GOP set to adopt official abortion platform without exceptions for rape and incest

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Aaron said:
I think the debate of when a fetus is considered human is pointless and misdirected, because if the child is born, these 'pro-life' politicians do not give a shit if the kid suffers and dies at any other point in its existence. They are trying to score points with God from a self-centered and self-righteous pov.
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There's also an element of vengeance and punishment for people doing what they want. If a woman gets pregnant you can feel republicans want to point and say haha you did what you want and sinned and acted like a SLUT so now you DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR ACTIONS!!! kind of thing. There's no room for logic or a valid explanation for why sex is wrong and why a fetus isn't a life and so on. They just want sinners to be punished and church going puritans to be able to feel self righteous.

Loofy said:
Huh? are you not thankful that your mother didnt have you aborted?
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Nobody would have known if they were aborted so it doesn't matter. I don't know how anyone can be afraid of never existing.
 
The funny thing is if my mom didn't abort before me, I don't even know if I'd be here since it was with a man who wasn't my own father. Funny how abortion makes it so some of us ARE born.
 
Wants unwanted children in the world then doesn't want to feed, educate, give them a better life.

What a joke of a party.
 
Loofy said:
You were around. What you actually mean is that you dont remember.

So really we should be able to abort babies, if they cant remember its like they never existed.
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Hey you know who can remember what stuff is like? The woman who has to carry a fetus inside of her that she doesn't want.
 
MIMIC said:
REALLY? Is this what it has come to?
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In context, it can't be used for a debate. Since there is no common ground, on earth, as to what exactly is the legal definiton of "life." I think you blew soul out of the window in a previous post, but some people will use that in their argument about life to be anti-choice.

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This is the saddest argument I've seen on gaf in ages (not u mimic)
 
Are Republicans in favor of, in the event that such abortion laws pass, renouncing citizenship to rich people who go to other countries to abort? Why would you want murderers in your country?
 
commedieu said:
In context, it can't be used for a debate. Since there is no common ground, on earth, as to what exactly is the legal definiton of "life." I think you blew soul out of the window in a previous post, but some people will use that in their argument about life to be anti-choice.

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This is the saddest argument I've seen on gaf in ages (not u mimic)
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Not my fault someone admits to basically not reading before presenting their own argument.
 
Loofy said:
You were around. What you actually mean is that you dont remember.

So really we should be able to abort babies, if they cant remember its like they never existed.
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Listen, your view of "life at conception" is severely flawed.

If you were arguing for life at 20 weeks or something, then you would have SOME basis at least.
 
Devolution said:
Not my fault someone admits to basically not reading before presenting their own argument.
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thats what I mean. Loofster just can't admit that they dont care what you're posting. But just wanted to post their mantra.. instead.. the worlds stupidest string of words keeps coming out to save face.

Jintor said:
Every sperm that is never born is murder, never mastubate again okay?
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Republicans don't masturbate. Isn't it forbidden?


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And sorry Loofy if english isn't your first language.
 
Loofy said:
You were around. What you actually mean is that you dont remember.

So really we should be able to abort babies, if they cant remember its like they never existed.
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The mass of cells in a women at one month is incapable of memory. This isn't something you can debate.

There actually is a valid discussion to be had in this thread, but you have to avoid absurdities in order to have that discussion.
 
Loofy said:
If you wanna know my official stance.
I think women should have a choice.. but that choice should be to carry the baby.
Sort of like how people should be married to have kids, but I wouldnt make it the law.
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What the fuck is this even supposed to mean?
 
DR2K said:
Wants unwanted children in the world then doesn't want to feed, educate, give them a better life.

What a joke of a party.
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this

I don't know why it's allowed to be honest. People keep spouting on about democracy but I can't hop on board that concept, if these people were in power it would result in absolute misery. They shouldn't be allowed to hold such positions due to people's ignorance and superstition.

Loofy said:
If you wanna know my official stance.
I think women should have a choice.. but that choice should be to carry the baby.
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'God does grant you free will, you can either accept Jesus Christ or go to hell. It's a choice.'
 
Loofy said:
You were around. What you actually mean is that you dont remember.

