"Anti-obesity: The new homophobia?"

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How about just not trying to insult, discriminate and degrade any type of person, huh?

I know I don't personally do those things, maybe some people do on GAF. Lot of us that have been overweight and have taken steps to change it look back on those days when we made a lot of excuses about it being more fun to eat what we wanted, or that we'd rather sit and watch TV and eat ice cream every night than work out. So I personally see a lot of myself in these people, and I was very unhappy at that time, so I pity them more than anything and would love to help people get out of that situation because I know they probably have low self esteem about their body and don't feel like they can change.

My point still stands that being overweight is something that is mostly chosen, being gay isn't.
 
One is mostly self chosen and can be changed, the other is genetic. There's no equivalency here.
are there differences? yes, but they go both ways: being obese attracts massive health problems on top of the social/psychological and is constantly in plain sight of everyone.
 
Erm, transitioning to eating healthier meant that I did do this more often. That I bought less processed foods that were stored for long periods of time and bought mostly for that week rather than for weeks.

Yes, but what I'm saying is that this either takes good planning on what meals will be cooked for the week, or it just takes the ability to tolerate the same old, same old for a while. "Chicken breast is on sale! I know what we're having all week!" Yeah, that can sound good on paper when you're at the store, but after night three in a row of staring down the same dinner, it can get to be kind of a "meh" reaction.

And if you aren't in the routine of knowing how to make a variety of dishes that are quick and easy, I think it's entirely possible to give into the temptation to take nights off, perhaps too often. "Ugh, the food isn't defrosted, I had to work late, I'm hungry, one or both of us doesn't even want another night of X... fuck it, let's just order pizza!"

Now, I'm not trying to make excuses. Just explain thought processes.
 
I think we're well beyond judging when someone is ordering nearly 20 plates of food.
i thought those were figurative numbers. i don't think it's possible to eat that much in one sitting for a human being. if it is, it's still not how the vast majority of obese people behave.
 
Well, I'm fat. And I know I would be healthier, fitter and more attractive if I lose the extra weight. However, in order to do so is not enough to eat healthy and exercise regularly, which I do. I have to starve if I want to lose the extra weight (spent way more calories that the ones I consume).
This is starvation. Consuming less calories and eventually adapting to it most definitely doesn't count as starvation. There are fit people with demanding jobs, there's really no excuse other than "I'm okay being like this", and that's 100% respectable in my opinion.
 
i thought those were figurative numbers. i don't think it's possible to eat that much in one sitting for a human being. if it is, it's still not how the vast majority of obese people behave.

depends on what a plate is.

All you can eat sushi or those train style sushi places? Better believe I eat more than 20 plates.

My peers drug themselves with massive amounts of nicotine, caffeine and alcohol in order to keep up with the work load, I don't. However, I do indulge myself with not dieting at this point of my life. I do exercise regularly and eat healthy, I don't drive, I jog to work and back. I do 1k crunches every night. I don't eat seven cheese burgers every night either, I only drink water and sugar free tea. But I have decided to give my body all the calories he request in order to be comfortable. Does that makes me a lesser human?

No need to starve yourself and crunches have a very minimal impact on fat loss.
 
Also, I've been poor most of my life and when that made it annoying (not impossible) to only go with healthy options, you know what I did? I ate less to counter for the shitty calories. It's called self control. Those whining about how helpless of a situation their obesity is annoy me about as much as religious people who deny scientific facts staring them in the face. I don't attack them, but you damn well bet I lose all patience and sympathy and become cynical. They can go ahead and fix their shit on their own whenever they decide to face reality.

I don't think the goal is to argue why it's a helpless situation with no possible cure in as much as it is to shed light on the fact that we all have our faults and that different variables factor into people's lives in variable ways.
 
are there differences? yes, but they go both ways: being obese attracts massive health problems on top of the social/psychological and is constantly in plain sight of everyone.

Can you rephrase this? I'm not sure what you're saying. Sorry.

If people are looking for answers as far as how to get fit, I recommend going to the fitness thread, reading the OP, and then asking for advice.
 
