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It'd be nice if a rebalance just buffed slower characters so they could keep up a bit more without the X-factor. Couple that with more mild X-factor bonuses. The main problem with those speed boosts is how jarring it can be when coupled with surprise X-factor. It's one of those things that makes the game appear "random" to a lot of people.
 
Dahbomb said:
I think speed boost to a certain extent on certain characters is fine like on Hulk or Sentinel but its out of control for already fast characters with speed boosts like Vergil, wesker and wolverine.
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Exactly. What makes characters like them so dangerous and "random" in XF3 is their speed. They open you up so easily and that's why they're so stupid. No glasses XF3 Wesker can can teleport and attack so quick it's like he's doing tri jumps.
Karsticles said:
How do you expect characters like Sentinel to touch teams without X-Factor? Have you ever played Sentinel on point? Against a good player, it's suicide. A character like Wesker might not need it, but characters like Dr. Doom and Sentinel sure as heck do. Or imagine you're facing Morrigan + Doom. Your first two characters couldn't get in, why would your third be able to with just a speed boost?

The speed boost is there to make up for the lack of screen control you normally have via assists. If you get rid of it, X-Factor will primarily become something people use mid-combo to ensure characters die.


Hulk gets no speed boost, which is why he's terrible on anchor. I'm glad you brought him up because it proves my point, though.
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I agree. But characters like Vergil, Wesker, and Magneto don't need it.
 
SolarPowered said:
It'd be nice if a rebalance just buffed slower characters so they could keep up a bit more without the X-factor. The main problem with those speed boosts is how jarring it can be when coupled with surprise X-factor. It's one of those things that makes the game appear "random" to a lot of people.
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It's not always about the speed, though. Morrigan is really fast, but I've made maybe 3 non-XF comebacks with her during my time playing this game. She's just not great at making comebacks, but there's nothing wrong with her speed. Similarly, Firebrand is maybe the fastest character in the game in XF3 + Luminous Body, and he's a crap tier anchor.

biosnake20 said:
Exactly. What makes characters like them so dangerous and "random" in XF3 is their speed. They open you up so easily and that's why they're so stupid. No glasses XF3 Wesker can can teleport and attack so quick it's like he's doing tri jumps.
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Yeah, and I'm cool with a character like Wesker not getting a speed boost. I think it's smart how they do it now: on a character-by-character basis. That's not to say they did it right for every character, but that's the right way to think about things.

Also, the speed boosts open new combo opportunities that are pretty awesome. For example, Dormammu can loop two Dark Holes in XF2/3. Strider gets all kinds of neat stuff I don't even fully comprehend. I think Wolverine should get a speed boost, just a smaller one.

biosnake20 said:
I agree. But characters like Vergil, Wesker, and Magneto don't need it.
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I think Magneto might need it. Yipes' XF3 Magneto did very little work even as-is. No doubt Vergil and Wesker either need a very small boost or no boost at all.

Sometimes it's more about the numbers than anything. Wesker might need a speed boost (let's say), but does he need a 40% speed boost? Something like 15% might be fine and necessary.

Plus you have to consider that you are gimping your team structure by Wesker anchoring.
 
Karsticles said:
Are you saying MvC3 does not take skill?

What do OTGs matter?

No comeback factor is exactly why MvC2 was more BS than MvC3. It's borderline impossible to make a full-on comeback in MvC2; the borderline is for FG deities like Justin Wong. This is not Street Fighter. When you lose a teammate, you've lost more than 1/3 of your health.


Hey, and that's cool. If you want the first time you touch your opponent to determine the entire match, that's your game. You play it. I just don't want people to pretend that MvC3 offering a way to come back from that first touch somehow makes it more BS than MvC2.
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Your acting like tod don't exist in mvc 3 and yes I rather out play someone than press 4 buttons to win.

Dahbomb said:
But it had on point pseudo infinites, double snap backs, true invincible assists, guard breaks, broke flight/air mechanics and a roster balance that makes Mvc3 look like a perfectly balanced game from top to bottom.


Mvc3 at high level takes a lot of skill too. I don't know what otgs and comebacks have to do with it when the entire game is about getting hits or avoiding hits/bad situations in the first place.
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[Riposte we have the same idea on otgs] I would love to tech the otgs than wait till you hit me and start the combo again, I'll give the roster balance everything else can be avoided.

