Antisemitism a problem that needs to be fixed

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Regardless of race or religion there are always subverters that "sell out" their own culture. And there are always ignorant groups that will take what a minority of people do with a majority of power and apply it to the entire people.
I love Jews and non Jews, there are some that do not share that mindset, some are Jews and some are non Jews. What happened to the Polish people was horribly tragic due to Germany's action, we do not hear about that as much I do not know why. Not to take anything away from anyone but the political power of some countries are much stronger in the world and their influences are greater than others. I wish all people would treat each other with love and respect no matter what.
 
Yka said:
So the information about the ownership is not true?
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Using an openly anti-Semetic outlet makes it very hard to take seriously, even if it might consist of certain factual statements. Tho I think the CEO is Jewish but calling Disney "Jew controlled" without citing what the owners are as they did with the others is pretty conspicuous.
 
Yka said:
So the information about the ownership is not true?
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Neither Rupert Murdoch nor his mother is Jewish. Conspiracy theorists cite this only because her last name is Greene. I don't feel like going down the rest of the list.

But at least you've proven the worthiness of the OP without even mentioning Israel! So... bravo.
 
What exactly is the point if a lot of Jewish people own news outlets, anyway?


Newsflash: A lot of Jews are into communications or the arts or creative fields in some way.

My alma mater is over 20% Jewish, and has the top journalism school in the country. Guess what: a lot of those kids are Jewish!
 
Any racism is bad. Jewish people aren't special.

Everyone is stereotyped. Everyone is attacked. It's all bullshit and should all be stopped. Not just against Jewish people.
 
Yka said:
Yeah, it's one of the Brother Nathanael's sites. He's quite a character... Link
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Then why are you citing it, when the very first instance of "media control" is already proven incorrect and not Jewish-owned?

Enco said:
Any racism is bad. Jewish people aren't special.

Everyone is stereotyped. Everyone is attacked. It's all bullshit and should all be stopped. Not just against Jewish people.
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Yes, but platitudes like "Any racism is bad" doesn't solve anything. Each racism is unique. The ways anti-Semitism has been rooted in Europe and the ways it's flourished is different than the way anti-Tutsi racism was rooted in Rwanda and the ways it was allowed to flourish. It's important to bring these to the forefront.
 
Yka said:
But it seems that they are owned by Jewish people:



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Rupert Murdoch is not Jewish. At all. His maternal great grandmother may have been Jewish according to some sources, but other sources say she was baptised Christian at the age of...one. So meh. The guy is not Jewish.
 
What an offensive thread. Jews are not the only Semitic people around, and the fact that it´s only used for them is extremely offensive to other Semitic people.
 
Why isn't anybody talking about how the Jews used Michael Jackson to create a gender-bending image to corrupt pure white people, which ultimately led to Jacko sexually molesting children and overdosing on decadence?

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Phoenician_Viking said:
What an offensive thread. Jews are not the only Semitic people around, and the fact that it´s only used for them is extremely offensive to other Semitic people.
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Congrats on attempting to minimize an actual topic with a tired semantic argument.
 
I'm going to get slammed for this, but here it goes.

I don't like the term anti-semite, it's absolutely ridiculous.

First of all, anyone trying to deny that the western world was shaped entirely by the Rothschilds and central bankers is just turning a blind eye and wallowing in their arrogance by acting as if they and their forefathers 'control their own destiny'. The majority of movements funded by these groups have molded society into what we see today in America; the classes completely out of balance. Not to great for the everyman, paradise for those above the bracket. We have a tendency to 'live for the day' and embrace 'feel-good' philosophies that may be detrimental to our well-being in the long run both financial and biologically. It's hard for me to feel sorry for people that are downtrodden in finances or doped up on pills to cope with depression and borderline personality disorder (which studies have shown is almost an exclusively 'western' dysfunction) because they defend the very poison that is making them ill. The west is like a 3 year old who doesn't want to go to bed before their parents do, they don't understand that this will make them feel the next day. Staying up makes them feel good right now, so why shouldn't they have fun?

