The Dark Knight Rises |OT| The Legend Ends (Warning: Unmarked Spoilers Within)

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richiek said:
So I'm guessing this is the Return of the Jedi of the Batman trilogy, satisfying conclusion, but the weakest film.
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That's the closest analogy I think we have.

It's uneven like ROTJ. It has some great parts and some incredibly stupid parts.

But it also ends things at least on a satisfactory note.
 
My expectations are rock bottom for this movie thanks to this thread. I'm expecting a long bloated movie that doesn't come close to TDK. That should mean I'll enjoy it.
 
evilromero said:
My expectations are rock bottom for this movie thanks to this thread. I'm expecting a long bloated movie that doesn't come close to TDK. That should mean I'll enjoy it.
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Seriously. I feel like half of us have watched one movie and the other half have seen another one altogether. I was just like you going into it. To me it delivered completely.
 
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People who think it's the worst of all 3 really need to watch the first movie again. The climax is Batman trying to stop a train from delivering some device that vaporizes toxic water

I think TDK being so great makes people forget that the first movie wasn't that special
 
KingKong said:
People who think it's the worst of all 3 really need to watch the first movie again. The climax is Batman trying to stop a train from delivering some device that vaporizes toxic water

I think TDK being so great makes people forget that the first movie wasn't that special
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It's ridiculous, but works in context of the movie, because it's earned its goodwill by that point so that a lot of people can go with it.
 
Superimposer said:
OK here goes.

I think the way people have decided this movie needs to be better than TDK for it not to be a disappointment shouldn't be the way to go about it. Well I don't know if anyone else was doing that, but I know I was... then I saw this. I was worried because of all the criticism from people who saw it early on here about undeveloped character this and leaps of logic that. But if I hadn't read all of that, I wouldn't have noticed any of it in the movie (as just an average filmgoer).

First of all, people say they're disappointed that Bane is not as good as the Joker, but I don't even care. That was another part that does not need to be repeated, one piece of the bigger story. And Bane is plenty sinister and menacing by himself to serve as a good villain in my opinion. And again, he's just one character that helps tell the story of Gotham in these three movies.

Secondly, people complain about the action. I thought it was actually excellent but hey I'm no action/directing aficionado, I just know I enjoyed the hell out of watching it. I enjoyed all the action in the other two movies too, though I think the best action scene is probably in this one.

What's most important is that the film rounds off the story in a meaningful way, and fuck yes does it do that. I don't even know how I rank it compared to the other two. I just know that it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb in quality compared to the other two, and there will be valid reasons for people to call any of them their favourite down the line. Everyone will have a slightly different opinion, but I just think this is another worthy addition to the series and that's the crucial part.

As I sit here and type this now, I think it might be my favourite of the whole trilogy. It might also be my least favourite. But the point is the trilogy ended brilliantly and exactly as it should, with a hell of a lot of surprises along the way. If it is your least favourite, it won't matter too much. I think this needs to be viewed as part of (in my opinion) the best trilogy of my admittedly not very long lifetime, and much like Star Wars, it shouldn't bloody matter which one is the best, they're all crucial parts of the big puzzle.

Basically, if GAF has you worried and you're just an average Nolan Batman fan, then don't worry anymore.
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Well written. Well said. I think in all honesty you summed up all my feelings. Good job, and thank you.
 
Superimposer said:
OK here goes.

I think the way people have decided this movie needs to be better than TDK for it not to be a disappointment shouldn't be the way to go about it. Well I don't know if anyone else was doing that, but I know I was... then I saw this. I was worried because of all the criticism from people who saw it early on here about undeveloped character this and leaps of logic that. But if I hadn't read all of that, I wouldn't have noticed any of it in the movie (as just an average filmgoer).

First of all, people say they're disappointed that Bane is not as good as the Joker, but I don't even care. That was another part that does not need to be repeated, one piece of the bigger story. And Bane is plenty sinister and menacing by himself to serve as a good villain in my opinion. And again, he's just one character that helps tell the story of Gotham in these three movies.

Secondly, people complain about the action. I thought it was actually excellent but hey I'm no action/directing aficionado, I just know I enjoyed the hell out of watching it. I enjoyed all the action in the other two movies too, though I think the best action scene is probably in this one.

What's most important is that the film rounds off the story in a meaningful way, and fuck yes does it do that. I don't even know how I rank it compared to the other two. I just know that it doesn't stick out like a sore thumb in quality compared to the other two, and there will be valid reasons for people to call any of them their favourite down the line. Everyone will have a slightly different opinion, but I just think this is another worthy addition to the series and that's the crucial part.

