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[Grim1ock]

lure? that makes it sound like the olympics are something bad

unfortunate choice of words. but every athelte who is proefssional dreams of playing in the olympics. It's the pinnacle for many people. For someone to disregard that all for their principles is someone i admire

 

[spiderman123]

Just faceroll her in 5 seconds, then we can get this over with. Saudi Arabia should be banned from participating in the Olympics, plain and simple. Oppressive governments who treat half their population like shit are against Olympic spirit imo.

So we forget them entirely? The purpose is to inspire people as well create a movement which usually happens. Who knows if SA does well, more freedom may be granted to women.

 

[Despera]

I say let her compete, they can use her "hat" to clean up her blood off the matt.

But Melissa is not wearing a hat.

 

[Keylime]

Judo in itself is potentially a dangerous sport. Wouldn't an amicable option be to let these women decide whether or not the risk of wearing the hijab is worth it?

Where do you draw the line? Can a dude wear arm wraps if they want? How about a chain? How about shoes? How about earrings? How about hoop earrings? Glasses? Knee pads? Wedding rings?

Instead of trying to handle everything on a case by case basis like this, you just set a standard uniform and be done with it. Otherwise it's chaos.

 

[planar1280]

Just faceroll her in 5 seconds, then we can get this over with. Saudi Arabia should be banned from participating in the Olympics, plain and simple. Oppressive governments who treat half their population like shit are against Olympic spirit imo.

That goes for China, Burma, North Korea, Pakistan, Bhutan, Cambodia, Syria, Israel, Palestine


Oh wait....

 

[SmokyDave]

some ppl have their own religious principles and consider them to be very important. I salute her because she's sticking to it even against the lure of playing in the olympics and the world stage

You should be saluting her father since he seems to be the one pulling the strings.

I don't understand how her principles allowed her to get on a plane knowing full well she wouldn't be eligible to compete. Seems like a giant waste of time for all concerned.

 

[Tesseract]

I say let her compete, they can use her "hat" to clean up her blood off the matt.

this is like something john kreese would say. excellent.

 

[B-Dubs]

This is her first opponent, Melissa Mojica.

Mother of god...someone shop a Bane mask on this lady.

 

[planar1280]

Mother of god...someone shop a Bane mask on this lady.

Please someone needs to do this. Come on!

 

[Alucrid]

So we forget them entirely? The purpose is to inspire people as well create a movement which usually happens. Who knows if SA does well, more freedom may be granted to women.

Yeah, maybe in four years they'll let three females compete in the olympics.

 

[shinobi602]

Right. I kind of meant more like would she get struck down by a thunderbolt or something. I don't understand what they're covering their hair for - will it turn into snakes? Is her hair made of vaginas? I don't get it, it's just hair.

Hair's sometimes one of the sexiest things about a woman dude. Covering it for modesty isn't that far fetched to be honest.

 

[themadcowtipper]

For comparison

 

[Daydream Sequence]

some ppl have their own religious principles and consider them to be very important. I salute her because she's sticking to it even against the lure of playing in the olympics and the world stage

You have no idea what she's choosing to do. She hasn't spoken for herself yet.

 

[Chinner]

Please someone needs to do this. Come on!

omg den rite "baned" omg dkr-crew uknite!!!!!

 

[Alucrid]

Well...this is clearly a farce.

 

[jett]

Away with you, not a single fuck will be given.

 

[planar1280]

For comparison

Hmmmm she looks bigger and meaner than her opponent

 

[Joel Was Right]

You should be saluting her father since he seems to be the one pulling the strings.

I don't understand how her principles allowed her to get on a plane knowing full well she wouldn't be eligible to compete. Seems like a giant waste of time for all concerned.

You seem to be concluding that it is her father's decision simply because he is the one quoted in the article.

Where do you draw the line? Can a dude wear arm wraps if they want? How about a chain? How about shoes? How about earrings? How about hoop earrings? Glasses? Knee pads? Wedding rings?