Yes, but what I'm saying is that this either takes good planning on what meals will be cooked for the week, or it just takes the ability to tolerate the same old, same old for a while. "Chicken breast is on sale! I know what we're having all week!" Yeah, that can sound good on paper when you're at the store, but after night three in a row of staring down the same dinner, it can get to be kind of a "meh" reaction.

And if you aren't in the routine of knowing how to make a variety of dishes that are quick and easy, I think it's entirely possible to give into the temptation to take nights off, perhaps too often. "Ugh, the food isn't defrosted, I had to work late, I'm hungry, one or both of us doesn't even want another night of X... fuck it, let's just order pizza!"

Now, I'm not trying to make excuses. Just explain thought processes.
I can understand that, but even if you treat yourself to takeout, there's usually a healthier option offered than what you'd usually pick. Pizza is universally pretty terrible for your body, instead of pizza, why not Black bean chinese chicken? That kind of thing.

There's nothing wrong with treating yourself to takeout once a week, it's when people eat the wrong stuff every night that it adds up.
 
This is starvation. Consuming less calories and eventually adapting to it most definitely doesn't count as starvation. There are fit people with demanding jobs, there's really no excuse other than "I'm okay being like this", and that's 100% respectable in my opinion.

I dont think that's respectable. It's like saying its respectable if someone's an alcoholic and fine with it. It's still wrong.
 
This is starvation. Consuming less calories and eventually adapting to it most definitely doesn't count as starvation. There are fit people with demanding jobs, there's really no excuse other than "I'm okay being like this", and that's 100% respectable in my opinion.
it's still a silly way of approaching the problem. just eat more fat and less carbs and you'll be less hungry and in a better metabolic state.
 
This is starvation. Consuming less calories and eventually adapting to it most definitely doesn't count as starvation. There are fit people with demanding jobs, there's really no excuse other than "I'm okay being like this", and that's 100% respectable in my opinion.
You know what I meant. But anyway, I'm not saying that working people can't be fit, I would probably be fit myself with my current life style If I hadn't gained all this extra weight earlier in my life. I'm not gaining weight at all atm. I actually lost a bit this year, but not enough to claim that I'm actually fighting against my excess of weight.
 
I don't think the goal is to argue why it's a helpless situation with no possible cure in as much as it is to shed light on the fact that we all have our faults and that different variables factor into people's lives in variable ways.

Actually, the goal needs to be to shed light on reasons help people take corrective actions to improve their health and well being. Simply understanding is not a solution to anything. It's a means to an end, and that end needs to be reduced waist lines. Fuck accepting faults, we need to shore up faults so that people can grow and improve.
 
I have little sympathy for those overweight. They probably should do something about it, but they don't have to. I know some people may have some genetic curse, but everyone I know that is overweight has obvious causes. Eat like shit. Minimal Or pretty much zero exercise. Alcohol. The usual. Unfortunately for them, I know people that live the same lifestyle and aren't overweight and that's the luck of the genetic draw.

Can't do anything about being a homosexual, nor should anyone want to. Comparison is stupid, and an insult to homosexuals
 
I dont think that's respectable. It's like saying its respectable if someone's an alcoholic and fine with it. It's still wrong.
Well, yeah, I just mean that I respect if he's okay with it instead of saying "nope, it's completely impossible for me to lose weight because of reasons that don't stop other people from being fit".
 
Eating healthy is definitely not cheaper than eating like shit, even when your weekly meals pander to sales within that given week. That claim always has and always will be complete bullshit.

Nothing healthy is going to be cheaper than cheap $1 shit you can get in the frozen aisle.
 
I know why the people in my family who are overweight are overweight. It's very simple:

1.) Larger than necessary portions of food.

4.) Zero -- NONE -- exercise. They stand during work, but that's it. Worse yet, they're the types that will do 5 minutes of leg exercises and convince themselves that now they've "exercised for the day."

5.) Several hours of coach potato'ing daily.

I want to address a couple of these points, because they are grossly inaccurate. People keep reiterating them despite there being tons of evidence to the contrary.