As I sit here and type this now, I think it might be my favourite of the whole trilogy. It might also be my least favourite. But the point is the trilogy ended brilliantly and exactly as it should, with a hell of a lot of surprises along the way. If it is your least favourite, it won't matter too much. I think this needs to be viewed as part of (in my opinion) the best trilogy of my admittedly not very long lifetime, and much like Star Wars, it shouldn't bloody matter which one is the best, they're all crucial parts of the big puzzle.

Basically, if GAF has you worried and you're just an average Nolan Batman fan, then don't worry anymore.
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Certainly a lot of this is why I want to see the film again. I sort of had this expectation of something. I don't know what it was. It wasn't for it to be better than TDK, I have long since merely wanted a satisfying conclusion. Which I got, but it played out differently than I imagined, which left me confused as I walked out of the theater. Thrilled and confused. Now that this expectation is out of the way, I want to check it out and see if things settle.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
I also made the mistake of watching TDK way to close to this. Really puts a big spotlight on the fact that there is nothing that makes your jaw drop.
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I wouldn't even say my expectations were THAT high. My batman knowledge isnt huge beyond the movies, games, and the major comic story lines. There is just no spectacle or that "i dont know what happens next" feeling. I even stayed away from media as much as possible.
 
Posted this in the spoiler thread but no reaction yet. (Don't worry, not about the movie!)

Was anyone here for the most recent account suicide in the OT and read what the guy actually typed? I know some people tried to reassure us that that stuff wasn't true, but I honestly can't remember what he typed. I just wanna see if it was true after all.

PM me
 
KingKong said:
People who think it's the worst of all 3 really need to watch the first movie again. The climax is Batman trying to stop a train from delivering some device that vaporizes toxic water

I think TDK being so great makes people forget that the first movie wasn't that special
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I don't want to go into spoilers but this climax is the worst of the three.
 
Superimposer said:
Posted this in the spoiler thread but no reaction yet. (Don't worry, not about the movie!)

Was anyone here for the most recent account suicide in the OT and read what the guy actually typed? I know some people tried to reassure us that that stuff wasn't true, but I honestly can't remember what he typed. I just wanna see if it was true after all.

PM me
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This is what I was wondering.
 
I'm not trying to kill anybodies Batman high, but after catching the midnight premiere The Dark Knight Rises, I left feeling like I received a bad blow job.. mentally.

PROS

+ The Atmosphere, Cinematography and Directing overall was truly on point (you expect no less from Nolan)

+ As plan Jane as Ann Hathaway maybe, she actually did a decent job playing a flat Ass-&-Tiddy version of CatWoman (easily the most entertaining character in the flick)

+ The concept behind the main plot was pretty damn dope (the execution on the other hand, not so much).

+ It truly concluded the Dark Knight trilogy, while opening the door for the "next" Gotham hero.

CONS

- Bane looked like a generic butch queen bouncer from Deja-Vu (rocking a Dollar Tree Predator mask) and sounded like Sean Coonery gargling a mouth full of semen (not the Bane I remember from the series).

- Christian Bale still sounds like Louis Jefferson in Batman drag (when in Dark Knight attire). He's also far weaker in this film (like Mr. Burns weak).

- The fight scenes were so basic, cheaply choreographed and simply slow, it felt as if you were watching a senior citizen reunion special of WWE Monday Night Raw.

- The relationship between Batman and CatWoman, was just.. meh.

- With the film being almost 3-HOURS long and with the worthwhile action scenes being FAR and in-between, you will find yourself looking at your watch often.

In short, this film will quickly remind you how vital Heath Ledger was to the Dark Knight, and how he is soooo sorely missed in the Dark Knight Rises. Anyway... TheDarkKnight >>>>>>>> TheDarkKnightRises > BatmanBegins (IMO)
 
Surprised at the disappointment from a lot of people, but oh well. It's odd how revered TDK seems to be by a lot of people, I love it but it's regarded as flawless in a lot of quarters, which confuses me.

Anyway I'm not gonna bother combating people's questions and queries on why it's stupid or bad or disappointing, I think the people that do are leading a futile battle, as with most opinions.

Can't wait to see it again.
 
evilromero said:
My expectations are rock bottom for this movie thanks to this thread. I'm expecting a long bloated movie that doesn't come close to TDK. That should mean I'll enjoy it.
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TDK has plenty of flaws--I think people need to go back and rewatch it. I kinda feel like fast forwarding to the Gordon/Bats/Dent standoff after the Joker escapes the prison, and I can't really reason that as a "small" flaw anymore.

