullshit like that. It's really a ridiculously self-righteous attitude to take.

By my calculations Chik Fil A donates 0.000487804878% of their yearly revenue to anti-gay movements. Which comes out to less than one cent I've contributed to those movements in the last year. Sorry, gay community. I'm clearly the real problem.

 

[EYEL1NER]

I like to open up the sandwich, eat the pickles first and then rip the bun up. After I'm done with the bun, I tear the chicken into pieces and eat it. Normally dipping it in sauce. Yum.

Now you are making me want some.
I only eat there on Military Appreciation Tuesdays though for the 20% off. I am no longer eligible for the discount (and wouldn't dream of stealing anyone's valor), but a buddy usually orders, flashes his ID, and says 'Pay me back later.'
Anyways, I won't be able to eat there until Tuesday at the soonest.

 

[Acerac]

When corporations are involved, there's not much one person can do. It'll work itself out.

There are quite a few examples of people having that opinion in this thread. In fact, I'd say it's one of the most frequently cited reason why going there makes sense if you support gay rights (other than the chicken/milkshakes being TOO DELICIOUS). If only everyone who had this opinion would bother to not eat at one establishment maybe it'd not be so hopeless after all.

It'd probably easier just to not bother though. I have heard that their milkshakes are pretty amazing.

 

[JGS]

Let's be real and get down to the bottom of this:

The "I'm still going to eat there anyways" people are implicitly stating that they do not care that much about gay people or their struggle.

Horrible post. Not true. Heck i might as well stop being for gay marriage if I'm doomed to not care about where I eat lunch. Sure will make work conversation easier.

If you replaced "gay" with "black", and Chick-Fil-A openly donated millions of dollars to prevent black people from voting, aiding in the mass disenfranchisement of black people across the country, there would be no hemming and hawing about "but their chicken is soooo good", or "...but, but, they donated to my local boy scouts troop!", or the completely flawed arguments in this thread about "if you boycott x, then you'd also have to simultaneously boycott a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, y, and z".

This is something I brought last time this was an issue. Who is reporting the donation? I no longer doubt they are, but what is this openly acknowledged business?

Here's what they openly acknowledged over the past few days: http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=38271

The company invests in Christian growth and ministry through its WinShape Foundation (WinShape.com). The name comes from the idea of shaping people to be winners.

It began as a college scholarship and expanded to a foster care program, an international ministry, and a conference and retreat center modeled after the Billy Graham Training Center at the Cove.

"That morphed into a marriage program in conjunction with national marriage ministries," Cathy added.

Some have opposed the company's support of the traditional family. "Well, guilty as charged," said Cathy when asked about the company's position.

"We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that.

"We operate as a family business ... our restaurants are typically led by families; some are single. We want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families. We are very much committed to that," Cathy emphasized.

"We intend to stay the course," he said. "We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles."

Or This: http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=38301

The company issued a statement Thursday (July 19) telling its customers that "going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena" and that its tradition is "to treat every person with honor, dignity and respect -- regardless of their belief, race, creed, sexual orientation or gender." It also noted that it has applied "biblically-based principles" to business management and will continue to do so. There are more than 1,600 Chick-fil-A restaurants.

Cathy's comments were tame from a biblical perspective and would have gone unnoticed had they been made by the pastor at his home congregation, New Hope Baptist Church in Fayetteville, Ga. Yet in the current environment in which celebrities and companies on a weekly basis make statements affirming gay marriage, Cathy's statements stood out.

So maybe the battle was already won as of yesterday anyway. So why can't I eat their chicken?
Anyway, the use of race is a false equivalency/strawman/goofy argument because Chick Fil A is in no way directly influencing agenda against gay people. They don't marry any people, they don't kick gay people out of the stores, they don't refrain from hiring them. They are not spearheading the charge against it and they are unlikely to be the largest contributor to an organization that is against it.

They have every right to believe that homosexuality is a sin unless YOU are a bigot that has the nerve to say they can't- much less the notion that gays shouldn't be married based on a religious belief. if you don't like it, find a non-religious chicken shack and eat heartily. It's obvious to anyone but stupid people that the gay marriage debate has been raging for years with or without the sayings of CFA, and even after it's legal, it's not going to change the religious view so get over it.

This ridiculous hyperbolic rhetoric is overkill. Gee willickers, it's as if people want others to not be for gay marriage over a stinking combo meal. Talk about shallow.

 

[Keru_Shiri]

I was out for a few hours, but did this thread result in some gray names, or was that just a coincidence?

 

[Air]

Cathy?

 

[Trey]

Saying that you "support the traditional family" in an interview with a Baptist website is flaunting an anti gay agenda?

It's certainly anti gay inasmuch as marriage is concerned, but I wouldn't call it flaunting.

 

[Acerac]

I was out for a few hours, but did this thread result in some gray names, or was that just a coincidence?

Pretty sure this thread was the cause.

Though Manos never did make many posts that weren't plantantly trolling, so that may just be an assumption.

 

[blame space]

Saying that you "support the traditional family" in an interview with a Baptist website is flaunting an anti gay agenda?

It's certainly anti gay inasmuch as marriage is concerned, but I wouldn't call it flaunting.

. .

 

[LaserBuddha]

Saying that you "support the traditional family" in an interview with a Baptist website is flaunting an anti gay agenda?

It's certainly anti gay inasmuch as marriage is concerned, but I wouldn't call it flaunting.

 

[LyleLanley]

Saying that you "support the traditional family" in an interview with a Baptist website is flaunting an anti gay agenda?

It's certainly anti gay inasmuch as marriage is concerned, but I wouldn't call it flaunting.

Well then...