Instead of trying to handle everything on a case by case basis like this, you just set a standard uniform and be done with it. Otherwise it's chaos.

I understand your point, but lets not compare jewellery and personal items to a mandatory piece of religious attire.

 

[spiderman123]

Yeah, maybe in four years they'll let three females compete in the olympics.

Better than nothing.

 

[phosphor112]

Where do you draw the line? Can a dude wear arm wraps if they want? How about a chain? How about shoes? How about earrings? How about hoop earrings? Glasses? Knee pads? Wedding rings?

Instead of trying to handle everything on a case by case basis like this, you just set a standard uniform and be done with it. Otherwise it's chaos.

That's a bit of a slippery slope now is it?

That goes for China, Burma, North Korea, Pakistan, Bhutan, Cambodia, Syria, Israel, Palestine


Oh wait....

Is Palestine even represented in the olympics?

 

[FACE]

She's getting ippon'd faster than you can say ippon.

 

[Daydream Sequence]

You seem to be concluding that it is her father's decision simply because he is the one quoted in the article.

The quote doesn't say, "Speaking on behalf of my daughter's wishes.." So yeah, the only logical assumption is that her dad has made the decision for her.

 

[SmokyDave]

You seem to be concluding that it is her father's decision simply because he is the one quoted in the article.

That is an accurate summary of my conclusion, indeed.

 

[Monocle]

Not really shaved though is it?

Needs to do a Ripley then you might have a point!

Hah! You have been foiled, sir!

 

[Grim1ock]

You have no idea what she's choosing to do. She hasn't spoken for herself yet.

And is that because it's her father who was qouted and not her? That's reporting for you.

 

[planar1280]

That's a bit of a slippery slope now is it?



Is Palestine even represented in the olympics?

Yes

 

[ChiTownBuffalo]

Hmmmm she looks bigger and meaner than her opponent

 

[ComputerMKII]

Let her withdraw then.

First post, etc.

 

[spiderman123]

And is that because it's her father who was qouted and not her? That's reporting for you.

Well then I guess it's up to you to prove us wrong. Till then monkey see monkey do.

 

[Castor Krieg]

That goes for China, Burma, North Korea, Pakistan, Bhutan, Cambodia, Syria, Israel, Palestine


Oh wait....

Let us exercise some measure of common sense here.

China, Burma, North Korea: treat citizens like shit

Saudi Arabia: treat citizens like shit + treats women worse

I understand your point, but lets not compare jewellery and personal items to a mandatory piece of religious attire.

Why not? It all comes down to how many people wear it. There is nothing different about it, except millions more wear headscarves. As someone mentioned before, if people exercised common sense she should be allowed to take it off for the fight in the spirit of competition. One Muslim athlete is not observing Rammadan, he will hand out food to the poor instead. Why can't they work out some scheme for her as well? IOC is not doing this to spite Saudi Arabia.

 

[Keylime]

I understand your point, but lets not compare jewellery and personal items to a mandatory piece of religious attire.

Religious attire = optional piece of clothing...no different than jewelry.

Just because SHE thinks it's mandatory doesn't make it so. The safety and purity of the sport should trump your personal beliefs, always.

 

[planar1280]

I stand corrected

 

[Daydream Sequence]

Regarding Ramadan:

This year, more than 3,000 Muslim athletes will compete in the Olympics, but many will not fast, a decision that has been sanctioned by religious authorities. While Muslims are increasingly common on Western teams -- for example British rower Mohamed Sbihi and French boxer Rachid Azzedine -- no Muslims made the U.S. team this year.

Exceptions can be made, and sanctioned. If her country truly wants her to compete and represent them, they'll find a way.

 

[ComputerMKII]

She's competing in the olympics and she's not even 1st dan?

