From what I understand they've tossed out a lot of conventional MMO thinking in order to make it more like a traditional Dragon Quest game, the long term appeal is presumably similar to DQIX except with regular patches. Players describe it as DQIX as an MMO with a better story.
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From what I understand they've tossed out a lot of conventional MMO thinking in order to make it more like a traditional Dragon Quest game, the long term appeal is presumably similar to DQIX except with regular patches. Players describe it as DQIX as an MMO with a better story.
It is absolutely not a bomb. It did better first week than many were expecting.
Oh, you know it bombed? What were the shipment numbers for it then? What were SE's expectations for it? Tell me.
metalslimer
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First of all the game is not done selling. It will continue to sell in the coming weeks. Second of all did you forget the Wii U version. This is VERY far from a bomb. Hell we were having the discussion on whether the game could hit a million ever a while ago.
You didn't see a DQ game bomb in Japan yet.
Publishers thinking like this is exactly why it's failing, even more so than lack of suport by Sony themselves.
Nintendo is the only one who could carry a console on 1st party alone. If 3rd party publishers don't support Vita, then how on earth could it possibly do well? P4G has shown that software on Vita sells and also leads to hardware boosts. It's still a relatively new platform, if devs develop for it and it builds a library people will buy it.
Mixing the trackers, I could say: very positive result for DQ considering its nature. let's wait for ST % in order to better understand SE expactations.
Mario second week is not as strong as I expected, but the most important thing to me is wait and see which will be its "standard" result for a normal week after the launch, to better understand its possible legs.
A lot of 3ds games are holding nicely, from RF to DQ to LBX1.5 (100k mark accomplished).
Very strong 3DS result after the launch of the XL, especially considering that the normal 3DS performed 40K again.
Obviously, ver positve result for the Wii, also if it will be just a temporary peek.
Vita continues to struggle, but that's not surprising considering its actual lineup (in terms of crucial games for the market).
Mario second week is not as strong as I expected, but the most important thing to me is wait and see which will be its "standard" result for a normal week after the launch, to better understand its possible legs.
A lot of 3ds games are holding nicely, from RF to DQ to LBX1.5 (100k mark accomplished).
Very strong 3DS result after the launch of the XL, especially considering that the normal 3DS performed 40K again.
Obviously, ver positve result for the Wii, also if it will be just a temporary peek.
Vita continues to struggle, but that's not surprising considering its actual lineup (in terms of crucial games for the market).
Two years ago, we saw a Dragon Quest game not doing so good.
Dragon Quest Monsters Battle Road Victory.
metalslimer
Member
Maybe some visual novel games? Anyway the thing with Persona 4 or even Time Travelers is that you can't really know if P4G would have done the same or better on 3DS or TT would have done the combined amount if it hadn't gone multiplatform, so saying Vita can sell games isn't really a good draw for a 3rd party. We'll see soon enough how they feel though
DR2K
Banned
I absolutely do not see anything positive to spin here. Those numbers are pitiful.
Also I think we can now extrapolate that DQX servers hold about 10k players each. SE had to double the number of servers this week to 40, and with about 400k sales the math adds up neatly.
Correct.
It's more than the entire FFXI LTD in Japan.
Correct.
It's more than the entire FFXI LTD in Japan.
Most are 2ch trolls, right? Same with DQ IX if I remember right.
Good opening for DQ X, quite a bit bigger than FF XI so that's good. But we can't really judge yet. NSMB2 hasn't exploded out of the gates as people expected, but it'll be selling until the next Nintendo handheld comes out so it'll still sell millions.
Yes, right now there are almost no reasons for developers to be on Vita. Maybe just for very niche developers ( being on a platform with few games and a pretty hardcore audience which should buy them). Let's see how Hatsune Miku will do, however.
Two years ago, we saw a Dragon Quest game not doing so good.
Dragon Quest Monsters Battle Road Victory.
Granted, but it's obvious what kind of DQ entry we're talking about
Maybe the assumption that PSP owners naturally would move on to Vita. Also, it's a fact there's not many Vita games right now, so the few that actually do release might sell well due to the currently active userbase.
So let me ask again: How do you know it didn't sell well? Do you know the shipment number and how high SE's expectations were?
alfredofroylan
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Yes, here's the DQ IX amazon page for comparison.