But let's completely ignore that and go to the racial part of the term anti-semite that bothers me.

If Ashkenazis Jews want to claim that they are semite, that's fine but they don't have a monopoly on the word.

I'm not a supporter of Israel or Zionism, in fact I vehemently oppose both. I sympathize with the Palestinians and have many Arab friends.

Many other middle-easterners are Semitic, including Arabs.

It's like saying that someone is 'anti-Korean' if they oppose the policies, philosophies, and way of life of North Koreans. Nobody should have to feel guilty for being displeased with the actions and policies of a culture, but disliking an individual, another human life, based purely on race is ridiculous.
 
SuperAngelo64 said:
I'm going to get slammed for this, but here it goes.

I don't like the term anti-semite, it's absolutely ridiculous.

First of all, anyone trying to deny that the western world was shaped entirely by the Rothschilds and central bankers is just turning a blind eye and wallowing in their arrogance by acting as if they and their forefathers 'control their own destiny'. The majority of movements funded by these groups have molded society into what we see today in America; the classes completely out of balance. Not to great for the everyman, paradise for those above the bracket. We have a tendency to 'live for the day' and embrace 'feel-good' philosophies that may be detrimental to our well-being in the long run both financial and biologically. It's hard for me to feel sorry for people that are downtrodden in finances or doped up on pills to cope with depression and borderline personality disorder (which studies have shown is almost an exclusively 'western' dysfunction) because they defend the very poison that is making them ill. The west is like a 3 year old who doesn't want to go to bed before their parents do, they don't understand that this will make them feel the next day. Staying up makes them feel good right now, so why shouldn't they have fun?

But let's completely ignore that and go to the racial part of the term anti-semite that bothers me.

If Ashkenazis Jews want to claim that they are semite, that's fine but they don't have a monopoly on the word.

I'm not a supporter of Israel or Zionism, in fact I vehemently oppose both. I sympathize with the Palestinians and have many Arab friends.

Many other middle-easterners are Semitic, including Arabs.

It's like saying that someone is 'anti-Korean' if they oppose the policies, philosophies, and way of life of North Koreans. Nobody should have to feel guilty for being displeased with the actions and policies of a culture, but disliking an individual, another human life, based purely on race is ridiculous.
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I want to move to the Moon.
 
Qazaq said:
More like SuperAnglo64. Stormfront is thataway.
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That's really uncalled for.



I also dislike the term anti-semite, but not for other reasons stated here (I'm think I'm a Semite anyway, being from Lebanon!).

The term is thrown around too loosely. I've seen people labelled an anti-semite just because they share a negative view towards some Israeli-related event. I've met people who question the extent of the holocaust, though have nothing against Jews, yet they'll be labelled anti-semetic. Others who are supporters of Palestine and are against Israel's handling of the issue will also be labelled anti-semitic by others.

It's no longer a term used to describe someone who is discriminating Israelis and Jews, but instead it's thrown upon all those who share any negative views against Jews/Israelis.
 
SoccerGoaliePro said:
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I think they have a point when it comes to people having double standards when it comes to Israel.
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People on the boat were not terrorists.
Freezie KO said:
Congrats on attempting to minimize an actual topic with a tired semantic argument.
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Congrats on ignoring other Semitic people. It´s not semantic at all. Hijacking the word Semitic so they can accuse anyone who voice a criticism of Israel as anti Semitic is disgusting.
 
Ydahs said:
That's really uncalled for.
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It is called for. The entire world was shaped by the Rothschilds and central banking (who are entirely Jewish, by implication)?

Keeping people poor and doped up is a Jewish culture, action, and policy?

I also dislike the term anti-semite, but not for other reasons stated here (I'm think I'm a Semite anyway, being from Lebanon!).

The term is thrown around too loosely. I've seen people labelled an anti-semite just because they share a negative view towards some Israeli-related event. I've met people who question the extent of the holocaust, though have nothing against Jews, yet they'll be labelled anti-semetic. Others who are supporters of Palestine and are against Israel's handling of the issue will also be labelled anti-semitic by others.

