There is no de jure segregation, but there is de facto segregation. Your statement reeks of "colorblindness"
19 people shot in overnight shootings across Chicago
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There is no de jure segregation, but there is de facto segregation. Your statement reeks of "colorblindness"
I'd guess stabbings, vehicular, assault, etc. People can kill people in many ways.
EvilDick34
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Well, sure like any anything in life that people do, people do them for different reasons but in this case if parents actually did their job a lot fewer kids would be in gangs.
RumblingRosco
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Some other weapon or device to kill someone. A knife, a candlestick, a rope, a wrench, etc.
75% of 17 year olds killed are killed by a revolver. The other 25% are by non-gun objects. According to that chart.
Karsticles
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That's just people. It has nothing to do with GAF.
Because you attacked me for holding an opinion I didn't express, or even mention.
Ignatz Mouse
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This. Plenty of middle-class people of all ethnicities all around where I live. But not a lot of cheap places to live for poorer folks.
Oh, there we go. Got it.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Hey guys, are the cities north of the city considered bad nowadays? Like North Chicago or Waukegan?
I used to like in those 2 plus Great Lakes in the late 80's. I remember taking trains into the city. Don't remember it being that bad, but I was young and not going to the south side though.
I do remember the gangs though, people use to talk of the vice lords and Latin kings when I went to school in north chicago.
I used to like in those 2 plus Great Lakes in the late 80's. I remember taking trains into the city. Don't remember it being that bad, but I was young and not going to the south side though.
I do remember the gangs though, people use to talk of the vice lords and Latin kings when I went to school in north chicago.
Okay this is completely wrong. If you compare Chicago to a city like San Francisco, I think the segregation in the city would be apparent. How many black people do you see walking about Wicker Park? How many Mexican people do you see in Lincoln Park or around Depaul? Chicago is a city with areas that are well known to be areas with a lot of Koreans, Mexicans, Jewish people, etc. I mean Chicago has a China town....
EDIT: I obviously don't want to generalize because most of the segregation is based on community needs like family and churches as well as economic reasons. There's no strict Jewish part of town but in the area near my aunt's house you see a lot of "we support israel flags" and temples. I only assume there's a high concentration of Jewish people in that area. If you go to a Dirty Projectors show downtown would it be surprising if you were among the .05% of asian people there? probably not.
This. For some reason it doesn't get much air time on the news nationally which it should, but these shootings in Chicago have been going on forever. I'm only 2 1/2 hours north, you couldn't pay me all the money in the world to live in Chicago. The poverty and gang related issues just continue to spread. And bringing the hood to the nice parts of the city will only make those parts of the city worse not better.
EvilDick34
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polyh3dron
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Gun control means using both hands in my land.
Oh and I was listening to something on NPR a while back about the recent rise in gang violence in Chicago and IIRC it was closely linked to the amount of funding cut from the city's anti-gang unit or something.
Oh and I was listening to something on NPR a while back about the recent rise in gang violence in Chicago and IIRC it was closely linked to the amount of funding cut from the city's anti-gang unit or something.
EvilDick34
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It is not apparent, there is nothing stopping a hispanic or african american from visiting or living in lincoln park, etcc...now is that reality, for the most part no, i know this but nothing stops them from moving wherever they want to.
Your parents can't save you while you're at school or they're at work (if they can find it). I understand why gangs exist, but it's horrible that they do. I don't know if the worst parts of Chicago can ever be "saved" really in the way that Rio and its slums can't be fixed.
i'd say older teens join for money and to survive. lots of younger kids simply join because their friends join and the people they look up to are also gangsters. kids grow up admiring the older kids around them and if they are gangsters then its no surprise if they end up getting into that life.
EvilDick34
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Don't be, it is a wonderful city. Just make sure to ask people where specifically not to go in the city until you become more familiar with things.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
To be fair about the gang thing, alot of little kids are 3rd or even 4th generation Vice Lords.
So there are kids who are in the gangs due to their family being in there. Not sure there were driven there for protection or companionship, it is how they were raised.
However, the point mentioned on gang membership are the dominant way people enter gang life.
So there are kids who are in the gangs due to their family being in there. Not sure there were driven there for protection or companionship, it is how they were raised.
However, the point mentioned on gang membership are the dominant way people enter gang life.
True. The gang members become revered or someone in their family is in a gang or was killed by a gang.
EvilDick34
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How am i ignorant, how about you explain that to me. I grew up without parents, i probably know this shit better then you could ever understand.
Where is your internship at? In all likelihood it's relatively central and you'll find essentially no crime at all in downtown Chicago. You probably won't even use the same trains (other than maybe quickly traveling around the Loop or taking the Red Line to the Loop) as the people who live in the areas most affected by crime. It's a sad reality.
I worked in the West Loop for 3+ years (just off the Clinton stop.. first outside of it) so I took either the Green or the Pink daily and the ridership was obviously quite different than that of the others I'd sometimes ride.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Dude, you're not going anywhere that's violent.