TDKR is long, by necessity, and I think it could have been longer. It's not perfect and has more story/plotholes than the other films, and the editing/cuts feel rushed at some points, but I also think TDKR has many more jaw-dropping moments in it compared to TDK. I feel like it has a better emotional arc than TDK, surprisingly.

Nolan's blockbusters (BB, TDK, TDKR, and Inception) are epitomized by "whole is greater than the sum of its parts", and for better or worse, TDKR is the strongest example of that.
 
Wilbury said:
Surprised at the disappointment from a lot of people, but oh well. It's odd how revered TDK seems to be by a lot of people, I love it but it's regarded as flawless in a lot of quarters, which confuses me.

Anyway I'm not gonna bother combating people's questions and queries on why it's stupid or bad or disappointing, I think the people that do are leading a futile battle, as with most opinions.

Can't wait to see it again.
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There's also a lot of people who said they love this movie in this thread.

Many in here even said Rises was their fav in the trilogy.

I wouldn't just look at the negative reviews.

This is no Spiderman 3/Xmen 3/Godfather 3/Matrix Revolutions in quality.
 
Wilbury said:
Surprised at the disappointment from a lot of people, but oh well. It's odd how revered TDK seems to be by a lot of people, I love it but it's regarded as flawless in a lot of quarters, which confuses me.

Anyway I'm not gonna bother combating people's questions and queries on why it's stupid or bad or disappointing, I think the people that do are leading a futile battle, as with most opinions.

Can't wait to see it again.
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I'm seeing it again as well. Maybe a second viewing will help.

I know I was disappointed, but I'm not trying to convince anyone in the spoiler thread of anything. I'm just trying to lay out my reasoning and gut reaction.
 
vicissitudes said:
That's it? Didn't Harry Potter do 43m?

Bomba confirmed.
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Well they have different audiences who act upon seeing it in different ways etc. For instance, I think Dark Knight only did 18m, and Avengers 25. Those movies are movies that had big legs, whereas Harry Potter was more one big fanboy jizzfest for a weekend then it tailed off quite quickly in comparison. I think one should compare it to TDK instead
 
Wilbury said:
Surprised at the disappointment from a lot of people, but oh well. It's odd how revered TDK seems to be by a lot of people, I love it but it's regarded as flawless in a lot of quarters, which confuses me.

Anyway I'm not gonna bother combating people's questions and queries on why it's stupid or bad or disappointing, I think the people that do are leading a futile battle, as with most opinions.

Can't wait to see it again.
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Well, to me, I think when you see TDK for the first time, there's a certain feeling that you have. For me, it was just plain shock. The flaws got glossed over because I was so utterly absorbed into the film that first time. That wasn't the same feeling I had walking out of this one. It was a feeling of content (ending?), but it wasn't on the high of TDK.
 
Superimposer said:
Well they have different audiences who act upon seeing it in different ways etc. For instance, I think Dark Knight only did 18m, and Avengers 25. Those movies are movies that had big legs, whereas Harry Potter was more one big fanboy jizzfest for a weekend then it tailed off quite quickly in comparison. I think one should compare it to TDK instead
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Avengers did 18 and TDK probably even lower
 
Oddduck said:
There's also a lot of people who said they love this movie in this thread.

Many in here even said Rises was their fav in the trilogy.

I wouldn't just look at the negative reviews.
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Oh I know, but the people that do love it also love the other two. I'm surprised that people who loved the first two didn't like this one.

There's a lot of flaws with the film, there really is. But it's surprising to me that TDK is being held up as a masterpiece when it had very similar flaws.

Tookay said:
I'm seeing it again as well. Maybe a second viewing will help.

I know I was disappointed, but I'm not trying to convince anyone in the spoiler thread of anything. I'm just trying to lay out my reasoning and gut reaction.
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I'm not arguing or being defense force or accusatory, honestly :) everyone has their opinions.

It's just half the posts in the spoiler thread are confusing in their chastising of Rises and not similar things in the first two (not you, you're doing fine), or asking silly questions which obviously aren't the case.
 
INPAQ said:
I'm not trying to kill anybodies Batman high, but after catching the midnight premiere The Dark Knight Rises, I left feeling like I received a bad blow job.. mentally.

PROS

+ The Atmosphere, Cinematography and Directing overall was truly on point (you expect no less from Nolan)

+ As plan Jane as Ann Hathaway maybe, she actually did a decent job playing a flat Ass-&-Tiddy version of CatWoman (easily the most entertaining character in the flick)

+ The concept behind the main plot was pretty damn dope (the execution on the other hand, not so much).