So really we should be able to abort babies, if they cant remember its like they never existed.
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They'll just be replaced with one other seven billion people and growing. Human life isn't any miracle. That's the problem. If it was, there wouldn't be any need for abortion debates.
 
commedieu said:
thats what I mean. Loofster just can't admit that they dont care what you're posting. But just wanted to post their mantra.. instead.. the worlds stupidest string of words keeps coming out to save face.
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The pro-lifers on GAF tend to present the time tired old games of semantics and faulty logic. They never define anything, "life" is somehow supposed to be understood by all of us despite the fact that "life" has no common definition, and they like to pretend that the fetus is either developed in a vacuum or the wants/desires of the woman carrying it matter not a wit despite the fact that it's the autonomy of the woman that is what keeps abortion up to a certain week legal.
 
Loofy said:
If you wanna know my official stance.
I think women should have a choice.. but that choice should be to carry the baby.
Sort of like how people should be married to have kids, but I wouldnt make it the law.
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Is this the post that started this all? If so...

g2vy
 
Loofy said:
You were around. What you actually mean is that you dont remember.

So really we should be able to abort babies, if they cant remember its like they never existed.
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Do you know that a huge number of normal pregnancies ends in a miscarriage, most of them very early because they would be unviable? Sometimes the egg/sperm combo that apparently is life just fails to attach. Sometimes it attaches to a bad place. Should we see that as involuntary manslaughter? I wonder what these short-lived persons would have to say to god. Guess they wouldn't be very thankful.
 
Loofy said:
Huh? are you not thankful that your mother didnt have you aborted?
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Yeah, in normal circumstances.

But it would be absolutely great to know you're a kid conceived by incest with a higher probability of a handicap or knowing that 50 procent of your genes belong to a man that raped your mother.

Do you not grasp any of these concepts? Are you that ignorant? You make my fucking blood boil.
 
You know....as a parent I don't generally like the idea of abortion. I kind of see it as a necessary evil of sorts. Morning after pill, that sort of thing doesn't bother me really, though it still seems to me that it's "killing a life." Once it's started developing though, it seems.....wrong. Though at the same time I can see how it's just an awful situation to be in. If it were to be made illegal, it seems there would be a lot of "coat hangar" type abortions and that's definitely not good.

I feel like there are only 2 opinions as to what makes a life that are logical. Either when it's born, i.e. exits the woman, which means that if abortions are legal then they should be legal up until the baby exits the womb. I think that everyone pretty much agrees that's fucked up and borderline sociopathic. The other option is that it's a life at conception and anything past that is killing a life. Any sort of delineation of life in between those two points seem arbitrary with no real basis in logic. When the heart beats? When the brain forms? When neurons begin to fire? When?

It's an awful debate with emotions raging on either side. I don't really think that there is a right answer to it, just one that causes the least harm.

I really hate pretty much every social stance the Republicans seem to take, it really is awful.
 
Loofy said:
You were around. What you actually mean is that you dont remember.

So really we should be able to abort babies, if they cant remember its like they never existed.
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It would take memory, an understanding of the premise of the question, and the ability to logically articulate and rate the pros and cons of being alive or being aborted. Not even a baby carried fully to term could do that.

Please keep posting though, you're my entertainment for the night.
 
Carcetti said:
Do you know that a huge number of normal pregnancies ends in a miscarriage, most of them very early because they would be unviable? Sometimes the egg/sperm combo that apparently is life just fails to attach. Sometimes it attaches to a bad place. Should we see that as involuntary manslaughter? I wonder what these short-lived persons would have to say to god. Guess they wouldn't be very thankful.
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Well, I can't remember which, a state actually wanted to investigate miscarriages as unlawful abortions.
 
Devolution said:
The pro-lifers on GAF tend to present the time tired old games of semantics and faulty logic. They never define anything, "life" is somehow supposed to be understood by all of us despite the fact that "life" has no common definition, and they like to pretend that the fetus is either developed in a vacuum or the wants/desires of the woman carrying it matter not a wit despite the fact that it's the autonomy of the woman that is what keeps abortion up to a certain week legal.
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Right, then they get fed up and bail out since their rhetoric can't possibly rebut any slightly logical arguments. I still wonder where they all hide, they pop out from time to time to completely embarrass themselves.