1) The idea that obese people are obese because they eat more than people who are skinny is wrong. Studies have repeatedly shown that people who are obese, on average, eat the same or slightly less than those who are not overweight. The vast majority of overweight/obese people didn't gain 50 pounds in a month from food binges - they gained it slowly over time as the body stored slightly more fat away than it burned for energy.

2) Exercise does not help with conventional weight loss. Exercise increases one's activity level, which in turn increases energy burned, which makes you hungry. The body raises or lowers metabolism to match the energy it expends. When combined with a low-fat diet (the type of diet currently recommended by our government), all you are doing is making people really, really hungry. So they end up eating more, negating any calorie loss due to exercise.

3) I'd argue that an equal percentage of people who are of a healthy weight "couch potato" just as much as those who are overweight. Yet, because they are skinny, this isn't unhealthy. It's a double standard.

This is starvation. Consuming less calories and eventually adapting to it most definitely doesn't count as starvation. There are fit people with demanding jobs, there's really no excuse other than "I'm okay being like this", and that's 100% respectable in my opinion.
Telling people to eat fewer calories, especially on a low-fat diet, does not work. It is true that the body will adapt to the reduced calorie intake - but it does so by simply lowering metabolism to match the reduced energy intake. There will be no sustainable weightloss. People on these diets become lethargic, unhappy, and irritable. Ancel Keys' (one of the first leading proponents of low-fat diets) own study on calorie restriction showed this - his subjects lost only a couple pounds, even on starvation diets, and most of them became immensely depressed during the course of the study.
 
it's still a silly way of approaching the problem. just eat more fat and less carbs and you'll be less hungry and in a better metabolic state.
When you begin a phrase with "just eat..." it is very likely you are providing poor diet advice.

There is no magic bullet. The problem needs to be dealt with holistically.

Eating healthy is definitely not cheaper than eating like shit, even when your weekly meals pander to sales within that given week. That claim always has and always will be complete bullshit.

Nothing healthy is going to be cheaper than cheap $1 shit you can get in the frozen aisle.
100% wrong.

I posted examples contrary to this on the last page.

Vegetables, frozen chicken, even whitefish are all things you can find in or around the "$1 shit aisle."

If you are talking about prep time for a meal, that's one thing. But cost is hardly an argument.
 
Eating healthy is definitely not cheaper than eating like shit, even when your weekly meals pander to sales within that given week. That claim always has and always will be complete bullshit.
As I mentioned before, here in Mexico vegetables are dirt cheap. As in, with a single McDonald's meal you could buy cauliflower for all week. And Mexico is the second most obese country in the world.
 
Eating healthy is definitely not cheaper than eating like shit, even when your weekly meals pander to sales within that given week. That claim always has and always will be complete bullshit.

Nothing healthy is going to be cheaper than cheap $1 shit you can get in the frozen aisle.

Not only is eating healthy more expensive, it's also the most time consuming. We live in a lazy society, and microwaving hot pockets appeals to more people that roasting a chicken. Fast food is quicker than healthy food at a restaurant.
 
I really hate the anti-obesity thing.
I automatically assumes the worst about people.

If you looked at a black person and thought "I bet they're lazy and like to steal" You'd be racist.

If you look at a fat person and think "I bet their lazy and eat a ton." You're ok, you're just health conscious. Fact is you don't know, if they're that way because they're lazy or if they eat a ton or if they have a sickness, or physical impairment, or mental illness. I've heard the excuses, "Well by and large most fat people are that way because they're lazy." If you replaced fat with a name of a race you would never say that. Fact is you don't know why it is they're the way they are so just shut up about it.
 
As I mentioned before, here in Mexico vegetables are dirt cheap. As in, with a single McDonald's meal you could buy cauliflower for all week. And Mexico is the second most obese country in the world.

"Le coca es la leche del pobre". The problem with Mexico imo is the massive consumption of soda and sugary drinks in general. At some eating places you can't even find plain water.
 
There is a lot of abuse and bigotry aimed at fat people, but to go pro obesity? That is stupidity of the highest order.

