ElectricBlue187
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He's a libertarian, no?
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Mitt Romney announces Paul Ryan as running mate
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He's a libertarian, no?
IrishNinja
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it absolutely is - but white extremist is a pejorative with strong racial implications.
I was referring to my point that Romney needs the Hispanic vote to get close to winning the election. As to why I called him white. I should have put a coma, but I'm still mad because of romney's out of touch thought process behind picking Ryan, an extremist, who is white, and doesn't gain Hispanic votes.
finalboss2
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Why are they announcing on the last day of the Olympics?
Thunder Monkey
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Aaron Strife
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So obama wins then.
Technosteve
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I feel like this is how bioshock infinite storyline starts.
The timing is very interesting. Is it because Romney wants to work out any kinks he has with Ryan/Ryan has on the national stage while most of the public is still watching the Olympics? Is it because he wants time to respond to any Ryan controversies before the convention? Or just because Romney really wanted to change the story from all the hits he's been taking on taxes and Bain?
BertramCooper
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Romney might as well concede Ohio at this point.
Picking Portman would have given him a significant - but possibly only temporary - boost. Ryan isn't going to do jack shit to help him here.
Picking Portman would have given him a significant - but possibly only temporary - boost. Ryan isn't going to do jack shit to help him here.
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I suspect it's a combination of the latter and to silence grumblings from the right on account of Romney's atrocious campaigning so far. He's been against the ropes in the PR battle for awhile now.
Personally I think it's a hail mary. Maybe not of Palin magnitudes, perhaps, but it reeks of a desperate attempt to energize the right (and concede the independent vote, maybe)
BertramCooper
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In the case of McCain, it got people to not vote for him.
I just saw the slogan "America's Comeback Team", made me lol. I wish this comeback stuff would go away. First Bill Clinton was the "comeback kid" in New Hampshire, then in 2008 Hillary was the "comeback kid" then on the Republican side John McCain was the 70+ year old "comeback kid" and now we have the "comeback team". This political catchphrase needs to die.
BertramCooper
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I wonder if Portman turned him down. Given what I know about him (my sister used to work for him when he was in the House), it wouldn't surprise me. He's a smart dude and probably wouldn't attach himself to this clusterfuck of a campaign.
And Florida as well because of not picking Rubio as well.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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See I was thinking Rubio, as he's likable, from Flordia which Romney needs, and Hispanic whichs helps overall. Paul Ryan doesn't even pull in Catholics, which is what Ryan claims to be!
Signed.
Honestly I couldn't believe Romney picked Ryan but it is actually a decent move.
The 3 critical demographics I thought Romney was weak in were women, tea party members, and hispanics.
Ryan does jack squat for women and hispanics but he is sufficient in galvanizing the Tea Party faction in a way few others could.
Azure Dream
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Interesting you'd pick Infinite, since we're discussing an Ayn Rand-obsessed Ryan.
Lol, not at all bulbo, don't kid yourself if you think Romney has a chance with Ryan.
Maybe Romney got confused with Ryan instead of Rand Paul.
BertramCooper
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He's been down consistently 4-6% here, even with the deluge of negative ads. That's still a close enough margin that he could pick it up on election night, but it's certainly shouldn't inspire a whole lot of hope with Republicans. Florida appears to be much closer.
Perhaps he thinks he can win without us. Good luck with that, dude.
Portman's appeal was regional, at best. He's popular around Cincy, but nowhere else. Half of Ohio doesn't know who he is or has no opinion on him.
His personal story isn't that compelling (nor are his speeches) either.
BertramCooper
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True, but he has a long history of winning by huge margins. Granted, beating Lee Fisher for Senate isn't much to brag about, but once people do get to know him, they like him. A lot.
He's a very down-to-earth dude. And I think given the current political climate, he could have done a lot to help Romney. But whatevs. I'm not complaining.
Funky Papa
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Sometimes you need to burn everything to the ground for purely hygienic reasons. As an external observer, I see two possibilities:
Romney wins: There's no doubt in my mind that he would drive America to the gutter. Pushing austerity, privatizations and pro-corporation laws in a country that's still trembling would push the nation off the cliff. I've seen this in Europe. The disaster could be monumental. But maybe, maybe, after much suffering a wiser America could being anew.
Romney loses: What now? I imagine that the GOP would be forced to either alienate the most radical members of the party and rebuilt itself or collapse under the weight of the crazies. Immobilism is bleeding them out and the demographic trends look mercilessly against them, which should prompt serious dissent. I can even see some splinter parties in the horizon.
Soo... what does Ameri-GAF thinks? How wrong am I?
Romney wins: There's no doubt in my mind that he would drive America to the gutter. Pushing austerity, privatizations and pro-corporation laws in a country that's still trembling would push the nation off the cliff. I've seen this in Europe. The disaster could be monumental. But maybe, maybe, after much suffering a wiser America could being anew.
Romney loses: What now? I imagine that the GOP would be forced to either alienate the most radical members of the party and rebuilt itself or collapse under the weight of the crazies. Immobilism is bleeding them out and the demographic trends look mercilessly against them, which should prompt serious dissent. I can even see some splinter parties in the horizon.
Soo... what does Ameri-GAF thinks? How wrong am I?
Tea party was gonna tea party regardless. Seniors all over America, particularly those in Florida, are going to spontaneously combust with Ryan as the VP pick. Not to mention the poor and young people who might be feeling a little down on Obama at the moment now will have something else far far worse.
I hope for the republicans sake that they've gerrymander'd the fuck out of their states and have put in measures to stymie the poor and young vote (certainly trying their hardest in Ohio at least).
I feel really terribly for Romney this campaign season.
