Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC

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I know there is constant talk about Cranston's incredible acting in this series, but although I find myself consistently amazed by his work, that final scene (prior to the shooting) between Walt and Mike- S5E7- was phenomenal.

Watching that "I'm Heisenberg. I'm a boss" facade start to crack and collapse, seeing him visibly shaking (pride being shattered? legitimate fear of Mike?), he wants to man up to Mike but he can't, a moment where he's trying to keep his strength together, but the weakness is seeping out in a pathetic, albeit understandable, way...
Just Master-Class acting right there. Wow.


We are at Ground Zero now. Much like the final episodes of The Shield, this train no longer has any breaks. It's not a question of "happy ending or sad ending?", it's a question of "how much collateral damage."


So my question for those that have watched all of The Shield and are caught up to BB:
What do you consider the 'breaking' (lol) point of this show? For example, in The Shield I would consider that the death of Lem. After that moment any possible chance of happy endings (or more specifically, any chance the Strike Team gets out of all their messes) was completely gone. That was also the point where the next two seasons just felt like one big, tragic epilogue. There was no going back, the wheels had fallen off, etc.
I'm having a hard time pin-pointing one in particular with BB. Gus' assassination seems too easy, but it's the one my mind keeps going back to.
 
Even after all of the horrible things that Walt has done over the course of the series, am I the only one that still thinks that deep down the old Walt is still there, and deep inside he is still a good guy even though the show is titled "Breaking Bad"? It wouldn't shock me if in the end, when Hank gets the ball rolling on Walt's final end, if at the very end Walt does something, or tries to do something, to bring him redemption. After he does even worse stuff I imagine so you don't have too much sympathy for him, but still...
 
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Downhome said:
Even after all of the horrible things that Walt has done over the course of the series, am I the only one that still thinks that deep down the old Walt is still there, and deep inside he is still a good guy even though the show is titled "Breaking Bad"? It wouldn't shock me if in the end, when Hank gets the ball rolling on Walt's final end, if at the very end Walt does something, or tries to do something, to bring him redemption. After he does even worse stuff I imagine so you don't have too much sympathy for him, but still...
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He's become an evil, irredeemable asshole in my book. I'm just looking forward to him getting his comeuppance one way or another.
 
TheJollyCorner said:
I know there is constant talk about Cranston's incredible acting in this series, but although I find myself consistently amazed by his work, that final scene (prior to the shooting) between Walt and Mike- S5E7- was phenomenal.

Watching that "I'm Heisenberg. I'm a boss" facade start to crack and collapse, seeing him visibly shaking (pride being shattered? legitimate fear of Mike?), he wants to man up to Mike but he can't, a moment where he's trying to keep his strength together, but the weakness is seeping out in a pathetic, albeit understandable, way...
Just Master-Class acting right there. Wow.


We are at Ground Zero now. Much like the final episodes of The Shield, this train no longer has any breaks. It's not a question of "happy ending or sad ending?", it's a question of "how much collateral damage."


So my question for those that have watched all of The Shield and are caught up to BB:
What do you consider the 'breaking' (lol) point of this show? For example, in The Shield I would consider that the death of Lem. After that moment any possible chance of happy endings (or more specifically, any chance the Strike Team gets out of all their messes) was completely gone. That was also the point where the next two seasons just felt like one big, tragic epilogue. There was no going back, the wheels had fallen off, etc.
I'm having a hard time pin-pointing one in particular with BB. Gus' assassination seems too easy, but it's the one my mind keeps going back to.
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To me it'd be a similar point. The first huge breach of trust between our plucky protagonists. It's when Walt let Jane die among all the other events surrounding that. When Walt made that coolly calculated decision to let someone he could save die to serve some greater good only he understands, that's when Walt became a monster.

But really I think this'll be different for everyone in BB. Every time Walt does something worse some new batch of people come along and can't be rooting for him anymore. For me it was Jane, for others it was Brock, and for others it was Mike.
 
Vlad said:
No, we saw neither, but for me, we saw enough of Gale, both from the scenes he was in and the shots of his notebook, for me to buy that he'd be enough of a goofy little suckup to give Walt something like that.
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Oh okay, that's disappointing then. I don't understand why Hank would find out about Walt by that book if it had never even really been mentioned before. Oh well, hopefully it won't really matter once the second half begins.
 