And it's not like what we are saying is horse shit you know? Things like womens rights are generally a good thing when the GOP wants to burn through thousands of people in some middle eastern country, as they don't know any better over there, and we must help them become civil. Yet, in our own country, this.



thezerofire said:
that's essentially a verse in the Bible, by the way
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http://christwire.org/2009/02/is-it-ok-for-my-christian-daughter-to-masturbate/
 
daw840 said:
You know....as a parent I don't generally like the idea of abortion. I kind of see it as a necessary evil of sorts. Morning after pill, that sort of thing doesn't bother me really, though it still seems to me that it's "killing a life." Once it's started developing though, it seems.....wrong. Though at the same time I can see how it's just an awful situation to be in. If it were to be made illegal, it seems there would be a lot of "coat hangar" type abortions and that's definitely not good.

I feel like there are only 2 opinions as to what makes a life that are logical. Either when it's born, i.e. exits the woman, which means that if abortions are legal then they should be legal up until the baby exits the womb. I think that everyone pretty much agrees that's fucked up and borderline sociopathic. The other option is that it's a life at conception and anything past that is killing a life. Any sort of delineation of life in between those two points seem arbitrary with no real basis in logic. When the heart beats? When the brain forms? When neurons begin to fire? When?

It's an awful debate with emotions raging on either side. I don't really think that there is a right answer to it, just one that causes the least harm.

I really hate pretty much every social stance the Republicans seem to take, it really is awful.
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Thankfully, as pointed out by speculawyer previously in the thread, the rate of 3rd trimester abortions is .08% (including health issue abortions). So there is some comfort in that. So you're right a vast majority of people will find it stupid as shit to do such a late abortion.
 
Loofy said:
The GOPs words are life at conception. Pro-choice people can talk about babys being parasites, or that they legally arent 'persons' according to legal definitions. But they just have to admit theyre killing a life.

I just told you I never read what you were quoting.
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That is the nature of being an animal, we destroy 'life' every day. The question is rather, are we destroying a 'person'? I'm yet to be convinced that a cluster of undifferentiated cells could be considered a person, and even further a foetus that hasn't developed a nervous system is not classified as a 'person' in any meaningful sense.
 
Devolution said:
The pro-lifers on GAF tend to present the time tired old games of semantics and faulty logic. They never define anything, "life" is somehow supposed to be understood by all of us despite the fact that "life" has no common definition, and they like to pretend that the fetus is either developed in a vacuum or the wants/desires of the woman carrying it matter not a wit despite the fact that it's the autonomy of the woman that is what keeps abortion up to a certain week legal.
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*testing a theory*

My pastor told me life begins at conception.
 
Chinner said:
how come republicans care about a baby before its born and then stop giving a shit once it is?
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Because it's never been about life with most republicans. It's been about the control of the reproductive system of women. Hell it reaches back far beyond that even. The whole "life" debate is just religious demagoguery.



MIMIC said:
*testing a theory*

My pastor told me life begins at conception.
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A woman's body rejects more zygotes, embryos, etc than it accepts. God is the biggest abortionist ever.
 
Devolution said:
Why are people using exceptional premies to establish viability? Do you know how much care probably went into making sure they survived? How many others at the same week died?
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Viability is an irrelevant metric anyways. Advances in neonatal care should not change the criteria for abortions.

For most arguments based on viability, it doesn't make a lick of sense. I suppose it would be reasonable to include viability if premature birth were actually the alternative presented, but that would be terrible. There are potential medical implications of an extremely premature birth, even if they do survive.

Then consider the future. Medical science will likely progress until a womb-like incubator is developed, allowing development from conception to birth to occur without any significant inconvenience to another human being. Were viability the criteria, that would be the end of all abortions.

What seems like a reasonable criteria in the modern day slowly becomes a strange one. I mean, what ethical argument would suggest that it's wrong to kill the handful of cells formed immediately after conception, and how would it depend on whether or not you could incubate those cells into becoming a fully-developed human being?
 
thezerofire said:
that's essentially a verse in the Bible, by the way
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If you're referring to the death of Onan in Genesis, he dies because he fails to honor his responsibility to his brother to provide him a named offspring, not because he "spills his seed." You may be referring to another passage, but this is the one most often misquoted and pulled out of context as a proclamation against masturbation.
 
divisionbyzorro said:
If you're referring to the death of Onan in Genesis, he dies because he fails to honor his responsibility to his brother to provide him a named offspring, not because he "spills his seed." You may be referring to another passage, but this is the one most often misquoted and pulled out of context as a proclamation against masturbation.
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Masturbation is another form of pornography that will infest your daughter’s mind and serve as a gateway to far worse sexual activities.

