Mitt Romney announces Paul Ryan as running mate

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You just described Obama too.

Describe how Obama is an ideologue? One of the biggest criticisms of him from the left is that he's been too willing to reach across the aisle to a party that won't help him. And putting pragmatism over ideology in order to make concessions people of his party don't want to necessarily make.
 
I'm a liberal ideologue.

Obama is Reagan with more of a focus on the poor.

He certainly shares many qualities of Reagan, but I wouldn't necessarily say the two are analogous in terms of their policy stances. But no, Obama is not the pinko lefty socialist that some paint him at. He's too much of a centrist for my tastes, but that's where we are as a country.
 
Well if nothing else this will get the media off Romney's ass about tax returns for the coming week, then hopefully they will be right back on it. You just KNOW there is some shady-ass shit there, I hope it comes to light. October surprise?
 
He certainly shares many qualities of Reagan, but I wouldn't necessarily say the two are analogous in terms of their policy stances. But no, Obama is not the pinko lefty socialist that some paint him at. He's too much of a centrist for my tastes, but that's where we are as a country.

Socialist is a no no word.
 
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Pure gold.
 
Well if nothing else this will get the media off Romney's ass about tax returns for the coming week, then hopefully they will be right back on it. You just KNOW there is some shady-ass shit there, I hope it comes to light. October surprise?

The thing is, he's better off now just not reporting them, especially if there's something terrible in there. Unless more "Republican sources" come forward saying he hasn't paid taxes in the past 10 years, he has no reason to.

It's a lose-lose situation that he's backed himself into.
 
He certainly shares many qualities of Reagan, but I wouldn't necessarily say the two are analogous in terms of their policy stances. But no, Obama is not the pinko lefty socialist that some paint him at. He's too much of a centrist for my tastes, but that's where we are as a country.
I can't even call him a centrist. He's behind the largest cuts in government spending we've seen in more than a generation. At a time spending should have been increasing to make up for poor economic realities.
 
Well if nothing else this will get the media off Romney's ass about tax returns for the coming week, then hopefully they will be right back on it. You just KNOW there is some shady-ass shit there, I hope it comes to light. October surprise?

It took Obama a long time to deal with that birth certificate thing, Romney has plenty of time also to deal with that.
 
The thing is, he's better off now just not reporting them, especially if there's something terrible in there. Unless more "Republican sources" come forward saying he hasn't paid taxes in the past 10 years, he has no reason to.

It's a lose-lose situation that he's backed himself into.
Well sure, the only reason for Romney to keep taking all these body blows and allowing the tax thing to dominate the narrative is if he knows the reality of his tax returns is even worse than the speculation. Harry Reid went way out on a limb with his allegations, if Mitt actually has ten years of legit tax returns he could destroy him politically by releasing them, something I'm sure the GOP would love. So why not do it? They must stink to high heaven.
 
I can't even call him a centrist. He's behind the largest cuts in government spending we've seen in more than a generation. At a time spending should have been increasing to make up for poor economic realities.

I would chalk that up to an unmoving and vast Republican majority, unfortunately. Again, he's a pragmatist and center-left. Right of center? Nah. Not nearly as left as I'd prefer? Hell yeah.
 
Sorry, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but anyone who plays the birth certificate card doesn't deserve to be taken seriously, in my book.

Unless he's a troll, in which case bravo, you played me like a fiddle.
 
One rumor I heard about Romney is that he took part in the Swiss ban account amnesty that they offered. Would be huge if true.
 
yeah, this won't be the least of CFA analogies to come. still, there's some libertarian/independents this might pick up...given that rubio prolly wouldn't have done much better (you could argue he'dve pushed FL in their direction though) i can see why they made this call.

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Pure gold.

man, seeing Biden = Mike though...just nah
 
So tell me how the birth certificate and tax return controversies are any different?

One was dealt with less than a year after he started his campaign.

Or at least dealt with when talking about people not hating on the man for his race.

Do you really think Hilary Clinton would have let it slide? How about McCain?
 
Even the many Romney tax avoidance schemes that are public are pretty brazen, I can't even imagine how bad the ones he has under the table must be.
 
They would have had the man deported the instant they smelled something fishy.

Simply put.

Still hanging onto that? Screams of pure old fashioned white guy racism to me.
 
One was dealt with less than a year after he started his campaign.

Or at least dealt with when talking about people not hating on the man for his race.

Do you really think Hilary Clinton would have let it slide? How about McCain?

I would rather have a post like that instead of plenty of you guys throwing out " idiot " and " troll ".