EdibleExplosives said:
Not if we saw it two seasons ago, or even if we just saw Gale giving Walt the book.
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I don't know, I think it's too obvious of a foreshadow. I like the idea of Walt with this book, and seeing him read it a while ago. And then finding out it was a gift from Gale now, just as it fucks him. Seems more meaningful in retrospect, thinking back on those scenes.

Maybe it's just me.

Patrick Bateman said:
Umm, the question may be a tad too late, but has Gilligan ever sad why they split the fiffth season into two parts?
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business is business man. Compromise between him and AMC.
 
Patrick Bateman said:
Umm, the question may be a tad too late, but has Gilligan ever sad why they split the fiffth season into two parts?
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No clue.

BUT, given how the season ended and the fact that it's going to be a year before we get the "2nd half"... wouldn't it make more sense to call it season 6?
 
It's to do with contractual pay rise shit isn't it? If they called it another season they'd have to raise everyone's salary. Or am I making that up...

And the reason they're splitting it is to give them more time to get all 16 episodes right. Doing 16 in a year could have been messy
 
Superimposer said:
It's to do with contractual pay rise shit isn't it? If they called it another season they'd have to raise everyone's salary. Or am I making that up...

And the reason they're splitting it is to give them more time to get all 16 episodes right. Doing 16 in a year could have been messy
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IMO, it's more of a fact that they know they can milk it. They can release an episode a year for 16 years and people will still watch it.

I think that they know people are going to stop watching AMC the moment Mad Men and Breaking Bad are done. The Walking Dead is decent but doesn't want subscription. Since Dish dropped their ass, they need to ensure DirecTV doesn't do the same anytime soon.
 
Superimposer said:
It's to do with contractual pay rise shit isn't it? If they called it another season they'd have to raise everyone's salary. Or am I making that up...

And the reason they're splitting it is to give them more time to get all 16 episodes right. Doing 16 in a year could have been messy
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Vince Gilligan purportedly wanted to end the series with this next season in one fell swoop. There were disagreements and a lengthy negotiation process occurred between Sony Pictures and AMC — hence the ending of season 4 being conclusive and lacking the open-ended nature of the past season finales.

They were able to secure sixteen episodes (three more than usual) and decided to split it into two broadcast seasons. This allows AMC to get another "season" out of the series and grants the production team more time to conclude the show on a proper note.
 
Patrick Bateman said:
Umm, the question may be a tad too late, but has Gilligan ever sad why they split the fiffth season into two parts?
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My understanding of the situation and negotiations: AMC wanted to continue running the show indefinitely, but Gilligan, not wanting to overstay his welcome and run the series into the ground, was planning on just doing a single additional season of 13 episodes that would be S5. The compromise they reached was to do a 16 episode final season that would be split into two 8-episode parts. This helps AMC as they get to keep the show on the air an additional two years, and it also means the contracts work out a little better since it's technically only one more season. Gilligan gets to finish the show more or less on his own terms since 16 episodes is only 3 more than what he originally wanted. Thus, we're getting Season 5.1 this Summer (8 episodes) and Season 5.2 in Summer 2013 (8 episodes). 5.2 will presumably start up in July. They begin shooting in November. fin.
 
Now it's half past four...

Seriously though, after seeing Tod's uncle and his crew I'm surprised Mike saw them as 'no big deal'. If they make synchronized shanking look like an olympic sport than I imagine they could be a problem. Now Tod has (most of) the knowledge and they have the distributor layed out, those guys look like they will try to take out Walt or Jesse to make sure there are no loose ends. I don't see how Jesse gets back into the story without them coming for him.
 
BobTheFork said:
Now it's half past four...

Seriously though, after seeing Tod's uncle and his crew I'm surprised Mike saw them as 'no big deal'. If they make synchronized shanking look like an olympic sport than I imagine they could be a problem. Now Tod has (most of) the knowledge and they have the distributor layed out, those guys look like they will try to take out Walt or Jesse to make sure there are no loose ends. I don't see how Jesse gets back into the story without them coming for him.
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Jesse isn't connected to the Gus trail as far as anyone could see. Those 10 had to die because without Mike providing the legacy costs, they would talk. Regardless of him living or dying, Walt needed the names because he wasn't going to pay them.

I see a lot of people thought Walt was going to kill Jesse when he gave him the money but I didn't get that at all. He isn't in any immediate danger for now and there's not a chance in hell he's going to just turn himself in.
 
Papercuts said:
Jesse isn't connected to the Gus trail as far as anyone could see. Those 10 had to die because without Mike providing the legacy costs, they would talk. Regardless of him living or dying, Walt needed the names because he wasn't going to pay them.