Karsticles said:
I like how you drop some no-knowledge comment in the thread that starts this whole argument and then disappear, only to pop in for this one-liner.
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lol @ your no knowledge comment I have been playing mvc 2 for over then years I'm average at best.
 
Solune said:
Regarding skill, lol. I like the fact that OTGs are a part of the game. Most games have very situational OTGs and that's fine, because those games weren't built around them. Comeback factor I agree but, almost every new fighting game that's released has some sort of comeback factor now.

I hate how the otgs are in mvc 3 but you are right that is how the engine was built.

TBH I think double snap backs in MvC2 are fair since assists don't take as much damage as their MvC3 counterparts, and they were gamechangers especially since there was said invincible assists. Snapbacks are still valuable in MvC3 but not nearly as prominent.
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I agree with this^
 
So much counter xfactor tech these days. I think another few months people will start using it more and more to protect their character that is incoming from some dirty mix up.

The only thing I dislike about the game is the tac system. Too much reward for fuck all risk.
 
TACs pose a far greater threat to this game's growth than xfactor.

A time will come when TAC infinites will be as easy to execute for players as weskers bnb. when that time comes, the game will devolve into RPS as soon as someone gets a hit. not very fun to watch.
 
KingItachi said:
Your acting like tod don't exist in mvc 3 and yes I rather out play someone than press 4 buttons to win.
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Guess I should register myself for evo2013 and 4 button my way all the way through evo. That's some godlike tech you got there. No need to out play my opponent? This should be easy as hell then!

No one said tods don't exist in mvc3 but your arguments sound like someone from Feb 2011.
 
Karsticles said:
It's not always about the speed, though. Morrigan is really fast, but I've made maybe 3 non-XF comebacks with her during my time playing this game. She's just not great at making comebacks, but there's nothing wrong with her speed. Similarly, Firebrand is maybe the fastest character in the game in XF3 + Luminous Body, and he's a crap tier anchor.

Yeah, and I'm cool with a character like Wesker not getting a speed boost. I think it's smart how they do it now: on a character-by-character basis. That's not to say they did it right for every character, but that's the right way to think about things.

Also, the speed boosts open new combo opportunities that are pretty awesome. For example, Dormammu can loop two Dark Holes in XF2/3. Strider gets all kinds of neat stuff I don't even fully comprehend. I think Wolverine should get a speed boost, just a smaller one.


I think Magneto might need it. Yipes' XF3 Magneto did very little work even as-is. No doubt Vergil and Wesker either need a very small boost or no boost at all.

Sometimes it's more about the numbers than anything. Wesker might need a speed boost (let's say), but does he need a 40% speed boost? Something like 15% might be fine and necessary.

Plus you have to consider that you are gimping your team structure by Wesker anchoring.
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Yipes Magneto didn't do much in XF3 but I've seen him do full comebacks on players like Flocker with no XF magneto. I think it was just ChrisG having godlike blocking.
 
Dahbomb said:
Guess I should register myself for evo2013 and 4 button my way all the way through evo. That's some godlike tech you got there.

No one said tods don't exist in mvc3 but your arguments sounds like someone from Feb 2011.
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Don't you only touch 4 buttons to win in mvc2 as well? :lol
 
biosnake20 said:
Yipes magneto didn't do much in XF3 but I've seen him do full comebacks on players like Flocker with no XF magneto. I think it was just ChrisG having godlike blocking.
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Maybe. I haven't seen a lot of XF3 Magneto out there, so I'm not firm on my judgment. No doubt ChrisG is one of the best at blocking there is.

Dahbomb said:
Guess I should register myself for evo2013 and 4 button my way all the way through evo. That's some godlike tech you got there.

No one said tods don't exist in mvc3 but your arguments sounds like someone from Feb 2011.
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I think the shortcoming goes beyond his knowledge base.
 
Dahbomb said:
Guess I should register myself for evo2013 and 4 button my way all the way through evo. That's some godlike tech you got there. No need to out play my opponent? This should be easy as hell then!

No one said tods don't exist in mvc3 but your arguments sound like someone from Feb 2011.
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They why bring up tods when both games have them and certain characters excel at it, you should have done it and won EVO for free. :)

QisTopTier said:
Don't you only touch 4 buttons to win in mvc2 as well? :lol
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lol yes you do but they don't give you xfactor :)
 
Mag is one of the best lvl3xf characters there is, just below the holy trinity of anchor characters in the game. He would be a great anchor even without a substantial speed boost.
 
