...those are both factual statements.
Mitt Romney announces Paul Ryan as running mate
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...those are both factual statements.
Describe how Obama is an ideologue? One of the biggest criticisms of him from the left is that he's been too willing to reach across the aisle to a party that won't help him. And putting pragmatism over ideology in order to make concessions people of his party don't want to necessarily make.
Even that is giving him too much credit.
Thunder Monkey
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If you're going to keep spouting stupid shit like that you probably should.
Obama is the Republican Romney use to be.
If you don't want me to be condescending, then stop making statements presented as facts that are false.
Thunder Monkey
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You'll get at least a dozen more taking that stance.
He certainly shares many qualities of Reagan, but I wouldn't necessarily say the two are analogous in terms of their policy stances. But no, Obama is not the pinko lefty socialist that some paint him at. He's too much of a centrist for my tastes, but that's where we are as a country.
You're confusing condescension with you making outlandish and baseless comments.
Yeah you are right, just nine more to go.
Count me as three.
Gary Whitta
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Well if nothing else this will get the media off Romney's ass about tax returns for the coming week, then hopefully they will be right back on it. You just KNOW there is some shady-ass shit there, I hope it comes to light. October surprise?
spiderman123
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Socialist is a no no word.
NullPointer
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Pure gold.
The thing is, he's better off now just not reporting them, especially if there's something terrible in there. Unless more "Republican sources" come forward saying he hasn't paid taxes in the past 10 years, he has no reason to.
It's a lose-lose situation that he's backed himself into.
Thunder Monkey
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I can't even call him a centrist. He's behind the largest cuts in government spending we've seen in more than a generation. At a time spending should have been increasing to make up for poor economic realities.
It took Obama a long time to deal with that birth certificate thing, Romney has plenty of time also to deal with that.
Wow talk about hostile!
Gary Whitta
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Well sure, the only reason for Romney to keep taking all these body blows and allowing the tax thing to dominate the narrative is if he knows the reality of his tax returns is even worse than the speculation. Harry Reid went way out on a limb with his allegations, if Mitt actually has ten years of legit tax returns he could destroy him politically by releasing them, something I'm sure the GOP would love. So why not do it? They must stink to high heaven.
Thunder Monkey
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You're going to end up on the shit list of people much less kind than me spouting this crap man.
spiderman123
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I would chalk that up to an unmoving and vast Republican majority, unfortunately. Again, he's a pragmatist and center-left. Right of center? Nah. Not nearly as left as I'd prefer? Hell yeah.
Thunder Monkey
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He's Bananas....btw don't let Thunder Monkey see you
Sorry.
Haven't even noticed.
Someone named themselves Awesome and they are not living up to it.
I can accept that.
So tell me how the birth certificate and tax return controversies are any different?
You guys need to take a chill pill, you guys have too much anger built up it seems.
spiderman123
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Man, you gotta be trolling. Yo gotta be. I swear to god. Please say you are and let me have a "lol". No way is this a legitimate question.
IrishNinja
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yeah, this won't be the least of CFA analogies to come. still, there's some libertarian/independents this might pick up...given that rubio prolly wouldn't have done much better (you could argue he'dve pushed FL in their direction though) i can see why they made this call.
man, seeing Biden = Mike though...just nah
Pure gold.
man, seeing Biden = Mike though...just nah
Thunder Monkey
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One was dealt with less than a year after he started his campaign.
Or at least dealt with when talking about people not hating on the man for his race.
Do you really think Hilary Clinton would have let it slide? How about McCain?
Gary Whitta
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Even the many Romney tax avoidance schemes that are public are pretty brazen, I can't even imagine how bad the ones he has under the table must be.
Thunder Monkey
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They would have had the man deported the instant they smelled something fishy.
Simply put.
Still hanging onto that? Screams of pure old fashioned white guy racism to me.
Simply put.
Still hanging onto that? Screams of pure old fashioned white guy racism to me.
Nice trolling, you managed to fool a lot of people.
NullPointer
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spiderman123
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Well atleast it isn't tax evasion.
Fuck.
MightyKAC
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Jeez, how many troll accounts can one thread have.
I would rather have a post like that instead of plenty of you guys throwing out " idiot " and " troll ".
Yes this is the internet but show some damn respect to other people and try to have a decent conversation instead of turning it into a crapfest.
DataStream
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People aren't claiming Mitt is doing anything illegal on his taxes, they just believe they will illustrate the insane tax breaks the wealth get via loopholes, etc. Its also a expected thing for candidates to present their tax returns.
If you can't see the difference between that and claiming someone has forged their birth certificate in order to illegally insert themselves into the presidential election then you have some real problems objectively viewing things.
Thunder Monkey
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God I hope so.
I'm perfectly willing to look a fool (do it all the time on my own anyway) if it means he's not a complete and utter fuckwit.
You came in to a political thread.
You didn't claim that you didn't know or to be educated, you came in spouting bullshit, and you're surprised people took umbrage with it?
It's the meaning of having something looming over a politician that people won't drop is the point I am trying to make, Obama had time to deal with his part and Romney should be given the same.
The conservative persecution complex is a truly amazing thing.
I'm inclined towards the theory that he took advantage of the 2009 amnesty program to repatriate off-shore funds. It would be absolutely devastating to his campaign if it got out that he was illegally using off-shore tax havens.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox..._amnesty_what_he_doesn_t_want_us_to_see_.html
DataStream
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The point is that Obama didn't have anything to deal with, it was all FUD meant to play into xenophonbia.
GillianSeed79
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I'll give Ryan that. He's got balls the size of Krypton. I don't think anybody disagrees with the fact social security, medicare/medicaid and defense spending makes up the majority of our government spending. I do respect that he has the balls to even suggest making cuts to some of these programs. Where I fundamentally disagree is that defense spending is seen as a sacred cow. You can't make cuts to social security and medicare and not defense without looking like a douchebag. I'm sorry. I want to be able to retire one day and I want old people now living on social security to get health care more than I want another nuclear submarine, aircraft carrier or fleets of tanks or jets. Newsflash, the cold war was over 20 plus years ago. We don't have to worry about the Russians invading western Europe anymore.
The difference is that Obama had released his birth certificate. Back in 2008.
Romney refuses to release his tax returns from before 2010. And the tax returns he has released have had some pretty shady shit in there. Not illegal, but something that a candidate for president of the United States probably shouldn't be doing.
The birth certificate controversy is nothing more than racism. If he really wasn't born in this country, you'd think he would be president? You don't think Hillary Clinton or John McCain would've looked into that?
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