It's no longer a term used to describe someone who is discriminating Israelis and Jews, but instead it's thrown upon all those who share any negative views against Jews/Israelis.
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First, I would suspect the motives of your buddies questioning the extent of the Holocaust.

Second, I actually hear more "supporters of Palestine" whine about this issue than I actually hear them being called anti-Semitic in the first place. Especially on GAF.

In fact, around here, it's more of a diversionary tactic if anything. State position on Israel/Palestine. Immediately cry persecution over the word anti-Semite.

The first post to mention Israel, other than the OP, did not accuse critics of Israel of anti-Semitism. Instead, it was the exact reactionary response you had:

Everything you said is spot on and should not be tolerated, but people should also not confuse being anti Israel with anti-antisemitism.
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Nobody in the thread even said that critics of Israel were anti-Semites, yet it was felt as if this had to be said.
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
People on the boat were not terrorists.
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All those weapons they had and indeed used were all farming tools I suppose?


Congrats on ignoring other Semitic people. It´s not semantic at all. Hijacking the word Semitic so they can accuse anyone who voice a criticism of Israel as anti Semitic is disgusting.
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lol call it whatever makes you happy, hatred and persecution of the Jews is the oldest and still most prevalent evil in the World and it needs to stop.

Your attempts to continuously drag Israel into the debate, to somehow cover up the problem, are shameful.
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
Congrats on ignoring other Semitic people. It´s not semantic at all. Hijacking the word Semitic so they can accuse anyone who voice a criticism of Israel as anti Semitic is disgusting.
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You're a moron. The etymology of the phrase "anti-Semitism" far predates the creation of the State of Israel.

Look up etymology. Then get back to me.

Enco said:
So people can only voice your opinions eh.

What about a proper reply or a decent debate?
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Yes, let's have a decent debate with someone who claimed Jewish banking conspiracy runs the world without offering a shred of evidence.
 
There are a few factors contributing to anti semitism

Anti semitism is particularly hard to get fixed because it has a long continuous history of racism. That shit has not died.
Several on the left particularly like to dislike the Jews because they are western and in the news and the blame is magnified in that case. The far right because they are racist, and many people were labels don't always fit in for both reasons. Hell some of the racist reasons have a history of having an economic leftist touch. Their stupid logic goes: We are bigots against bankers who control the world, jews are bankers, so hate them. Just last year I heard something like that from a left winger.
Religion is a contributing factor to the hatred
Israel has done some bad things.
Hatred against Jews is highly encouraged in a lot of Islamic world for various reasons which have very little to do with the real interests of the people living in these countries.

In the US though I get the impression that it is not really a very big problem there, although it does exist.

I don't see it getting fixed in any near future, there are several countries that if I was a Jew I would not be the most comfortable living there.
 
Freezie KO said:
First, I would suspect the motives of your buddies questioning the extent of the Holocaust.

Second, I actually hear more "supporters of Palestine" whine about this issue than I actually hear them being called anti-Semitic in the first place. Especially on GAF.

In fact, around here, it's more of a diversionary tactic if anything. State position on Israel/Palestine. Immediately cry persecution over the word anti-Semite.

The first post to mention Israel, other than the OP, did not accuse critics of Israel of anti-Semitism. Instead, it was the exact reactionary response you had:



Nobody in the thread even said that critics of Israel were anti-Semites, yet it was felt as if this had to be said.
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Not sure what you're arguing here. I'm just stating the concerns I have with the term that I've encountered, since it was already being discussed. I couldn't care less if nobody on GAF said critics of Israel were anti-semites. My response still addresses this from the OP:
My questions are, what is your experience with antisemitism, have you witnessed or experienced antisemitism?
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No need to get so defensive and start claiming this is a diversionary tactic.

And no, it's uncalled for. Alluding that another user is a Neo-Nazi is completely uncalled for.
 
Reuenthal said:
In the US though I get the impression that it is not really a very big problem there, although it does exist.
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It's not as big a problem, but the vast majority of religiously motivated hate crimes in the US are still against Jews.