Yes this is the internet but show some damn respect to other people and try to have a decent conversation instead of turning it into a crapfest.
 
So tell me how the birth certificate and tax return controversies are any different?

You guys need to take a chill pill, you guys have too much anger built up it seems.

People aren't claiming Mitt is doing anything illegal on his taxes, they just believe they will illustrate the insane tax breaks the wealth get via loopholes, etc. Its also a expected thing for candidates to present their tax returns.

If you can't see the difference between that and claiming someone has forged their birth certificate in order to illegally insert themselves into the presidential election then you have some real problems objectively viewing things.
 
I would rather have a post like that instead of plenty of you guys throwing out " idiot " and " troll ".

Yes this is the internet but show some damn respect to other people and try to have a decent conversation instead of turning it into a crapfest.

You came in to a political thread.

You didn't claim that you didn't know or to be educated, you came in spouting bullshit, and you're surprised people took umbrage with it?
 
People aren't claiming Mitt is doing anything illegal on his taxes, they just believe they will illustrate the insane tax breaks the wealth get via loopholes, etc. Its also a expected thing for candidates to present their tax returns.

If you can't see the difference between that and claiming someone has forged their birth certificate in order to illegally insert themselves into the presidential election then you have some real problems objectively viewing things.

It's the meaning of having something looming over a politician that people won't drop is the point I am trying to make, Obama had time to deal with his part and Romney should be given the same.
 
I would rather have a post like that instead of plenty of you guys throwing out " idiot " and " troll ".

Yes this is the internet but show some damn respect to other people and try to have a decent conversation instead of turning it into a crapfest.

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I would rather have a post like that instead of plenty of you guys throwing out " idiot " and " troll ".

Yes this is the internet but show some damn respect to other people and try to have a decent conversation instead of turning it into a crapfest.

The conservative persecution complex is a truly amazing thing.
 
Well sure, the only reason for Romney to keep taking all these body blows and allowing the tax thing to dominate the narrative is if he knows the reality of his tax returns is even worse than the speculation. Harry Reid went way out on a limb with his allegations, if Mitt actually has ten years of legit tax returns he could destroy him politically by releasing them, something I'm sure the GOP would love. So why not do it? They must stink to high heaven.

I'm inclined towards the theory that he took advantage of the 2009 amnesty program to repatriate off-shore funds. It would be absolutely devastating to his campaign if it got out that he was illegally using off-shore tax havens.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox..._amnesty_what_he_doesn_t_want_us_to_see_.html
 
It's the meaning of having something looming over a politician that people won't drop is the point I am trying to make, Obama had time to deal with his part and Romney should be given the same.

The point is that Obama didn't have anything to deal with, it was all FUD meant to play into xenophonbia.
 
Ryan's fairly interesting as a GOP figure these days as he is more of a policy wonk than a culture-warrior ideologue and if bringing him into the picture makes this campaign a more substantive discussion about the economy than all the negative attack bullshit that has defined it so far then I welcome it - especially since I think the majority of Americans will find Ryan's policy ideas terrifying once the light of a Presidential campaign is shone on them. Honestly I think it could wind up backfiring on Romney in more ways than one because Ryan is probably more of an intellectual heavyweight than Romney is, and whether you agree with him or not he seems to actually stand for something unlike Romney who seems to be driven by nothing other than personal ambition.

I'll give Ryan that. He's got balls the size of Krypton. I don't think anybody disagrees with the fact social security, medicare/medicaid and defense spending makes up the majority of our government spending. I do respect that he has the balls to even suggest making cuts to some of these programs. Where I fundamentally disagree is that defense spending is seen as a sacred cow. You can't make cuts to social security and medicare and not defense without looking like a douchebag. I'm sorry. I want to be able to retire one day and I want old people now living on social security to get health care more than I want another nuclear submarine, aircraft carrier or fleets of tanks or jets. Newsflash, the cold war was over 20 plus years ago. We don't have to worry about the Russians invading western Europe anymore.
 
It's the meaning of having something looming over a politician that people won't drop is the point I am trying to make, Obama had time to deal with his part and Romney should be given the same.

The difference is that Obama had released his birth certificate. Back in 2008.

Romney refuses to release his tax returns from before 2010. And the tax returns he has released have had some pretty shady shit in there. Not illegal, but something that a candidate for president of the United States probably shouldn't be doing.

The birth certificate controversy is nothing more than racism. If he really wasn't born in this country, you'd think he would be president? You don't think Hillary Clinton or John McCain would've looked into that?
 
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