You're only going to succeed at highlighting your own ignorance at this rate. :-/
You have a point here, but I guess if you release a semi-huge game on 3DS there's a lot of competition and people may pass on it, while Vita owners are kind of starving for new games right now and will more likely buy it.
In the end it depends on how much revenue the game generate for the publisher.
electroplankton
Banned
Two years ago, we saw a Dragon Quest game not doing so good.
Dragon Quest Monsters Battle Road Victory.
IIRC, also DQ Yangus and DQ Heroes: Rocket Slime 3D bombed.
metalslimer
Member
Just stop
Why would you think that? I don't really see why it would sell more if it were the exact same game, just 3DS exclusive.
But, but, qHD! Rear Touch! Near! Two analog sticks! Bubbles!
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
It's an MMO. I don't think you understand what was to be expected of a MMO on the Wii.
That's why developers flocked on Wonderswan instead of GBC.
This is a good point. FFXI sales were limited by the expensive HDD and network adapter, so the comparison isn't completely fair. But still, DQX sales are off to a great start.
Eh, it'd be possible, but recently we've seen lots of new releases for 3DS, and basically all of them did good, or are still doing good.
I mean
13./10. [3DS] Kobitodzukan: Kobito Kansatsu Set <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2012.07.26} (¥5.040) - 12.169 / 38.315 (-53%)
40k in two weeks for this? Seriously?
XD
They might be able to corner the market in handheld F2P MMOs.
It's still too early to say the game succeeded or failed, it could maintain a large userbase or fall off the surface of the planet in the coming months, but going by opening numbers alone, it is doing well.
Even if it's DQ, it's an MMO, so it's not surprising.
DR2K
Banned
FFXI had global appeal. This is pretty much it for DQX. DQX for the Wii tanked in my opinion.
Samething I'd expect with toast being sold for next gen toaster with the DQX name on it.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
What's funny to me is that the games I like most on the Vita don't make use of the second stick(Rayman and now Sound Shapes).
metalslimer
Member
Oh so it will never sell another copy?
These too.
Eteric Rice
Member
Wonder what the chances are of DQX coming to the USA, even without the big DQ presence here?
We Americans like MMOs.
We Americans like MMOs.
Bruno MB
Member
At least give us your reasons why you think that Dragon Quest X bombed.
I'd wager that in Square-Enix's opinion, it was a success.
electroplankton
Banned
Eh, it'd be possible, but recently we've seen lots of new releases for 3DS, and basically all of them did good, or are still doing good.
I mean
13./10. [3DS] Kobitodzukan: Kobito Kansatsu Set <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2012.07.26} (¥5.040) - 12.169 / 38.315 (-53%)
40k in two weeks for this? Seriously?
XD
This and Run for Money -which is still sold out in many stores- are the proofs that 3DS is an healty ecosystem for third parties, imo.
Don't you know? It's over. And people is surely starting returning their copies to stores, so next week it'll be 200k lower, and in some weeks, it'll be at just 100 copies sold.
What's that game about? lolEh, it'd be possible, but recently we've seen lots of new releases for 3DS, and basically all of them did good, or are still doing good.
I mean
13./10. [3DS] Kobitodzukan: Kobito Kansatsu Set <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2012.07.26} (¥5.040) - 12.169 / 38.315 (-53%)
40k in two weeks for this? Seriously?
XD
Anyway, taken form the Vita OT:
I believe that releasing all of these in a relatively short timeframe may boost Vita sales quite a bit and give it some legs. Does anyone have the sales numbers of the other LBPs, Ys, DJ Max? Just curious.
DR2K
Banned
Well here's hoping it makes them bank. I can't wait for their next financial report.
I said the numbers were pitiful for a DQ game.
To contextualize this, Square had to rapidly double the number of servers after launch and are trying to expand individual server capacity. Players have been reporting extremely crowded peak times even after that.
I could be wrong, but at first glance that list is not at all impressive from a sales perspective.
metalslimer
Member
lol
LBP and Ys are not good sellers at all.
"Because it didn't open above 2M and has a lot of negative (troll) reviews on amazon".
You really think these games are going to boost sales??
You have to be kidding me. You've been shown several times that it's the most successful console MMO in Japan's history, but apparently that's a bomb? And then you claim the reason is to international numbers, despite the fact that it hasn't even been released yet? You're a fool.
Yes? Not to 3DS levels obviously, but still.