The problem isn't that it doesn't have any academic integrity but that the application of it is limited in scope and the politicians that promote it either don't acknowledge the limitations or promote the limitations as a feature. You can encourage the rich to spend the additional money they now have due to tax cuts but you can't force them to spend at all, you can't force them where to spend, and you can't force them to spend in a way that promote growth in the middle and poor classes. It's a "you can't push on a string" type policy, so making it a "go to" economic policy at a federal level is inadequate at best or nonsensical at worst.
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Mitt Romney announces Paul Ryan as running mate
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The problem isn't that it doesn't have any academic integrity but that the application of it is limited in scope and the politicians that promote it either don't acknowledge the limitations or promote the limitations as a feature. You can encourage the rich to spend the additional money they now have due to tax cuts but you can't force them to spend at all, you can't force them where to spend, and you can't force them to spend in a way that promote growth in the middle and poor classes. It's a "you can't push on a string" type policy, so making it a "go to" economic policy at a federal level is inadequate at best or nonsensical at worst.
I had a delayed reaction, then I couldn't breathe for about a minute. Dying over here.
Snowden's Secret
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Florida is definitely blue, the accepted view is that Romney's only chance in Florida was Rubio.
GhaleonQ
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Ah, I was thinking he was a lefty libertarian. Much appreciated!
Ryan was the worst possible VP for Romney in Florida. Now Obama can hammer him even worse, thanks to Ryan's views on Medicare. Add in that with Rick Scott being the most disliked governor ever, and Florida's looking very likely to go blue.
Recent polls have all had Obama up too.
The seniors in Florida are being gripped by fear as they hear the ominous blaring of "Oh Fortuna" in their heads after the announcement of the Romney Ryan ticket.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Well I think that that's where he falls on the political ideology scale, from what I recall; MMT is more a means to that end.
Depends what you mean by "America failed." Even in the most failed of failed states, there are oligarchs who have a lot and do quite well, and America's not going to be the Central African Republic any time soon. If 90% of America is working at subsistence wages while extremely rich people reap the rewards, well, that's a well-known government model -- it's called feudalism. It was doing pretty well* until the middle class emerged and screwed it up. If they can put that genie back in the bottle, who knows how long they can hold on?
Public Policy Polling tweeted just now: the Ryan Plan has -16 approval rating in Florida and -23 in North Carolina.
Bernstein from the WaPo:
postpartisan said:
That's right -- he has less debate experience than Sarah Palin.
* That is, it was doing pretty well for anybody named Habsburg, Capet or Plantagenet.
Not to mention Social Security. Ryan's plan in 2005 to privatize it was so toxic the Bush administration rejected it.
Snowden's Secret
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I have One Winged Angel playing in another window, so I started cracking up visualizing this hahaha.
Where's a laughing emoticon when I need one?
Romney is not going to win Wisconsin.
Also, he can likely kiss his chances in Florida goodbye since he's going to spend the next three months defending the fact that his running mate wanted to privatize social security and turn medicare into a voucher program.
Souldriver
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Thanks to MSNBC I now know that Ryan is a P90X buff. This is crucial and valuable information, on which I will base my vote.
metalslimer
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Question is will Obama be able to capitalize on this or will the cries of DEATH PANELS drown them out. I think Obama has a much better shot at Florida but i think it will come down to the wire. Not like this is some 2000 level election because Obama has Ohio and a bunch of other states that could easily put him over the edge without Florida. I just want to see Mitt lose in one of the biggest implosions ever to send a large message to Republicans that tea time is over.
I don't think it's definite- not with the possibility of shenanigans.
I also don't think NC polls the rural areas too well, so I think that's going to Romney.
FL is definitely more in play than NC.
As for Ryan, I think in terms of boosting his base, it's a good pick, and this election is us vs them more than any election since the Civil War era, so it's all about boosting your own vote and depressing the other guy's vote. The key for Obama these next three months is not to screw up- I think he wins if no disasters happen.
His dad and his grandfather both died of a heart attack at a young age. Why is his fitness being played up at all?