Studies show that 87% of the women who become prostitutes did so because of unbridled masturbation as a teenager, and over 90% of girls who become pregnant as teenagers did so because of masturbation loosened their morals and made them more apt to engage in unprotected fornication.

Masturbation will make your daughter very comfortable exploring her body, and it will not be long until she begins to envision other people partaking in the deviant behavior with her.

This will of course lead to your daughter seeking out a male companion, or even female. As a teenager, your daughter’s mind is not yet developed enough to handle the pressures and responsibilities of being sexually active. It will lead to great sorrow in her life if you don’t put a stop to it right now.

So first, have a talk with your daughter and pray with her. Pray all that sinful desire of masturbation right out of her heart. Throw the device away, and then enroll her in some abstinence counseling sessions. These will teach your daughter the value and need of respecting her body until marriage. Masturbation is very unnatural and by taking proactive steps to get this bizarre behavior out of your teen’s life, you’ll ensure she has a better future.
-Amber
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Lotta people seem misguided, but still, they have faith that they are right.

christwire.org/2009/02/is-it-ok-for-my-christian-daughter-to-masturbate/
 
Chinner said:
how come republicans care about a baby before its born and then stop giving a shit once it is?
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They care more about making people feel bad for doing what they want rather than the life of the child. If a woman has unprotected sex and gets pregnant republicans will see her as the ultimate evil and want to prevent her from being able to 'get away with it' by forcing her to keep the child and live in misery. If you say she can't afford it or doesn't want the child etc. all they'll say is 'welp, should've thought of that before! too bad!'. And of course they never put blame on the male for taking part in it. It's really horrible and pathetic.
 
MIMIC said:
*testing a theory*

My pastor told me life begins at conception.
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As I said earlier, a huge number of pregnancies terminate by themselves really soon after conception and neither the man or the woman can do anything about it. It's all in the hands of a 'higher power'? So, God is the greatest child killer of all time?
 
Carcetti said:
As I said earlier, a huge number of pregnancies terminate by themselves really soon after conception and neither the man or the woman can do anything about it. It's all in the hands of a 'higher power'? So, God is the greatest child killer of all time?
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Yes. For every child born God aborts 3.
 
Life is not a nebulous concept.
Human is not a nebulous concept.
A functioning human life is not a nebulous concept.
A self-sustainable human life is not a nebulous concept.

What is nebulous (in this debate) is morality.
But rather than admitting it, people try to make the above nebulous.
 
Saadster said:
Thankfully, as pointed out by speculawyer previously in the thread, the rate of 3rd trimester abortions is .08% (including health issue abortions). So there is some comfort in that. So you're right a vast majority of people will find it stupid as shit to do such a late abortion.
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That's definitely good. Still though, in some other threads (specifically breed specific dog legislation) GAF seems to take a stand that is adamantly against any loss of life. According to wikipedia there has been 50 million abortions since 1979. That means 400,000 of them were 3rd trimester. Let's say that 3/4 of them were for health issues, i.e. the mother and baby would have died if the abortion wasn't performed, that means 100,000 children were killed in the last 33 years. Far, far more than any dangerous dog breed has killed.

I don't really want to derail anything, just an observation.
 
commedieu said:
Lotta people seem misguided, but still, they have faith that they are right.

christwire.org/2009/02/is-it-ok-for-my-christian-daughter-to-masturbate/
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You know Christwire is satirical right

I mean it doesn't take away from your larger point, but poor choice of evidence.
 
daw840 said:
That's definitely good. Still though, in some other threads (specifically breed specific dog legislation) GAF seems to take a stand that is adamantly against any loss of life. According to wikipedia there has been 50 million abortions since 1979. That means 400,000 of them were 3rd trimester. Let's say that 3/4 of them were for health issues, i.e. the mother and baby would have died if the abortion wasn't performed, that means 100,000 children were killed in the last 33 years. Far, far more than any dangerous dog breed has killed.

I don't really want to derail anything, just an observation.
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All those women still got nothin' on god.
 
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