KingItachi said:
They why bring up tods when both games have them and certain characters excel at it, you should have done it and won EVO for free. :)



lol yes you do but they don't give you xfactor :)
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No they don't but they give you Sent dhc into storm :lol

Also one touch team kills
 
Karsticles said:
Button slips. Even when I played Doom every day, once in a while I would accidentally down TAC instead of j.S canceled into a downward air dash. Things like that happen, and you can't stop it.
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This.

It's like banning shoryukens in SF games. What happens when you're holding forward and then immediately do a quarter circle motion? Are you DQ'd?
 
I would love to ask the creative director of MVC3 or the Marvel Advisor this...

What was the logic behind Berseker Charge not being a healing Super of some sort? why a speed boost?

I'd make wolverine a low health character, that constantly gets health with meter, and besides regaining health he does a bit extra damage.
 
When I was much younger, my cousins and I would get together to play SF2. There were like 8 of us in rotation. And we had a no throw rule. If you threw, accidentally or on purpose, the rule was that the other guy throws you back and then the match can restart. That shit was serious, nobody ever got into a actual fight but shit got heated back then.
 
~Devil Trigger~ said:
I would love to ask the creative director of MVC3 or the Marvel Advisor this...

What was the logic behind Berseker Charge not being a healing Super of some sort? why a speed boost?

I'd make wolverine a low health character, that constantly gets health with meter, and besides regaining health he does a bit extra damage.
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He would be cheap if he had that.
 
I think we all know that I'm capable of beating Viper w/ Guile. Time to make life easier! #Lifetooshortforbadmatchups
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Dieminion learning a new character? I know he messed around with Guy and Honda before.
 
Damn, I'm late to the discussion :(

Coming from a marvel 2 background I can say that the complain I hear the most is that most OGs I know feel like it's not really MvC3 but TvC2. They hate the mvc3 combo system gives them while love what the mvc2 system gave them. They hate having 5 minutes to OTG(and infinite OTGs), they despise the TAC mechanic(0 risk) and they think x factor is broken. They also hate the mvc2 imbalance but their love for the combo system makes them also play mid tier characters a lot and do amazing things with them(super jump cancelling, suki cancelling, FSD setups). I like both games so it's interesting to hear both sides.
 
Chavelo said:
But no one plays the game in my local scene. :/
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Welp, I guess it's time for the banhammer to fall on them SRK spammers.
~Devil Trigger~ said:
I would love to ask the creative director of MVC3 or the Marvel Advisor this...

What was the logic behind Berseker Charge not being a healing Super of some sort? why a speed boost?

I'd make wolverine a low health character, that constantly gets health with meter, and besides regaining health he does a bit extra damage.
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The healing fits with his character, but this is some LOLworthy stuff.
 
Terareflection said:
Do you have the results for the rest of the tourneys aside from the big three?
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I will have the FULL results along with complete payout info soon. Just so tired from the tourney now... They'll be posted in the ARK V results thread on SRK.

Also, HUGE shoutout to USD for helping promote the tournament. Thank you so much :) You're awesome!
 
gutabo said:
Damn, I'm late to the discussion :(

Coming from a marvel 2 background I can say that the complain I hear the most is that most OGs I know feel like it's not really MvC3 but TvC2. They hate the mvc3 combo system gives them while love what the mvc2 system gave them. They hate having 5 minutes to OTG(and infinite OTGs), they despise the TAC mechanic(0 risk) and they think x factor is broken. They also hate the mvc2 imbalance but their love for the combo system makes them also play mid tier characters a lot and do amazing things with them(super jump cancelling, suki cancelling, FSD setups). I like both games so it's interesting to hear both sides.
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You can definitely see where the "Anime" style games and TvC influenced the development of MvC3 in different areas (And vice versa) - I don't see it as a bad thing, though. They made a lot of decisions that were designed to make the game easy to pick up on a casual level. The TAC balance is the one area where they really seemed to let the game get away from them, though.
 
It would be cool if Joe spent meter per second to slow the screen instead of it being a targetted debuff.

QisTopTier said:
Why? Isn't that pretty much what dante's devil trigger does?
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I think he was reading it as "the more meter you have, the more Wolverine heals". Like a passive effect.
 
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