I have no political affiliation, Obama wins? Okay. Romney wins? Okay.
No problem here.
Mitt Romney announces Paul Ryan as running mate
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I have no political affiliation, Obama wins? Okay. Romney wins? Okay.
No problem here.
As far as I'm aware, Obama is proposing no legislation about birth certificates. Romney is proposing lowering his own taxes because he says he and people like him pay way too much in taxes. One is a weird xenophobic conspiracy, and the other actually relates directly to the candidate's stances on taxes for the wealthy. Also: Obama released both his birth certificate and something like 10 years of tax returns, so even if they were the same (they're not), he's been open about both. Also also: Romney has demanded both Ted Kennedy in the 90s and his opponent for governor in 00s to release more tax returns, so he's a hypocrite/flip flopper on top of everything else.
What if Ron Paul wins?
Thunder Monkey
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Do people really think the Democratic party would allow someone into their primaries that isn't legally an American citizen? Seriously?
Or that Hilary Clinton wouldn't have used it the very instance she found it?
Magneto as President would be fine.
speculawyer
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LOL. A birther.
Haven't seen one of those in ages.
Sweet.
There's a special word for those people.
Great Americans. /hannity
NullPointer
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I can think of quite a few.
DataStream
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'murricans?
That's two words, but suuuuure...
Patriots who aren't fooled by things like "facts".
Fuck even going that far.
You think that a Black man would be able to even try to throw his hat in the pile if he wasn't a us citizen? We're talking about a conspiracy that would have to go back to this guys birth going all the way from the top ends of federal and various state governments. Even talking about that in public would have been enough call for plenty of people to find evidence he's not American.
Even suggesting it, with how politicians are scrutinized, is akin to insanity. Trying to put Mitt's tax returns in the same pile as Obama's birth certificate is intellectual dishonesty.
spiderman123
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I've seen polls and numbers thrown around everyday. "A large amount of Americans believe...," "2/5 Americans are..." etc etc. I'm beginning to think that polls are the source of all America's problems.
nhlducks35
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Patriots?
smokeandmirrors
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How else will we know how we're supposed to stand on issues!?!1
3/5 Americans agree with my post.
Thunder Monkey
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I was trying to be nice after giving in to anger.
Aw, don't disparage them much. They were pissy because they obviously can't leave their homes without a doctor's supervision.
There is zero need to be nice in a discussion that begins with "Mitt should have the same respect in dealing with his refusal to show his tax returns as Obama had for showing his birth certificate, because they're totally the same thing."
Mgoblue201
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He may be an ideologue, but he is not a "culture warrior", as Gary Whitta said, or even much of a demagogue. If a Romney/Ryan ticket is defeated, then there is a good chance that he will be completely discredited, especially if voters reject him and his ideas. In other words, he will have lost his standing as a politician who can set the agenda of the Republican party. This scenario isn't guaranteed, but there is more of a chance than you are giving it credit for.
Thunder Monkey
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Definitely can't argue with that.
Daydream Sequence
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Fox News viewers
Gary Whitta
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Phoenician_Viking
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Congratulation Obama you have just won a second term. Huzzah.
Obama won the second term on May 2, 2011.
DataStream
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Rentahamster
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Perhaps, but I figure most Americans would prefer stuffing their face with fast food rather than voting, lol.
Daydream Sequence
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That already happened when the Republican party paraded around their latest batch of loonies in the primaries. Any party that celebrates Palin and Bachmann deserves all the crap they get.
Ryan Gosling 2012!
...right??
I don't know why you are so mean to me, a guy can't even donate to a campaign and not be angry even if they don't win.
Thunder Monkey
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I should kick you damn head in for fucking with me!
Hold me back guys!
*invisible person holding me back*
You got greedy. You had us fooled, but you slipped up, came out a little too strong with that last post and the jig is up.
Gary Whitta
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He had a good run! 
Gary Whitta
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According to Politico it is legit. Click through and it takes you to Romney's main campaign site with the same URL.
SouthernDragon
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I'll answer you honestly and earnestly, but I also hope you take the advice at the end honestly and earnestly.
The controversy over Obama's birth was largely an unsubstantiated distraction. Of course he was born in the U.S. and was a citizen, he had to go through a thorough vetting process. He released his long-form birth certificate early and still the clamor did not go away, suggesting that the certificate was not the actual problem. No other candidate was questioned over their birth place, including McCain who was born in Panama (on an American base and thus, soil).
The controversy over Romney's tax returns is largely legitimate. While we do not know (or find it likely) that he paid 0% over 10 years, we do know he pulls all sorts of shenanigans to lower his tax rate to ridiculous levels. This is key knowledge, because business, tax rates, and fairness are huge talking points for him and his party. The public really does deserve to know how his taxes have affected him. Is he paying too much, or too little? What is too much or too little, in the Romney context? Is he paying his fair share?
Romney, however, refuses to release 10 years of tax releases (a standard his own father set) because the political fallout is worse if he does release them. This sets up a legitimate question: What is so bad in his taxes that he'd rather be harassed for the next 3 months instead of reveal his taxes?
Releasing those tax returns can help illuminate the actual impact and merit of key Republican talking points, and is also an expected and standard release made by Presidential candidates. Releasing a birth certificate answered no key questions, was not about policy in any way, and was not a standard practice.
Here's the advice:
PoliGAF has pretty high expectations for argumentation. You better have solid reasoning, citations, and/or numbers to back up your thinking. Just asserting something you believe isn't enough.
Gary Whitta
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Maybe we should just have a rule where birthers are instantly flagged as trolls.
Phoenician_Viking
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For those who say that VP don´t matter, think of how Palin lost the election for Mccain.
I thought that was already the standard.
I won't stand here and listen to you slander that beautiful woman.
Gary Whitta
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That was a total outlier though, I don't know if there's ever been a VP disaster that bad. McGovern/Eagleton maybe but he was quickly replaced. There almost certainly never will be again. Palin re-wrote the rule book on vetting.
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