The hood has no internships.
That's about as dense as me going to some random place in London and assuming I'm going to find bad teeth and crumpets overflowing ont he sidewalks.
You can't just move. Where the hell do you get the money? You went to a shit school, with no guidance on how to be successful in life and you can barely get into college. No one is telling you what you should really be doing. How are you affording this move?
They've moved the "hood" out of some of the now nicer parts of the city. That's a silly statement really. If you live in the North Shore or Wisconsin as it sounds like in your case, you'd probably never encounter a gang member if you lived in Chicago proper because you'd be in a different part of town as them.
Well, read up on the city and where you will be staying and you'll be fine.
Karsticles
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Feel free to ask for traveling advice here. I'm sure the Chicagoans would love to help you out. Don't be scared, be smart.
I'm not even sure how you "bring the hood" to a nice part of the city. Forced relocation? Government instituted low income housing in nice areas? Honest question, I wonder what plans people have for these sorts of things.
North Chicago is generally fine. It's still "big city" living, so not as safe as a small town, but I never felt like walking around at night there was a problem.
RumblingRosco
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I've been in Chicago quite a lot (I'm from Central Illinois) and you're probably for real going to get mugged at the very least.
EvilDick34
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So according to you, if you have a shit life nothing can be accomplished? GOTCHA. Boy, am i glad that i worked my ass off and have acquired a decent life, thank god you weren't my counselor.
dark_chris
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That line made me laugh cause it reminds me of the line "PS3 has no games". =p
But its true, the hoods dont really have that.
Chicago is a wonderful city. You dont really have to be afraid here. Its not like there are 19 shootings a day
You clearly don't understand. You would be bullshitting yourself to believe that everyone could make it out of the ghetto. The system is broken. Some make it some dont.
My point of view is someone who grew up in PG county maryland and lived and have been active in Baltimore for a while now.
Lol Skokie.
EvilDick34
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Again, i had no parents to support me. I was homeless for a short stretch of time, i was a ward of the state...yet here i am, doing good enough to live comfortably. How do i not understand?
MT, i understand some people won't make it...it has been that way for all of mankind, not just Chicago. Everyone won't/can't save themselves. However, there are plenty of others that have survived and thrived.
I live in Chicago and a big part of the problem are the projects and south side. There is not very much for these teens to do and they keep them in big buildings where gangs eventually take over.
Chicago spends little money on trying to actually help these families and getting them out of the projects and back into real neighborhoods with real jobs and hope. Sure they will give them free rent and food stamps but these places are hopeless and the kids are just a product of there environment.
Chicago spends little money on trying to actually help these families and getting them out of the projects and back into real neighborhoods with real jobs and hope. Sure they will give them free rent and food stamps but these places are hopeless and the kids are just a product of there environment.
Because everyone wont be you. Thats my whole point. I know a lot of people that make it. Look at Baltimore Polytechnic in Bmore. A lot of students go there and become great engineers. For everyone that goes there, there are kids that go to school to get 3 meals a day more than an education.
ThatCrazyGuy
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You guys talking about moving the hood to be good parts, are you talking a bout section 8 housing? Is that a thing in Illinois?
Here in California they do that in some places. There will stick the section 8 pods in a middle class part of a town.
I think they most take over old apartment complexes or buy random ones out.
I know by some military bases that has little pod housing areas off base, when they close them down, section 8 will take them over. Some people have huge issues with this in these places.
Here in California they do that in some places. There will stick the section 8 pods in a middle class part of a town.
I think they most take over old apartment complexes or buy random ones out.
I know by some military bases that has little pod housing areas off base, when they close them down, section 8 will take them over. Some people have huge issues with this in these places.
apocalidiot
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Why are you still going back and forth with this guy?
I don't know. I'll stop. I should have read the tag earlier. Some people will never get it.
EvilDick34
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They have started to do that here over the last few years. As they have torn down the old project buildings they have implemented mixed income housing.
He obviously doesn't get the fact that we don't mean segregated in the literal sense. Obviously Derrick Rose lives at the top of Trump's new tower because he just pulled himself up by his bootstraps and decided "hey I wanna live downtown. There's nothing stopping me, I can live anywhere!!!!!!!"
Azzurri
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I thought that's what they did with Cabrini Greens after they tore it down.
Yup, they started doing that where I live and my brother in law's car was broken into soon after.
EvilDick34
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Yep, my tag...such a weak excuse. I get it more then you could ever even comprehend MT. You just think that if you we're born poor you cannot change things, which is sad.
Ignatz Mouse
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Your loss. Chicago is a great city for the middle-class.
EvilDick34
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You guys are literally using segregation as a racial thing, which is pathetic as hell.
It's so sad that due to there being a retarded show of a presidential race going on, nobody can fucking mention a gun debate. We got kids dying in cities and huge mass shootings every month now and nobody wants to do a fucking thing about it because it's not politically wise. That's the reason this country never makes any fucking progress.
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