It is consistent with his general disregard of scientific evidence.
BertramCooper
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I just cannot fathom Romney's reasoning behind this.
This pick gets him almost nothing. Potentially worse than nothing.
This pick gets him almost nothing. Potentially worse than nothing.
Uh... P90x works.
Yep. Obama can win without Florida, but Romney has NO realistic path to 270 without it. Romney could win Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, Virginia, and North Carolina and still lose the election because he didn't take Florida. Democrats should not be complacent just yet, but Romney has a very, very difficult path to 270 ahead of him.
His big money donors are happy. That's all that really matters to him.
BertramCooper
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I would think his big money donors would be happier with a pick that would actually help him win Florida and Ohio.
outunderthestars
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Not really. Ryan has a very conservative district that does not represent the demographics of the state as a whole. He isn't overly popular within his own state.
My comment was more tongue and cheek. I agree this pick is terrible. I live in Wisconsin and don't care for Ryan.
In all honesty, Mitt typically comes off as a pretty risk-averse guy. For months inside chatter led everyone to believe it was going to be a harmless guy like Portman or Pawlenty. My guess is that Romney's handlers had more say in this decision than Romney himself did.
outunderthestars
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Yea, I am not seeing many paths to 270 for Romney after this.
Ryan has voted against Pell Grant funding, emergency unemployment extensions, healthier/reduced lunches for poor children, and for his scary budget.
I don't see how he adds much to a ticket during a massive recession.
Rentahamster
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Obama campaign has an ad up already. That was fast. I wonder how many ads they pre-made in anticipation of this announcement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWyk-Mr6cfc
I'd be interested in seeing what their Romney/Jindal ad looks like, or the Romney/Rubio one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWyk-Mr6cfc
I'd be interested in seeing what their Romney/Jindal ad looks like, or the Romney/Rubio one.
Exercise works.
But the theory behind why P90X is the way to exercise is based on pseudo-science.
AstroNut325
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I knew it was never going to happen but I was still hoping for Gingrich as VP. That way there is at least one politician in Washington that is a space/NASA fanboy.
Daydream Sequence
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LOL this sealed Florida for Obama. What a moronic choice. But then again, it's not exactly a party of geniuses either. Mitt introducing Ryan as "The next president of the United States" was hilarious. Apparently Palin doesn't have a patent on stupid.
"Oh sfortuna" is italian for "how unfortunate basically.
I'm still laughing so hard at the "welcome the next president of the united states of america paul ryan" :lol romney is gonna lose hard.
outunderthestars
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Boom. Now they just need to add a blurb about him voting against funding reduced school lunch programs for children.
Are you referring to the plateau effect?
Michigan and Pennsylvania were never going to be swing states. That was mostly just the media trying to create as many swing states as they could in order to make the election seem as wide open as possible.
Who even cares about the theory when doing P90X? You lift weights, you do pushups, you do pullups while being instructed step-by-step by some tanned dude. It couldn't be simpler, and it works just fine.
I know, I was basically saying if Obama wins Florida, Romney's done.
I feel you.<3
Smashing Drive
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Paul Ryan seems like the type of guy when he hears that there are too many people on food stamps his solution is to get rid of the food stamps.
BertramCooper
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I actually think this was mostly Mittens. It tells me that he's still paranoid about the GOP base, which seems really silly at this point in the game.
TacticalFox88
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And this is why I keep saying that a Romney victory is flat out extremely, unlikely.
At this point the only thing that we should be concerned about is congressional elections.
As a Floridian, the recent polling mixed with the Ryan VP announcement has me believing that Florida is going to go blue. Yes, the economy is still bad here, but it's getting better and Rick Scott is horribly unpopular.
Close. Actually, Ryan is the kind of guy who when he hears that food stamps exist his solution is to get rid of the food stamps. In the current economy it's more or less interchangeable.
That's the entire republican party.
metalslimer
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Which actually favor the dems with Ryan on the ticket at least if Ryan is actually negative for the Romney camapaign. What are the chance they actually take back the house anyway?
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