Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I get the same feeling. It will have the same forest island type of land type but not be shocklands.
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I get the same feeling. It will have the same forest island type of land type but not be shocklands.
They've teased them so many times at this point that it would be way too much trolling to not reprint them. Reprinting makes too much sense when you combine it with their stated to desire to print more stuff for Modern.
Also, dual lands aren't exactly a super huge design space and I'd be surprised if they burn a whole new set of ten.
Also, dual lands aren't exactly a super huge design space and I'd be surprised if they burn a whole new set of ten.
kurrptsenate
Banned
Exactly.
They want the price of admission to be lower on another "popular" format. Ever since extended died, they wanted something to pick up the pieces.
Wizards makes nothing from the 2nd hand market. Reprinting popular cards in their popular format just ensures people will continue to buy packs.
They will definitely reprint shock lands. They've been saying that for over a year now.
Keru_Shiri
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I think we're getting the original shocklands back. Wizards has mentioned time and again that they plan to reprint Modern staples. The problem with creating new dual lands with land types, is instead of having everyone with shocklands, you have people with both having a distinct advantage over people with just the new lands.
kurrptsenate
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The effect of duel land types in standard is inconsequential if there isn't the advantage of fetch lands helping to fix your mana.
Why would you do that? They're going to crash hard.
kurrptsenate
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Yea, you definitely over paid pretty hard.
Your best bet is to wait about 1.5 months after the set is released when it's heavily drafted to get them on the cheap
Keru_Shiri
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They've already printed several cards that care about basic land types in M13. Also, who's to say we won't see a reprint of Zendikar fetches in the block after?
EDIT: Not to mention that the M13 and Innistrad Duals all care about basic land types.
I'm expecting all 10 "M10" lands in the next core set, followed by the Onslaught Fetchlands in the one after that. (3 months of Fetch/Shock craziness= awesome, but not obnoxious.)
They also will not be printing other "Dual Lands" (double land types) any time soon. If you do too many variants, they're not special anymore.
kurrptsenate
Banned
Not sure where you got the idea of Onslaught fetches being reprinted :/
I didnt feel like waiting til February to get the duals that would come out in Gatecrash. Im still waiting on the ones that will come out in RtR. Also, im exclusively an EDH player, so I couldnt care less about them not possibly being in standard if they arent reprinted.
kurrptsenate
Banned
You should have proxy'd in that case.
We were saying to wait as it would have saved you great deal of money to possibly buy real duel lands with
It really would be for the good of the game if they did that. They are essential to 98% of the decks people play, they should make them readily available to everyone.
Bad for limited.
narcosis219
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The Ravnica Bouncelands were common. How did limited in there turn out?
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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They hover because they're absolutely necessary unless you want a shitty deck usually or your mono something. And then when it's the older set and packs are gone they can go up to like $20 like the scars lands were due to demand but die out again. It's like the first rares I buy when a new set comes out because of how necessary they are.
Keru_Shiri
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Keep in mind that Invasion/8th Ed Duals, Zendikar refuges, and Alara Tri lands were all Uncommon as well. I personally don't see how bad for limited uncommon duals could be, but they will indeed be rare.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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I don't remember what those lands were off the top of my head but all the other dual lands I've seen are significantly worse than the rare ones. I think it would have a much bigger effect if the sac lands of zendikar were uncommon rather than the refuges.
Ravnica is considered to be one of the best draft blocks ever because of all the easy to obtain fixing from bouncelands & signets.
kurrptsenate
Banned
Duels are worth so much because they are in such high demand. Any serious competitive player needs play sets of each.
That being said, Magic is a game of resources. Duel lands allow you to consistently cast your spells earlier in the game. A lot of decks in legacy get free wins based off of denying your opponent that privilege (wasteland)
Newer players tend to under-value the importance of mana and their mana base.
Also, if they were going to reprint fetch lands, they wouldn't do it in such a way that shock lands and fetch lands were legal in the same standard block.
