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Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC
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metalslimer
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I don't think she had feelings at all before Walt begin treating her like shit and shutting her out completely. Ted was just there when she was going through a rough time (pregnant and alone).
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
I wasn't around for the end of that one ep this season where Walt was feeling all up on a clearly disinterested and unattracted and entirely grossed out and terrified Skylar. Was I the only one who finally just started to feel gross every time Walt was on screen after that? Or did she have that coming because she made the mistake of marrying him.
metalslimer
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Not surprising when the very focus of this episode is probably the biggest issue that gets discussed here besides Is Walt really bad? (which got thrown out the window now that we actually see how deranged he is)
Well the I forgive you line in the first episode already made me see him as gone. The headed towards rape scene was just the icing on the cake. There have been domestic abuse undertones building up to this episode and it finally just came out in the open. "How about if I put you in mental institution" WHAT THE FUCK
Nope, I literally posted "disgusting" when that scene started.
Finally!
Somewhat off topic, but there's a new preview of the show "Revolution" and Giancarlo Esposito looks completely badass in the villain role:
Spectacular episode. Emmys for Gunn and Cranston in there. Some of the darkest and most uncomfortable stuff I've seen on TV in a while. Sky staring into the glossy blue pool, soundtrack droningincredible stuff.
So some people were actually confused about it only having been a year? I mean, go back and watch the show. Most episodes don't take place over too many days and the gaps between episodes usually aren't long. Seasons often take place moments apart, even. And there have only been 50 episodes. Even at an average of a week an episode it would be under a year. Seems to line up to me.
And I've tried to have intelligent discussions with Team Walt this whole season so far, but reading this thread and all the people calling her a bitch or ho or some other uncreative derogatory name they picked up at age 14 and haven't progressed beyond, or the people wishing for her to be beaten, or the people questioning that she's even been through much: it's all too much to actually read. The worst of all is people saying Skyler should commit suicide because at least that'd be brave. That's just...I can't really wrap my head around how to deal with the multiple grievous things wrong with that concept. It's gross.
Maybe it's less constructive to quit this discussion, but if it'll save me from trying to put my head in a real-life pitch-black space like that, I'm comfortable with it. I won't have to consider something so revolting as thinking suicide due to elongated abuse is courageous, and you all can go on with unchallenged opinions and we'll all be happy.
So some people were actually confused about it only having been a year? I mean, go back and watch the show. Most episodes don't take place over too many days and the gaps between episodes usually aren't long. Seasons often take place moments apart, even. And there have only been 50 episodes. Even at an average of a week an episode it would be under a year. Seems to line up to me.
And I've tried to have intelligent discussions with Team Walt this whole season so far, but reading this thread and all the people calling her a bitch or ho or some other uncreative derogatory name they picked up at age 14 and haven't progressed beyond, or the people wishing for her to be beaten, or the people questioning that she's even been through much: it's all too much to actually read. The worst of all is people saying Skyler should commit suicide because at least that'd be brave. That's just...I can't really wrap my head around how to deal with the multiple grievous things wrong with that concept. It's gross.
Maybe it's less constructive to quit this discussion, but if it'll save me from trying to put my head in a real-life pitch-black space like that, I'm comfortable with it. I won't have to consider something so revolting as thinking suicide due to elongated abuse is courageous, and you all can go on with unchallenged opinions and we'll all be happy.
Started thinking about that as well. I think the biggest timejump happens in the last Ep of Season 2. Surgery -> Second Cellphone stuff becomes the truth for Skyler -> Walt strong enough to be alone after recovery -> Skyler leaving -> plane crash. Believe it is 3 weeks in just a few minutes.
Then S3 picks up again a week or so after I believe when Walt gives his speech at the Uni. I have to check it out but it could aslo be a few weeks for that.
Right, and when you throw that in with episodes like Fly and 4 Days Out and Peekaboo and more, everything balances out.
I get why people have lost track of time over the years though, what with the fairly relentless pacing. I'd think it had been 2 or more years too if I hadn't picked up the show only after season 3 and rewatched the whole thing before season 5 started.
-Pyromaniac-
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It only makes it more crazy that we're about to see some crazy jumps in time to get to that point in the diner. Can't wait to see what causes it.
DevelopmentArrested
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You sooner you realize that it's just a TV show the better?
BenjaminBirdie
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I was waiting for this one.
Battersea Power Station
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What I don't get is why would a take ID have his real birthday?
What is this supposed to mean? That the writers and producers are not actually interested in exploring themes of trust, love, pride, deception, and many more?
I've been aware of how 'little' time has passed since some time last season, but it doesn't surprise me that it confuses people. It's pretty unusual to have a show have such a tight timeframe (gimmicky things like 24's structure aside).
I was struck, though, by the fact that both Breaking Bad and The Newsroom hit one year of continuity time last night. Breaking Bad with five seasons and The Newsroom with 7 episodes.