Ydahs said:
And no, it's uncalled for. Alluding that another user is a Neo-Nazi is completely uncalled for.
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Alluding the Jews are involved in a banking conspiracy that runs the World is even more uncalled for, yet you don't seem as upset about that.
 
Ydahs said:
No need to get so defensive and start claiming this is a diversionary tactic.
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Aren't you being defensive, by definition, if you're defending yourself from a criticism that hasn't yet been flung your way?

And no, it's uncalled for. Alluding that another user is a Neo-Nazi is completely uncalled for.
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The other user stated that a Jewish banking conspiracy run by the Rothschilds has caused an international class war and kept people too doped up to know otherwise.

If it quacks like a duck...

Reuenthal said:
if I was a Jew
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Whatever, Rosenthal. You can't trick me. You and your banker friends.
 
Freezie KO said:
Aren't you being defensive, by definition, if you're defending yourself from a criticism that hasn't yet been flung your way?



The other user stated that a Jewish banking conspiracy run by the Rothschilds has caused an international class war and kept people too doped up to know otherwise.

If it quacks like a duck...
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Wait someone posted this shit in this thread?! Wow.
 
LostVoyager, standing up for the world's downtrodden. Such a noble soul.

Antisemitism can't be fixed. Just have to do our best to keep it from ever becoming institutionalized again.
 
Freezie KO said:
Aren't you being defensive, by definition, if you're defending yourself from a criticism that hasn't yet been flung your way?
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What am I defending myself from? You seem to alluding something, but I just haven't caught on to it yet.

Freezie KO said:
The other user stated that a Jewish banking conspiracy run by the Rothschilds has caused an international class war and kept people too doped up to know otherwise.

If it quacks like a duck...
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I've heard enough ridiculous conspiracy theories in my time that it no longer surprises me. I didn't really know what he was talking about, but yeah, sounds quite ridiculous. Still, where does Stormfront fit into this?
 
Ydahs said:
What am I defending myself from? You seem to alluding something, but I just haven't caught on to it yet.
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If your first thought when hearing the word "anti-Semitism" is to say, "That's an unfair label assigned to critics of Israel!", then I believe you're being defensive.

When that statement was first brought up in this thread, nobody had even said that critics of Israel were anti-Semites. It's a reactionary statement.


I've heard enough ridiculous conspiracy theories in my time that it no longer surprises me. I didn't really know what he was talking about, but yeah, sounds quite ridiculous. Still, where does Stormfront fit into this?
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The whole "Rothschilds as the progenitors of a global Jewish banking conspiracy" thing is a relatively popular conspiracy theory among Neo-Nazis and anti-Semites in the internet age.

One poster (in this very thread) even cited such a website in Real Jew News when trying to prove that the Jews run the media. That site also features said conspiracy theory.

Mista Koo said:
Why the hell is it called antisemitism when it's only about Jews? I'm Semitic but I'm not a Jew.
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Because a Jewish author used the word to attack against an idea that the "Semitic races" were lesser than the "Aryan races." Then further, a German author repeatedly used "Semitic" to attack the Jews, and it stuck. That's a very brief summation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Etymology
 
Yea.....neogaf may not be the best place for this thread


If people get banned for voicing their opinions on this topic its gonna get ugly

I say this as a Jew who has seen this topic done to death on the internet and it always ends bad
 
man, I originally came into this thread to suggest that LostVoyager create a Discrimination IT, but then started reading through the thread and WTF! We truly have some insane people on GAF.
 
You can't deny the holocaust, it's a historic fact. You can however debate about the conditions of why it happened and never end up anywhere.

Antisemitism reminds me of the romanians in Europe. They really are considered as second rate citizens and I fear it will only get worse while the economy keeps going to the shitter.
 
Freezie KO said:
If your first thought when hearing the word "anti-Semitism" is to say, "That's an unfair label assigned to critics of Israel!", then I believe you're being defensive.

When that statement was first brought up in this thread, nobody had even said that critics of Israel were anti-Semites. It's a reactionary statement.