Which is why I've been very disheartened by the views of many black female celebs like Mo'Nique. People should be confident and proud, but advocating obesity is wrong. No one is saying everyone should be thin but championing unhealthy eating and laughing off exercise is not the way to go
 
Eating healthy is definitely not cheaper than eating like shit, even when your weekly meals pander to sales within that given week. That claim always has and always will be complete bullshit.

Nothing healthy is going to be cheaper than cheap $1 shit you can get in the frozen aisle.
I could buy a sack of potatoes for £1 where I live and that's my lunch all week if I wanted to have the same thing every day. Or make my own soup for super cheap in a batch. Or buy a huge ass bag of pasta or rice.

I've saved so much money since eating healthier.
 
When you begin a phrase with "just eat..." it is very likely you are providing poor diet advice.

There is no magic bullet. The problem needs to be dealt with holistically.


100% wrong.

I posted examples contrary to this on the last page.

Vegetables, frozen chicken, even whitefish are all things you can find in or around the "$1 shit aisle."

If you are talking about prep time for a meal, that's one thing. But cost is hardly an argument.

Even if you go the cheapest route possible, ie. a bag of frozen chicken, a bunch of bags of frozen vegetables (they don't last very long) and something long lasting for breakfast like oatmeal (which isn't even healthy), it's still going to cost more than $3 a day it'd cost you to eat like complete shit.

I could buy a sack of potatoes for £1 where I live and that's my lunch all week if I wanted to have the same thing every day. Or make my own soup for super cheap in a batch. Or buy a huge ass bag of pasta or rice.

I've saved so much money since eating healthier.

Potatoes aren't exactly healthy...
 
Fat acceptance is worse than anti-obesity if yoou ask me.
At least anti-obesity is based on bettering your health status.
Fat acceptance is just justifying being a lazy, undisciplined fuck in most cases.
 
Even if you go the cheapest route possible, ie. a bag of frozen chicken, a bunch of bags of frozen vegetables (they don't last very long) and something long lasting for breakfast like oatmeal (which isn't even healthy), it's still going to cost more than $3 a day it'd cost you to eat like complete shit.

The only situation in which I can imagine this is true is if a person eats only three dollar menu meals a day.

If you don't mind, could you provide examples of what you would consider cheap, unhealthy eating? Is it fast food only, or are you thinking store-bought as well?
 
Can you rephrase this? I'm not sure what you're saying. Sorry.
with any comparison there are differences or else there'd be nothing to compare. so yes, you cannot just swap some nouns to make them have the same definition - but that doesn't change the core similarity of both being major sources of greatly undeserved psychological and social grief. what i was specifically pointing out is that while homosexuality is probably worse in that you can't change it, don't forget that obesity isn't just homosexuality-light - it has additional and different challenges associated with it.
Stop shoving your faces with food, fatasses.
not the major cause of obesity or a good remedy
 
I really hate the anti-obesity thing.
I automatically assumes the worst about people.

If you looked at a black person and thought "I bet they're lazy and like to steal" You'd be racist.

If you look at a fat person and think "I bet their lazy and eat a ton." You're ok, you're just health conscious. Fact is you don't know, if they're that way because they're lazy or if they eat a ton or if they have a sickness, or physical impairment, or mental illness. I've heard the excuses, "Well by and large most fat people are that way because they're lazy." If you replaced fat with a name of a race you would never say that. Fact is you don't know why it is they're the way they are so just shut up about it.

Yes, I agree with this. Psychological problems can be an important factor as well. When you suffer from Bi-polar or Major Depression or a myriad of other conditions eating heathly goes on the backburner. When you're sick and don't care what happens to you, thawing out chicken breast sort of loses it's allure.
 
"Le coca es la leche del pobre". The problem with Mexico imo is the massive consumption of soda and sugary drinks in general. At some eating places you can't even find plain water.
Not to mention Mexican food is mostly deep fried carbs.
 
why do you think they want your sympathy?

this whole attitude is so bizarre

theyll get no sympathy from me!

I don't think that. What I mean to say is you can't compare the struggle of a people for who naturally are compared to those who choose to tax themselves and all of society with unhealthy habits.
 