Sometimes people ask you for your birthdate to confirm you are who you say you are when they have your id in hand. I think if you had really quality fake ID it'd have an accurate birthdate on it just so you don't have to remember that extra detail about who you're supposed to be and potentially fuck it up.
He loves himself. Walt sees his kids as an extension of himself. Hence Walter Junior, and why he's so pissed when he starts calling himself Flynn. All of his interactions with them, throughout most of the show really, are visibly him doing what a "good dad" does, because he views himself as a good dad. This is especially evident with Holly, or in season 3 scenes like the pizza scene. But when Junior does take initiative, like when he sets up the website, you see him react in a totally different -- and much less "loving" -- way. (This is way back in season 2, remember, so don't tell yourself it's post-Crawl Space. He's been like this the whole time.)
It's important to understand the distinction between Walter White doing things because he is a family man and Walter White doing things because he TELLS HIMSELF he is a family man, because it's kind of key to the show. (And arguably key to, you know, making good decisions in life, but let's start with understanding the show.)
Yeah, that's not what antihero means. Antiheroes possess heroic as well as villainous qualities.
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Deleted member 81567
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I fucking hate this excuse. We realize it's a tv show. I enjoy seeing Walt building his empire as well. End of the day, you get emotionally invested in such a great show, and you root for what you think is right or wrong. If Walt survives and trumps all, then there's no moral or deep meaning beneath the show. There won't be a downfall, which is what this whole show is about.
I'm seriously becoming a parrot, repeating the same shit over and over.
-Pyromaniac-
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bullshit. He needs more people.
Battersea Power Station
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One of the best things about the show is that they don't leave things out in the background. There are no shortcuts.
I remember thinking at the end of the pilot, when they showed Walt washing the money in the laundry, "How did he move the stuff?" And assuming they'll just gloss over it.
I fell in love with the show in the second episode when they went back to the RV in the desert and showed everything step by step.
It throws me for a loop when I go to Game of Thrones and sometimes 5 months go by between two adjacent scenes...
Cornballer
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Unfortunately no one's done an update that I know of, but NY Mag put together the S1-S3 timeline.
It'll be very interesting to see how/when that all comes into play for the show. The huge jump was completely unexpected for a show that's been so deliberate and measured with its timeline so far. It's disorienting (and exciting) to think about the possibilities.
Mhm. I'm wondering if the next handful of episodes is going to blow through stuff, or if we'll have a huge jump at some point. Excited to see how it happens.
I also liked the "51" and "5/1" titles of those shows last night. Funny coincidence.
I still don't get the pacing on The Newsroom. I guess this is better for that thread but I've all but given up on taking it seriously so I'll put it here: does anyone take those relationships seriously? They've been together a year and we've seen barely anything of substance.
Pretty much this. And I don't think I'm taking it too seriously. Not like ignoring opinions is a grave choice.
Plus it's not like I don't see the distinction between people who simply don't like Skyler and people who want her to kill herself because that's supposedly brave. The former is comprehensible even when I disagree, the latter is gross. No other way to put it.
canceling flight to NM now, guess I won't get to make skylerskysky a ricin sandwich
I'll eat my shoe and throw the other one at maharg if they don't make the time jump by the end of the half-season.
-Pyromaniac-
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I've obviously tried a thousand times in this thread to figure out why it could happen, but honestly I have zero logical idea, what could happen between then and now that would be so drastic.
you know what's another possibility I never thought of until now, what if the time jump happens between season halves. Something happens in the midseason finale, then the show picks up 10 months later or something.
I honestly don't know. I'm sticking with my scarface money making montage happening.
Shit...maybe they try rope Hank as being part of the blue meth because he wouldn't play ball with the inside guy and he has all those bills paid for by Walt.
Walt then tries to break him out. But as Walt tries to break him out it turns out be a setup by Hank, a long con of sorts. Because hank has known for a while.
Final shot is Detective Jesse slapping the cuffs on Walt.
With Skysky by his side.
Walt then tries to break him out. But as Walt tries to break him out it turns out be a setup by Hank, a long con of sorts. Because hank has known for a while.
Final shot is Detective Jesse slapping the cuffs on Walt.
With Skysky by his side.
I didn't read the pool scene simply as an attempted suicide, but also as a way of isolating herself from the situation.
The sound is blocked by the water and we see her floating with a relaxed face, like she wanted to shield herself from Walt, guilt for Ted's incident, stress for her kids' safety and the general situation she was in.. that is, until Walt intrudes from behind to drag her back in that world.
Ofcourse escaping problems and suicide are strictly connected, but i read it more like a search of isolation, rather than straight up suicide.
The sound is blocked by the water and we see her floating with a relaxed face, like she wanted to shield herself from Walt, guilt for Ted's incident, stress for her kids' safety and the general situation she was in.. that is, until Walt intrudes from behind to drag her back in that world.
