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Dota 2 Beta Thread 2: Real Talk Discouraged [Magnus, Teams, 6.75b, 150+ Shop Items]
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SaberVulcan
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34 updates already for 6.75, and its not planned for release till post-TI makes me really happy. Im hoping this patch is one of the biggest in DotA history in terms of balance, but at the same time I hope some current staples arent just nerfed to oblivion.
Shackleshot is probably the most obscenely overpowered stun in the game, and you think that Valve is 'rocking the boat' by nerfing it slightly? Sheesh.
seems like icefrog nerfs are always slight (am BAT nerf last time), but some buffs can have a huge impact and send some heroes up to comp. (i.e. morph buffs last time).
sure if both stand in melee and go at it slar will win. but mirana will kite his ass and crush that obese tuna
sure if both stand in melee and go at it slar will win. but mirana will kite his ass and crush that obese tuna
* Lycan strength gain from 2.75 to 2.4
- Undid Lycan 1 armor reduction
* Lycan's Shapeshift form no longer gives 2 bonus armor
* Phantom Lancer agility gain from 2.8 to 3.4
plz be true
Yeah you're right, it is a pretty slight nerf now that I think about it. Landing it right is still gonna hurt like crazy just like before.
Did they end up buffing/changing every single one of Nyx's abilities?
Also, while only one ability from the new hero Frost Wyrm has been leaked, it sounds really impressive. Really great for setting up ganks.
Singsing is gonna love getting MoM on this guy.
Also, while only one ability from the new hero Frost Wyrm has been leaked, it sounds really impressive. Really great for setting up ganks.
Singsing is gonna love getting MoM on this guy.
This is going to be really helpful for getting the supports caught up in long games.
sorijealut
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Alchemist buff if true.
• Acid Spray manacost from 160 to 115/130/145/160
• Unstable Concoction max damage from 130/200/270/340 to 150/220/290/360
• You can now target yourself with Unstable Concoction
• Goblin's Greed bonus scaling adjusted from 2/4/6/8 + 2 to 4/6/8/10 + 1/2/3/4
• Enemies can no longer see the countdown numbers for Chemical Rage (wait, aren't numbers for the stun?)
Is this Dragonus?
• Concussive Shot cooldown from 20/19/18/17 to 20/18/16/14
• Concussive Shot aoe from 200 to 225
• Acid Spray manacost from 160 to 115/130/145/160
• Unstable Concoction max damage from 130/200/270/340 to 150/220/290/360
• You can now target yourself with Unstable Concoction
• Goblin's Greed bonus scaling adjusted from 2/4/6/8 + 2 to 4/6/8/10 + 1/2/3/4
• Enemies can no longer see the countdown numbers for Chemical Rage (wait, aren't numbers for the stun?)
Is this Dragonus?
• Concussive Shot cooldown from 20/19/18/17 to 20/18/16/14
• Concussive Shot aoe from 200 to 225
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...wat?
Pai Pai Master
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I love Slardar. Fuck the haters. Are there really Slardar haters?
Schweinehund
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I don't hate him but I get the dumbest teams when I play him in pubs. Always laned solo or with another carry for some reason.
Those nyx changes are already scrapped, look at the pictures in the text dump. Still its interesting to see what heroes icefrog is paying attention to.
Pai Pai Master
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Any invisible hero is still going to be affected by any non-targeted AOE attack or spell, with a few exceptions.
I played with a Bounty Hunter yesterday who was running around in a 3x March of the Machines wave from the enemy Tinker and then started getting mad at him in allchat. D:
SaberVulcan
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Yep, most untargeted AOE spells will hurt invis units, in fact the only ones that don't hurt invis units are:
Death Pulse (Necrolyte)
Starfall (Mirana)
Rocket Barrage (Gyro)
Cant recall anymore.
Valve stealing from Blizzard confirmed.
ice cold milk ice cold
SaberVulcan
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BO1, no reason to concede.
Truely the Michael Jordan of our times.
Procarbine
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Valve has no input on balance changes, these are being done by icefrog and the dota1 devs apart from valve, and will simply be ported like everything else.
Actually I think that was reverted and changed to micro stun of .1 seconds and we didnt hear from it again int he balance notes.
I try to time it when an enemy is near trees anyways so if it does get changed it isn't a huge deal to me.
Though I have used it on occassion to save teammates who are running for dear life (or enemies
).Pai Pai Master
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It currently has a .75s stun if you don't shackle the target to anything else. This is so you can at least interrupt a channeling ability or TP without having to worry about lining up the targets.
The original change per this potential leak indicates that the shackleshot has NO effect if the target isn't shackled to anything - so no .75s stun or channeling interrupt. Looks like that was changed to at least have a .1s microstun so you can at least interrupt channeling still.
If legit I'm totally okay with the original change of NO effect if the shackle isn't successful. It is a very strong ability and nerfing its effect only if you miss it is not a huge change for those who play the skill correctly.
Oh okay, didn't know it worked like that, but I thought icefrog was actually a part of Valve now? And I thought icefrog worked alone (on dota 1), haven't heard of other devs with him.
CarbonatedFalcon
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11.6 MB update today. Any idea on what it is? Don't see patch notes anywhere.
Also, I want this so bad:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=88657080
Also, I want this so bad:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=88657080
He has people do testing and other stuff for him. He cant do that shit by himself.
Well there is your next mythical drop.
finalboss2
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just watched the defense finals. man do mouz need to change who drafts for their team....