I see a lot of people thought Walt was going to kill Jesse when he gave him the money but I didn't get that at all. He isn't in any immediate danger for now and there's not a chance in hell he's going to just turn himself in.
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I would say that Jesse's in danger from Declan and to a lesser extent, the prison guys. Just because he's been able to lay low for 3 months doesn't mean he's safe.
 
rekameohs said:
I would say that Jesse's in danger from Declan and to a lesser extent, the prison guys. Just because he's been able to lay low for 3 months doesn't mean he's safe.
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Declan, maybe. If Walt really is backing out, I'm not sure how that will go down with the deal they made.

The prison guys only went after those 10 because of Walt and Todd, and I feel like Todd respects Walt and wouldn't just do something like that.
 
Papercuts said:
Jesse isn't connected to the Gus trail as far as anyone could see. Those 10 had to die because without Mike providing the legacy costs, they would talk. Regardless of him living or dying, Walt needed the names because he wasn't going to pay them.

I see a lot of people thought Walt was going to kill Jesse when he gave him the money but I didn't get that at all. He isn't in any immediate danger for now and there's not a chance in hell he's going to just turn himself in.
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True about the 10 guy but what about Tod himself? I knows Jesse and if Walt bails there is no way Tod and his family don't try to move in on that money. If he see's Jesse as a threat or is just pissed he got punched then it will come up again.
 
Papercuts said:
I see a lot of people thought Walt was going to kill Jesse when he gave him the money but I didn't get that at all. He isn't in any immediate danger for now and there's not a chance in hell he's going to just turn himself in.
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Same here, especially since it was pretty obvious the money was in there, given that it was third in a sequence of scenes involving Walter coming to his realisation and making things right (first the pile of money, then the hand dryer). I knew all along it was the money, and I suck at seeing stuff like this, so the tension of Jesse opening the bag didn't really land for me. Same can be said for the hand dryer part. Doesn't make either of them less powerful for me though.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I don't know, I think it's too obvious of a foreshadow. I like the idea of Walt with this book, and seeing him read it a while ago. And then finding out it was a gift from Gale now, just as it fucks him. Seems more meaningful in retrospect, thinking back on those scenes.

Maybe it's just me.
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It doesn't really bother me as much as some people in this thread, I just would've liked if it was at least hinted at before hand. Knowing Hank knows now though hopefully means we're in for 8 incredible episodes.
 
BobTheFork said:
True about the 10 guy but what about Tod himself? I knows Jesse and if Walt bails there is no way Tod and his family don't try to move in on that money. If he see's Jesse as a threat or is just pissed he got punched then it will come up again.
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I think if Todd would feel something like this he wouldn't just act on it, especially after shooting the kid. If this does crop up I anticipate it to be a role reversal of when Mike would try to shoot Walt and Jesse was always the guy holding him back. Walt still cares about Jesse and wouldn't let that happen...atleast as far as the show currently is.
 
Papercuts said:
I think if Todd would feel something like this he wouldn't just act on it, especially after shooting the kid. If this does crop up I anticipate it to be a role reversal of when Mike would try to shoot Walt and Jesse was always the guy holding him back. Walt still cares about Jesse and wouldn't let that happen...atleast as far as the show currently is.
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I think he would act on it without question. If it become an issue of saving his ass if/when he takes over than of course he would. Why did Walter have the 10 killed, they might be able to put him in jail. Why would Tod try to kill Jesse or walt (or maybe Tod's relation try it... because Walt and Jesse know who they are could put them in jail.
 
Nemo said:
I don't get it, did anything really foretold that something bad was going to happen? I never thought this for a sec until he started becoming really nervous looking at the bag, they should've build that moment up a bit more IMO. When he said he has something for Jesse it was obviously the money
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Walt gave him a "there is no we," speech before that. He has seen Walt kill people in creative ways. Walt is a bastard who whistles after brushing off the murder of a child in conversation.
 
Spring-Loaded said:
Walt gave him a "there is no we," speech before that. He has seen Walt kill people in creative ways. Walt is a bastard who whistles after brushing off the murder of a child in conversation.
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He also knows that Walt just had 10 people in prison killed, Jesse would obviously be nervous around Walt in case he was planning the same for him.
 
I didn't think Walt was coming to kill Jesse but it's obvious why Jesse would think such a thing, lol. Walt can be pretty coldblooded, and he probably thought he was the final loose end.

But he just game for some friendly reminiscing.
 
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