Amateurs at the Olympics are funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqI8xwXVac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PPcvJNNZi8

 

[TheRagnCajun]

I have to imagine that there's an amicable solution to both parties, if there was some sort of sport-hijab that will break away or tear easily.

 

[Lancehead]

They've sent a female athlete to Olympics for the first time, don't understand why they (her father, to be precise) have such a problem with following that particular rule.

 

[The Adder]

Where do you draw the line?

"Does it increase the danger to you or to both of you

 

[shanshan310]

Judo in itself is potentially a dangerous sport. Wouldn't an amicable option be to let these women decide whether or not the risk of wearing the hijab is worth it?

I agree. If the Judo/ Olympic officials say that the hijab is a danger to herself, let her decide if she wants to take the risk and continue the fight. Absolutely no issues with her choosing to wear it. Her father declaring she'd put out if she can't wear it - and the fact she's young and hasn't been training all that long, on the other hand, I have a big problem with.

 

[B-Dubs]

They've sent a female athlete to Olympics for the first time, don't understand why they (her father, to be precise) have such a problem with following that particular rule.

It's just a way for them to pull out before her opponent lifts her over her head and breaks this poor girl's back with her knee.

A blue belt vs what is probably a favorite to get a medal. Yea I'd make something up too.

 

[Canis lupus]

Imagine if they sent a womens volleyball team. Wouldnt they play just because of that?

 

[gutter_trash]

I am opposed to it for this sport because :
-it can be a used as a strangling object or
-or it can physiologically block sympathetic opponent from using headlocks on takedown being afraid of removing it live in front of everyone.

in fencing, you ware wearing a helmet casing your entire head.

Judo, forget about it, with all the grappling and falling... it's too much of a distraction

 

[Daydream Sequence]

I agree. If the Judo/ Olympic officials say that the hijab is a danger to herself, let her decide if she wants to take the risk and continue the fight. Absolutely no issues with her choosing to wear it. Her father declaring she'd put out if she can't wear it, on the other hand, I have a big problem with.

It's also a potential danger to her opponent.

 

[Dark Octave]

lol She's gonne die at the London Olympics 2012.

 

[Joel Was Right]

The quote doesn't say, "Speaking on behalf of my daughter's wishes.." So yeah, the only logical assumption is that her dad has made the decision for her.

Perhaps you'd have a point if the quote was from a press release or some other form of formal communication. If this was a Christian girl and the problem being a cross necklace, and her father quoted similarly in the article I doubt you'd come to the assumption. In such a context of a woman's rights, you could afford her a little more respect by assuming she is competent enough to make her own decision about this. This isn't the first time a young Muslim woman has been in the news for something like this. In this example, its perfectly logical a parent speak to the press on behalf of a foreign teenage girl, without having to add "on behalf" in a printed quote to prove to you he isn't forcing her.

Religious attire = optional piece of clothing...no different than jewelry.

Just because SHE thinks it's mandatory doesn't make it so. The safety and purity of the sport should trump your personal beliefs, always.

The Hijab is mandatory for Muslim women.

 

[Reave]

To be the devil's advocate for a second, I think the counterpoint is that if the Olympics are going to welcome all countries to the games, then one would assume they would consider things like religious beliefs and things of that nature when it comes to certain rules.

But at the end of the day, rules are rules, so if she can't follow them then she should withdraw. Her problem.

 

[F#A#Oo]

Regarding Ramadan:



Exceptions can be made, and sanctioned. If her country truly wants her to compete and represent them, they'll find a way.

Muslims travelling during the month of Ramadan can defer their fast...

There is no deferring and exceptions made for covering...

 

[Zoe]

Reminds me of that soccer team that refused to compete unless they could use a traditional hijab.

 

[Dark Octave]

What happens if it gets pulled off during the match?

 

[phosphor112]

What happens if it gets pulled off during the match?

Uh oh, spaghetti O's?

 

[spiderman123]

What happens if it gets pulled off during the match?

I may fall in love