Potatoes aren't exactly healthy...
Well I've been eating potatoes nearly every day and still losing weight. Guess it's a lot healthier than what I used to eat. What about all the other stuff I listed? Make your own soup for cheap or make a rice dish or pasta. All healthier than the alternatives.

People make excuses, but it's healthier and cheaper.
 
Eating healthy is definitely not cheaper than eating like shit, even when your weekly meals pander to sales within that given week. That claim always has and always will be complete bullshit.

Nothing healthy is going to be cheaper than cheap $1 shit you can get in the frozen aisle.

The issue is that eating fast food is cheaper in the short term. The health problems caused from eating fast food as your main source of food are going to cost you more in the long run and give someone a lower quality of life than if they spent a small amount more per meal and ate healthy. And I'm not so sure that it's always so much more expensive to eat healthy. We pretty much shop around the edge of the grocery store for the most part and eat lots of veggies, dairy, and meat. The really expensive stuff tends to be in the frozen section with all the prepared meals in a bag.
 
I really hate the anti-obesity thing.
I automatically assumes the worst about people.

If you looked at a black person and thought "I bet they're lazy and like to steal" You'd be racist.

If you look at a fat person and think "I bet their lazy and eat a ton." You're ok, you're just health conscious. Fact is you don't know, if they're that way because they're lazy or if they eat a ton or if they have a sickness, or physical impairment, or mental illness. I've heard the excuses, "Well by and large most fat people are that way because they're lazy." If you replaced fat with a name of a race you would never say that. Fact is you don't know why it is they're the way they are so just shut up about it.

Exactly. The immediate reaction people have to people who are overweight, and especially to obese, is disgusting.

"Shaming" fat people is becoming increasingly ridiculous in a society that as a whole promotes unthinking lifestyles, structurally encourages bad habits and unhealthy eating, and does everything it can to economically prosper off feeding people poorly and selling them diet plans at the exact same time.

It's like a Mad Magazine strip about hypocrisy. Only it's real. And everywhere.

By that same token, I think there's also an argument to be made that the "fat acceptance" organizations and movements may be playing into the hands of society, while trying to do the right thing in a misguided manner. They are attempting to respond to the hatred and scorn directed at the overweight, but rather than focus on a holistic picture about what's wrong with society, they focus on immediate defense only against mean people.

Some people approach the issue in simple terms, and think that because obesity and poor living are increasing rapidly in the west, everyone should just become more cynical, cruel, rude, and attack-oriented. I don't think that is problem solving.

Rather, the fact that such a society-wide phenomenon is spreading so fast points to sweeping problems that need to be addressed in a far more serious and objective manner than "LOL FATTIES UR STUPID CUZ U EAT LOTS". You don't change that much of society by pointing and laughing, but by engaging people.

In shorter terms, a lot of people who LOL at weight don't seem to have any interest whatsoever in the welfare of the overweight person, though they may pay lip service to it. They are just disturbed and expressing it defensively, by objectifying and dehumanizing the other.

This post is also excellent.
 
At least anti-obesity is based on bettering your health status.

Again, I'd like to argue that it's rather disingenuous to spin pure mockery and derision as advocacy for better health. No, I don't think it's wrong or insensitive to encourage healthier lifestyles. But that's not the real endgame of making fun of fat people and offering pure condescension, which is clearly more about making oneself feel better at the expense of another.
 
Its not impossible to eat healthy when you are poor,but its not that easy when you have a limited budget and need food rather than worrying about if its good for you.
 
The only situation in which I can imagine this is true is if a person eats only three dollar menu meals a day.

I've been on both sides of nutrition.

These:
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Are like 2-3 for a dollar, and they're perfectly filling.

These:
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Are anywhere from 50 cents to a dollar each, and are pretty damned filling.

I've seen Safeway have a Safeway branded bag of 100+ Pizza rolls for as little as 6 bucks. There is absolutely no way in hell I can eat this cheaply while eating healthy, I know, because I've been trying for the last few years. Sales, coupons, buying bulk and shopping across different stores for different things. It doesn't matter, it's not going to be this cheap.
 
It's not just about cost. Unhealthy food often tastes better and lasts longer. It also makes people feel "full" faster
 
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