Following through on thematic and emotional throughlines is more important than being gritty for gritty's sake.
The Dark Knight Rises |OT| The Legend Ends (Warning: Unmarked Spoilers Within)
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Following through on thematic and emotional throughlines is more important than being gritty for gritty's sake.
Ah yes I was wondering why this thread was on the first page again.
Should every movie always have a sad ending for it to be good?
Or can a character who has seen no redemption and or happiness over 3 movies be allowed to be happy at the end?
Still shocked that almost 1.5 years after release there is the same group of people almost out to convince people the movie sucked. Get over it. People have different tastes and opinions. Tons of people here didn't like it and tons of people did. Doesn't make it fact one way or the other.
Should every movie always have a sad ending for it to be good?
Or can a character who has seen no redemption and or happiness over 3 movies be allowed to be happy at the end?
Still shocked that almost 1.5 years after release there is the same group of people almost out to convince people the movie sucked. Get over it. People have different tastes and opinions. Tons of people here didn't like it and tons of people did. Doesn't make it fact one way or the other.
The ending was Nolan's through and through. Iirc, from the first screening, execs actually didn't like the ending, which I assume is because it writes Bruce Wayne out and sets up someone less marketable as Batman.
Funny that's the part where I actually think the movie finally wakes from its slumber and starts coming together (still haphazardly, mind you).
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
No but I don't feel like TDKR was trying to establish itself as having a more optimistic tone after TDK's more grim, "there are hard choices" thing. TDKR actually didn't really have a theme or tone at all, which is a large part of why it doesn't work
There's a difference between liking something and thinking its well made though. I don't actually like TDK that much, its not a movie I really enjoy, but I very much appreciate that its a well constructed movie in a lot of ways. TDKR has some weird and frankly amateurish problems with how its put together that I'm still kind of amazed more people don't seem to care about. Not because I think I'm "more refined" or "smarter" then everyone else but because when I was first watching this film in the theater I noticed these issues, that's how blatant I thought they were
Liquidsnake
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I think the man gave everything he had. It was ok by me. That type of existence can not last for ever. These things can and will be debated in school film classes for decades to come. Its the beauty of what was created here.
afternoon delight
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Right there with you. By the time I was laughing out loud at the Gordon and Dick interactions, I was unsettled.
When Bane started pulling Joker 2.0, I was openly bored.
It's pretty terrible to be bored, in a theater, at a Batman show.
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Trying to breath here between the laughter.
It does have a theme. It's about how caring about life and being afraid of death - as opposed to being fearless - gives you strength.
The movie has 20 million other things going on with it, though, so that message is muddled completely.
And, yeah, it is pretty amateurish in spots. Nolan bit off more than he could chew.
PhantomZone
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I enjoyed it, in fact it was my favorite superhero movie of 2012 (disliked The Avengers, it just was not for me). The were parts that made me cringe, but overall i accepted it as being the final part of the trilogy, it is rare that the third movie surpasses the previous films.
gray_fox224
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Watching this again with the Giantbomb stream in the background. I think it's the best of the three. The pacing is excellent.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I still love it. I wish they'd have made it two films instead of one, but other than that, I still love it.
Eppy Thatcher
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Gotta chime in on the Nay side for this one. Love TDK - feels like a much more focused and sure of itself film in so many ways. With an infinitely stronger roster of players and beats that it hits.
TDKR was good.. there were things about the movie that actually really surprised me as far as how well they pulled it off and made certain aspects gel fantastically - but shortly after the Bane fight it falls incredibly flat for me. Too many aspects felt like they were just meandering or floating towards the conclusion (which admittedly i fucking dug real hard. A little heavy handed with the "My names Robin" shit but still I had goosebumps).
completely serious, non-sarcastic or insulting question:
When you say it's going to be studied in film schools - specifically the ending and such - why do you say that? What does it do that captivates and would make a student think more than say a No Country For Old Men ending or even TDK's ending? Rises felt very strawberry fields foreverish to me.
Oh hell yes this. Would have been great to lengthen the entire first segment of the film out and have it end with Bane breaking him in half and sending him to the hole.
TDKR was good.. there were things about the movie that actually really surprised me as far as how well they pulled it off and made certain aspects gel fantastically - but shortly after the Bane fight it falls incredibly flat for me. Too many aspects felt like they were just meandering or floating towards the conclusion (which admittedly i fucking dug real hard. A little heavy handed with the "My names Robin" shit but still I had goosebumps).
completely serious, non-sarcastic or insulting question:
When you say it's going to be studied in film schools - specifically the ending and such - why do you say that? What does it do that captivates and would make a student think more than say a No Country For Old Men ending or even TDK's ending? Rises felt very strawberry fields foreverish to me.
Oh hell yes this. Would have been great to lengthen the entire first segment of the film out and have it end with Bane breaking him in half and sending him to the hole.
KoruptData
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When I first watched it, I has no knowledge of Bat literature. But after getting into comics and reading No Mans Land, TDKR, etc, I have come to really enjoy this movie.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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This would have worked best, honestly. Would have let us see more of Wayne having to build himself up as well as the chaos in Gotham that Bane is wreaking. Plus, we could see Scarecrow get his comeuppance again. The movie jumps ahead a lot and glosses over some stuff... so two movies would have been wicked.
3rd highest poster in the thread. What a shock
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDdX6meXcY4#t=155
this scene is making me so mad
there are like 7 guys pointing guns right at batman and none of them shoot him
whats the deal
this scene is making me so mad
there are like 7 guys pointing guns right at batman and none of them shoot him
whats the deal
besides nolan not being able to shoot an action scene
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