If he had won the primary in 2008 he'd have a much better chance because he could actually run on his greatest legislative achievement. He wouldn't have to deal with Tea Party nuts who are pushing the third worst VP pick of all time on him and he would be able to put forward the narrative of experienced business man fixing what's wrong much more effectively because the economy would be just starting to collapse.
Poor Mittens.
If Romney wins there will be a few measures taken that resemble Austerity, but there is no way in hell Ryan's budget would pass and I don't think they'd repeal the ACA either.
If he had won the primary in 2008 he'd have a much better chance because he could actually run on his greatest legislative achievement. He wouldn't have to deal with Tea Party nuts who are pushing the third worst VP pick of all time on him and he would be able to put forward the narrative of experienced business man fixing what's wrong much more effectively because the economy would be just starting to collapse.
Poor Mittens.
If Romney wins there will be a few measures taken that resemble Austerity, but there is no way in hell Ryan's budget would pass and I don't think they'd repeal the ACA either.
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I feel really terribly for Romney this campaign season.
If he had won the primary in 2008 he'd have a much better chance because he could actually run on his greatest legislative achievement. He wouldn't have to deal with Tea Party nuts who are pushing the third worst VP pick of all time on him and he would be able to put forward the narrative of experienced business man fixing what's wrong much more effectively because the economy would be just starting to collapse.
Poor Mittens.
I don't pity him. Just another (conservative) moderate selling his soul and turning his back on a career of compromise to kiss the Tea Party's ass.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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You guys are sleeping on Ryan. Have you ever heard him talk? He's young. He's energetic. He's upbeat. He's intelligent. He's a wonk. He'll energize the voters. You may think I'm crazy, but you'll see.
If Romney loses the GOP will finally have to confront the crossroads they've been standing at for years now. Shed their radical base and become a modern political party with a realistic governing philosophy or double down on the crazy even as democratic leaning voting populations grow and the republican base grows older and crazier.
BertramCooper
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He's preaching to the conservative choir.
He'll do little to sway undecideds towards Mittens.
The thing I simply do not understand about the republican budget plan is that it that they say it is supposed to address the deficit but then it contains all these tax cuts that practically eliminate any gains from the spending cuts. It seems more like they just want to cut programs they don't like and don't really give a shit about the budget deficit. They fact that that wont cut defense spending and actually want to increase it makes it really hard to take them seriously.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I'm not so sure about that - especially in the midwest. We'll have to see.
Either way, Romney put all his chips in on this pick. Not a safe pick at all.
What voter will he energize that isn't already up in arms about Obama?
I don't think he has a choice in today's Republican party. They are totally committed to the insanity of the Tea Party and are going to ride that flaming train right off the cliff.
Ohio, and Michigan do not like Ryan. Michigan has the double fact that we are mad at synder for all the laws he passed that is hurting our state
I agree 100% that it was not a safe pick, however this isn't a business and even if it was it'd be like betting against the Internet when it was first invented.
Nate Silver's numbers have this as a really bad pick. TBH the only reason Ryan's ratings are as "good" as they are is that hardly anyone in this country actually knows or cares what is in his budget. That is going to change now that he is the most talked about man in the country for the next week. He could end up being a net negative in his home state.
And his medicare plans are a poison pill for Romeny's campaign with older Americans.
It's probably going to be the same cycle as Palin. Romeny's numbers will go up when people hear that he's picked a young, radical VP with ideas as big as any.
Then his numbers will go down when they hear him talk.
Pft, it's not like Older American's even vote.
OH WAIT FUCK
The poor don't have Ryan on their radar. Some of the young may get sucked into his BS if he looks like Ron Paul-lite. The rest of the educated young will hate his guts. I suspect the young poor will be even more unaware of Ryan than the adult poor.
I've been thinking about this and I'm now convinced that this is a sign that Romney has lost faith in his own team (which makes sense after their many gaffes... maybe Saul was the last straw) and is now giving his campaign to the Republican establishment, who are using this pick to pull a mulligan in the primary. It also gives them a chance to give visibility to their golden boy Ryan who would have never been able to survive a primary process to become the nominee in the first place.
Guessing if he wins it'd be a puppet presidency a la Bush and Cheney, where Ryan is pulling most of the strings.
Guessing if he wins it'd be a puppet presidency a la Bush and Cheney, where Ryan is pulling most of the strings.
On a similar note, Ohio elected a Republican Governor in 2010 that has managed to piss of the state's teachers, police and firefighters.
Basically. The GOP has become obsessed with starving the Federal government by any means necessary, and the quickest means to that is through massive tax cuts and equally massive cuts in non-discretionary spending.
Subliminal
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which makes perfect sense because I've been reading that Ryan is a reptilian.
Except in 2008 Obama wasn't dragging the other side through the mud. They didn't even have anything on Palin until she started talking. There's going to be ads saying Ryan wants to kill Medicare starting Monday.
That's true, no one knew who Palin even was so the attack ads started slow.
Oh and Super-PACs are going to be slavering over Ryan.
I'm extremely excited to see Biden debate with him actually... this is the first VP debate I've been looking forward too in... ever.
The far right despises Obama, so much so that they'd vote for fucking Hitler if he was running against him this November - so why continue pandering to them?
The primary is over, and I like to think that Romney won it because the silent majority of republicans aren't batshit insane - they want a moderate candidate. And yet here comes the general election and instead of moderating his views, he's doubling down on batshit insane.
The primary is over, and I like to think that Romney won it because the silent majority of republicans aren't batshit insane - they want a moderate candidate. And yet here comes the general election and instead of moderating his views, he's doubling down on batshit insane.
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