Ofcourse escaping problems and suicide are strictly connected, but i read it more like a search of isolation, rather than straight up suicide.
She admitted it was to create drama to get hank/marie to take the kids.
Skylar isn't that intelligent.
-Pyromaniac-
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and then you wake up
Yeah, I agree. Didn't read it as suicide at all. It was escape in a much more immediate and visceral sense. She couldn't stand to listen to Walt any more and play the good wife so she got to the most immediate escape she could. The slowness and the dead look on her face coming from the fight in her brain between the competing priorities of seeming normal and escaping the situation.
tycoonheart
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If that is really what the show is about Gilligan wouldn't have said he would've been perfectly happy had the show ended after Season 4. He said that in an interview. Said when they came up with that end they weren't sure if it was gonna get picked up for another season and him and his team would've been perfectly fine with the show ending there.
Skyler's discussion with Walt later on made it clear that it was largely a calculated-yet-desperate attempt to get the kids away from him. She told Walt earlier that she wanted the kids away from that "environment," and like the absorbed asshole that he is, he shrugged it off, so she had to resort to other measures.
Skyler clearly still wants to stick around for the kids. She just wants Walt gone and doesn't know what else to do.
Skyler clearly still wants to stick around for the kids. She just wants Walt gone and doesn't know what else to do.
-Pyromaniac-
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Nevah.
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Deleted member 81567
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Maybe he'd be fine, but I'm sure he'd love and prefer to fully complete his downfall with season five. It was a decent ending if it never got renewed, but not how they truly wanted to finish the show.
I took her 'reasoning' for it afterwards as an attempt to look more in control than she actually felt. I don't think her facial expressions conveyed calculation.
I think a huge part of this show is reading between the lines of what people say and what they do. They are often contradictory and it's part of how the show manipulates its audience.
I think a huge part of this show is reading between the lines of what people say and what they do. They are often contradictory and it's part of how the show manipulates its audience.
BenjaminBirdie
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Whoa, did MZS ever nail it:
http://www.vulture.com/2012/08/breaking-bad-recap-season-5-episode-4.html
http://www.vulture.com/2012/08/breaking-bad-recap-season-5-episode-4.html
Cornballer
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If they're going to jump a large amount, say 10 months, then you have to figure it's something that isn't necessarily worth showing over that time like Walt hiding under the radar. Or maybe they'll just bust out a Breaking Bad time-lapse that covers it all.
That wouldn't surprise me at all. Gilligan seems like the type to put together something big for the midseason finale. Maybe most of episode 8 resolves this season and then there's an epilogue that explains the time jump and opens up the possibilities for the last 8 episodes.-Pyromaniac- said:
I take my <3 back. The following does not apply to pyro.
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On a serious note, I'm really disturbed and offended by a lot of posters who can't see the obvious abuse happening in the last episode.
Lost a bit of respect for a few posters.
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Deleted member 81567
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SO WE'RE THE REAL VICTIMS? PEACE.
-Pyromaniac-
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Fuuuck the possibilities just make the wait between episodes so hard. Also there is the possibility I mentioned before that we dont reach that moment until the penultimate or perhaps final episode of the series.If they're going to jump a large amount, say 10 months, then you have to figure it's something that isn't necessarily worth showing over that time like Walt hiding under the radar. Or maybe they'll just bust out a Breaking Bad time-lapse that covers it all.
That wouldn't surprise me at all. Gilligan seems like the type to put together something big for the midseason finale. Maybe most of episode 8 resolves this season and then there's an epilogue that explains the time jump and opens up the possibilities for the last 8 episodes.
Fine you can have her. But only in her season 4 looks. No season 1/5.
When was she preggo? That's my dream Skysky.
Trent Strong
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Erm...
ThanksVision
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I'm sure it's been discussed to death, but what the fuck was with that cold opening? That was the cold opening, right? I'm not imagining things
-Pyromaniac-
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That was season 2 or 3 I think.
Fun Fact: Marie was the one really pregnant on the show. Every time they showed skylar's "stomach" it was actually Marie. I remember V Gillgan said that awhile ago
Scandalous Skysky.
Souless_PJ
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Typical SkySky. Claiming money from poor Walt for a baby that wasn't even hers. I'll have to add it to the list ;-p
I'm not saying it was overtly calculated, but that it's what was dominating her thought process at that point, and it ultimately pushed her over the edge, so to speak. She has her own personal problems with Walt, obviously, but I do think that in the end it largely comes down to her great concern for her kids being around Walt.
Jumping in the pool was a largely ineffective, last resort maneuver, so she certainly was never in control, but desperation and control don't usually go hand-in-hand.
Skyler knows she isn't nearly as bad as Walt, but she still feels culpable on some level, and knows that her kids are completely innocent and don't deserve to be on the end of what's inevitably coming. Walt being so arrogant and insane with power that he doesn't even realize the potential dangers to his children is what truly chilled her to the bone.
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