...they got in finals with 1437 drafting.
Apart from the Jakiro and Ogre Magi game, I don't think they were clearly outpicked everytime.
Sure they were. They went for aggressive trilane picks against a Prophet every time.
Streaman with lucky_dani, Kogotle, Archie bunker, Frugunchore, and me.
I also play music, so there's that.
I also play music, so there's that.
What were the leaks?
CarbonatedFalcon
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So it swaps places with the Dire ancients basically? It's a pretty drastic change if true. No more secret shot access from the pit, among other considerations.
Pretty much. Looks super fair for both sides. There's a ramp on both sides of the rosh pit heading into the river. Though, the dire ancients placement looks really out of place.
They never changed the map in HoN as far as I can remember. They changed some rules, but never the map.
It looks weird at the moment but yeah it would eliminate the small advantages Dire have for Roshan, as well as removing the kind-of-idiotic Shop access from Roshan.
SaberVulcan
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Hrm.... so, if you teleport to Dire bottom tier 1 tower, are you basically right outside the pit? I mean, I guess its the same as the current Dire middle tier 1 tower.
You said that there are 2 entrances to the Rosh pit now, so is 1 right by the bot-rune, and the other right by the Dire tier 1 tower?
The ancient placement seems to make it so that they are as close to the middle lane as it is on the Radiant.
You said that there are 2 entrances to the Rosh pit now, so is 1 right by the bot-rune, and the other right by the Dire tier 1 tower?
The ancient placement seems to make it so that they are as close to the middle lane as it is on the Radiant.
Ooh, (hypothetical) patch notes.
Naked boots or the upgraded versions as well? The implications of sharing Tranquil Boots among support heroes could be quite large indeed, so I'm doubtful this goes in without a massive amount of testing and reflection.
Another potentially massive change, would throw the Enigma-Brewmaster counterbalance on its ear.
Whether this is no stun or a microstun, it's a change that can't be said to be unwarranted, Shackleshot in its present form is unarguably the strongest disable in the game. It can be misused, but this would go a long way to really accentuate and reward maximal use, and offer less reward for just throwing it as a matter of course.
Grouping these together given they both constitute midgame buffs to Drow Ranger (and a lesser extent to heroes of her make), stack farming could be extremely lucrative given you hold onto the creep indefinitely, and the enemy team killing it doesn't throw a wrench into the works for minutes at a time. Now a lot less punishing to use the Helm in a more active combat role, either by giving yourself a personal disable to finish kills (ie a Centaur stomp, a Troll net), or by augmenting the team's push or damage (ie Alpha Wolf).
This sort of change would have deep implications both for Drow and other heroes, could definitely see team strategies revolve around getting multiples of these up:
- Drow Ranger (58% damage amp with Alpha Wolf aura)
- Vengeful Spirit (66% damage amp with Alpha Wolf aura)
- Lycan (possibly in lieu of Vladimir's Offering[1]; Alpha Wolf constituting a third wolf for speedier jungling via damage aura, stacking camps and ancients)
- Beastmaster (55% attack speed with a Centaur Khan, essentially a team Hyperstone)
- In general, more situational stuff like Satyrs for Mana burns, Purges and sniping summoned units
- Vengeful Spirit (66% damage amp with Alpha Wolf aura)
- Lycan (possibly in lieu of Vladimir's Offering[1]; Alpha Wolf constituting a third wolf for speedier jungling via damage aura, stacking camps and ancients)
- Beastmaster (55% attack speed with a Centaur Khan, essentially a team Hyperstone)
- In general, more situational stuff like Satyrs for Mana burns, Purges and sniping summoned units
Like the shared boots change, this would have some pretty deep-running implications.
[1] Definite tradeoff. Save a meager 200 gold, +20 damage, even armor bonus, 1% less lifesteal, lose the mana regen, lose the lifesteal on your wolves and melee allies, can't turn off the orb.
Strength and Agility from the components is equal to the finished item, so perhaps this is hinting that those stats will be buffed in the new toggle version of the weapon (ie 32 Str + 0 Agi, 0 Str + 32 Agi, 16 Str + 16 Agi [vanilla]). Would definitely make it a fair bit more compelling for both Strength and Agility heroes with an interest in variable attack speed, damage, and tanking (with a splash of slow in the mix). Would very much like to see this change and what sort of stat-swapping is involved, because something like the above could probably push it into a position of competitive relevancy.
Definitely would like to see, the standard Carapace is far too easily disarmed. The duration nerf is worth very little given the complete coverage offered by the tweak.
Necrolyte's ultimate upgrade is one of the worst in the game at present, so it makes sense that they may be looking at something drastic to fix this.
300 health missing: 180/270/360
500 health missing: 300/450/600
700 health missing: 500/630/840
900 health missing (a la big, scary hard carry [or Milkman's Pudge]): 540/810/1080
Compared to the old Scythe and against heroes with their standard magic resistance, this buff essentially amounts to a 25% damage increase (with the Scepter). It scales better than other pure damage nukes into the lategame as well, and the Aghanim's buildup provides Necro with the two things he really, really needs: raw HP and Mana to get into the middle of fights, stay there as long as possible for the aura to work its magic, and spam Death Pulses and autoattacks without cease. Think this change could bump the upgrade from "not even once" to "strongly consider".
Nightmares of Lich and Lion teamfight bros, though it sounds like a creepwave or enthralled jungle creeps would reduce the danger considerably.
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