+ It truly concluded the Dark Knight trilogy, while opening the door for the "next" Gotham hero.

CONS

- Bane looked like a generic butch queen bouncer from Deja-Vu (rocking a Dollar Tree Predator mask) and sounded like Sean Coonery gargling a mouth full of semen (not the Bane I remember from the series).

- Christian Bale still sounds like Louis Jefferson in Batman drag (when in Dark Knight attire). He's also far weaker in this film (like Mr. Burns weak).

- The fight scenes were so basic, cheaply choreographed and simply slow, it felt as if you were watching a senior citizen reunion special of WWE Monday Night Raw.

- The relationship between Batman and CatWoman, was just.. meh.

- With the film being almost 3-HOURS long and with the worthwhile action scenes being FAR and in-between, you will find yourself looking at your watch often.

In short, this film will quickly remind you how vital Heath Ledger was to the Dark Knight, and how he is soooo sorely missed in the Dark Knight Rises. Anyway... TheDarkKnight >>>>>>>> TheDarkKnightRises > BatmanBegins (IMO)
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This is what I was afraid of. I hated all the fight scenes in BB and TDK. Nolan should have watched Big Daddy's scene in kickass.
 
ViewtifulJC said:
Overall though, now that I've slept on, I would give TDKR a B-, with the Avengers being B+ and TDK being A-. If I was a grade-giving kind of guy.

This was my first midnight showing, and it was a great experience. Nobody made any stupid jokes, cell phones weren't going off, no babies, no ADD teens talking to each other during the "boring" parts. They cheered at all the fan service bits and the title at the end. When you see a movie with an enthusiastic crowd like that, all kinds of people coming together to enjoy a film, it's so much better then sitting at matinee mostly alone in silence. All the emotions are heightened and more memorable when more people are involved.

KOG would have hated it, though. And that one guy in here who was scared shitless about going to a movie alone would probably have died. So many people could have saw him!

edit: YAMATO WHERE THE CATWOMAN PICS
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Are you talking about me? Yeah i chickened out and didn't go.

Anybody went to the AMC lowes lincoln square in NY? How packed was it?
 
Leave it to Gaf to let itself get swayed by some negative opinions. I'm not throwing shit at people that have negative reactions to the film, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But the people that go "oh shite, x and y didn't like it, must be shit! No other way around" are ridiculous to say the least, whatever happened to forming your own opinion?
 
Superimposer said:
Well they have different audiences who act upon seeing it in different ways etc. For instance, I think Dark Knight only did 18m, and Avengers 25. Those movies are movies that had big legs, whereas Harry Potter was more one big fanboy jizzfest for a weekend then it tailed off quite quickly in comparison. I think one should compare it to TDK instead
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RBelong2Us said:
Avengers did 18 and TDK probably even lower
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No, this is too logical.

I cannot be reasoned with. I just want to watch this thread burn.
 
aerts1js said:
I must have posted in the wrong thread before but I just got back from it. It was good, not great. Worst of the trilogy.
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Aye, exact same thoughts. It's good but not Dark Knight level good. Whole Empire Strikes Back -> Return syndrome. Still, a fun movie.
 
Pretty easy metric - if you didn't feel the microwave emitter in Begins was preposterous, if you weren't bored by the first hour, if you're not biased there will never be a Joker sized villain again, if you have forgiven the minor flaws that are both present in BB and TDK where there is just inconsistencies on how what could happen when, and if you don't go to Batman films for just Batman, but also for Bruce Wayne, then you will love the shit out of this.

If not, temper your expectations accordingly.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Pretty easy metric - if you didn't feel the microwave emitter in Begins was preposterous, if you weren't bored by the first hour, if you're not biased there will never be a Joker sized villain again, if you have forgiven the minor flaws that are both present in BB and TDK where there is just inconsistencies o mow what could happen when, and if you don't go to Batman films for just Batman, but also for Bruce Wayne,myou will love the shit out of this.

If not, temper your expectations accordingly.
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Perfick
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Pretty easy metric - if you didn't feel the microwave emitter in Begins was preposterous, if you weren't bored by the first hour, if you're not biased there will never be a Joker sized villain again, if you have forgiven the minor flaws that are both present in BB and TDK where there is just inconsistencies on how what could happen when, and if you don't go to Batman films for just Batman, but also for Bruce Wayne, then you will love the shit out of this.

If not, temper your expectations accordingly.
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Wonderful
 
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