That being said, Magic is a game of resources. Duel lands allow you to consistently cast your spells earlier in the game. A lot of decks in legacy get free wins based off of denying your opponent that privilege (wasteland)
Newer players tend to under-value the importance of mana and their mana base.
Also, if they were going to reprint fetch lands, they wouldn't do it in such a way that shock lands and fetch lands were legal in the same standard block.
Keru_Shiri
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True, of the ones I mentioned, the Tri lands are probably the only ones that would be at about the same level.
kurrptsenate
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For how ridiculous fetch lands are, they really shouldn't be uncommon.
Plus that block had uncommon duels, but they came into play tapped
Plus that block had uncommon duels, but they came into play tapped
Nope. Great for limited; we've had good fixing at uncommon before, and it usually makes the format more fun.
kurrptsenate
Banned
It's the fixing at a cost that makes it good for limited. Everyone drafting 4+ colors is bad for limited
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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What were the ones that you had to return a land but they always produced two? Where they rares? I forget what get they were.
Zendikar sac lands with ravnica shock lands?
Keru_Shiri
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Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Ah, I thought they were common. I wasn't sure if those were the ones referenced to as "bounce lands" but I assumed they were. I loved those lands so much. Pretty much kills 2 drops but awesome cards to play.
I don't think you realize how uncommon print runs work.
Five good mana-fixing uncommons would not cause every player at the table to draft 4+ colors.
They would be mid-pack picks, sure, but there wouldn't be enough going around to enable anything but splashing and a few 3-color decks.... which is ideal for a multicolored format. Avacyn restored has great fixing at common in Borderland Ranger and Abundant Growth, and it's still almost entirely new players who splash a third color with a green deck in the format. For a 4-color deck in a limited format to ever be viable, you would need to have more fixing at common and uncommon than invasion block, which is famous for its 3+ color decks and widely considered one of the most fun limited formats ever. Remember: consistency is key in limited.
Also, in a faster format, the two life from a shockland is not insignificant.
Keru_Shiri
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Yeah, people forget that the 3+ point swing from a fetch>shockland can be a huge set back against aggro or burn. I've won games a turn earlier against players willing to do me the courtesy of setting themselves back by 5 life with reckless mana-fixing.
kurrptsenate
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what happens more often is people have access to spells, or abilities attributed to specific colors without actually having to play that color.
The Technomancer
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Depends on the matchup, but in the early game life is much less valuable then mana.
Keru_Shiri
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I don't know... bouncelands are susceptible to non-basic land hate, and stuff like Spreading Seas.
That would require Wizards to print an effective piece of land hate.
kurrptsenate
Banned
The uncommon land from Zendikar block was effective and widely played. Not much currently though
It actually doesn't work right vs the Karoos if they're played T2/4/6.
They weren't an issue in Constructed, though. It was limited, where they were far, far better than they appeared.
That totally looks like the new art for Temple Garden.
I think the art here isn't that great but it could be Temple Garden. I hope it's for the common/uncommon GW land.
MaRo already confirmed that the original Bouncelands won't be coming back in RTR.
kurrptsenate
Banned
yup
find out which edition it is. i assume they aren't black bordered.
in that case, unlimited ones are worth about 20-30 more.
how good is "good condition"?
Keru_Shiri
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Depends on the color of the borders. Black bordered are worth more than white bordered, but even the white bordered cards can fetch quite a bit. Any other gems?
kurrptsenate
Banned
revised bayou is like 60, revised tropical islands are about 100 now
White bordered. And in terms of condition, I see minor fraying on the back of the Bayou in one corner, and I can't see anything wrong with the Tropical Island.
And I'm not really sure what other gems I'd be looking for in the stack, worth-wise. I just knew the double-colored lands were supposed to be rare and saw those two. Didn't think they were THAT expensive though.
kurrptsenate
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yea, staple in legacy and vintage. also played in commander.
Take a picture quick. I could tell you if it's revised or unlimited.
there really aren't any other gems in the revised set, but DEFINITELY unlimited.
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