The whole "Rothschilds as the progenitors of a global Jewish banking conspiracy" thing is a relatively popular conspiracy theory among Neo-Nazis and anti-Semites in the internet age.

One poster (in this very thread) even cited such a website in Real Jew News when trying to prove that the Jews run the media. That site also features said conspiracy theory.
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You're only assuming it's my first thought. I read through the whole thread and the couple posts before mine were addressing a similar issue. It was actually the last thought I had so I made my post about my experiences related to that issue.

If you're really interested in my experiences with anti-semitism, I'll gladly share some of them with you.


BigJonsson said:
Yea.....neogaf may not be the best place for this thread


If people get banned for voicing their opinions on this topic its gonna get ugly

I say this as a Jew who has seen this topic done to death on the internet and it always ends bad
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It's happened before on GAF and most of times, it goes 'well'. Normally though, it's the crazy conspiracy theories that will get people banned (I think we're at that stage lol).
 
zoukka said:
You can't deny the holocaust, it's a historic fact. You can however debate about the conditions of why it happened and never end up anywhere.

Antisemitism reminds me of the romanians in Europe. They really are considered as second rate citizens and I fear it will only get worse while the economy keeps going to the shitter.
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Some people always need to blame a group for all their problems =/
 
Hix said:
All those weapons they had and indeed used were all farming tools I suppose?
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First of all, Israel attacked the flotilla in international waters. Second of all there were no weapons on the ship, that´s why the people on the ship fought them with everything else. But you seem to defend Israel no matter what. You should be ashamed.



lol call it whatever makes you happy, hatred and persecution of the Jews is the oldest and still most prevalent evil in the World and it needs to stop.
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Most prevalent? Today? Lol. It sure needs to stop, but let´s not exaggerate the size of the problem.
Your attempts to continuously drag Israel into the debate, to somehow cover up the problem, are shameful.
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Cover what problem? The matter of the fact that Israel uses the word anti Semitic to anyone who criticize them or their murderous actions is disgusting.
Freezie KO said:
You're a moron. The etymology of the phrase "anti-Semitism" far predates the creation of the State of Israel.

Look up etymology. Then get back to me.
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Oh yeah, let´s ignore the other Semitic people, that will teach people to not be anti Semitic.
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
Cover what problem? The matter of the fact that Israel uses the word anti Semitic to anyone who criticize them or their murderous actions is disgusting.
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Hyperbole to the rescue!

Oh yeah, let´s ignore the other Semitic people, that will teach people to not be anti Semitic.
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You just said the word "anti-Semitic" was created to cover up for Israeli actions. I proved you wrong since the phrase far predates Israel as a State.

Who's "ignoring" other Semitic people? Hatred and persecution of Jews is uniquely different compared to persecution of other Semitic peoples. Why do you care what it's called? Did you know that when you're "in a pickle" that you're not literally in a pickle? Sometimes language is weird like that. Stop bringing up semantics.
 
Yka said:
What do you mean?
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What do I mean when I say Ron Paul is not a racist but he is number one with people who are racist?

I think I mean that. Do you understand what my using of your previous words meant? You accused all leading media of being owned by Jews. That is a demonstrably false idea. I mean that you are willing to believe false things to blame other races for bad things.
 
Antisemitism exists. I grew up in a mixed religious and therefore secular household in a predominately Jewish community. I went to college a little bit away and immediately felt different for being "half Jewish". Lots of Jew related jokes. It was weird because I always thought I was just some white kid growing up.

Israel shouldn't even be a discussion in this. Most American Jews have a nuanced and mixed view on Israel. It's only the current government that likes to play up its victim complex.
 
MrGame&Watch said:
Antisemitism exists. I grew up in a mixed religious and therefore secular household in a predominately Jewish community. I went to college a little bit away and immediately felt different for being "half Jewish". Lots of Jew related jokes. It was weird because I always thought I was just some white kid growing up.
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I literally could have typed the exact same paragraph to describe my life.
 
I once experienced cultural antisemitism.

A co-worker and I were chatting about a yard sale they went to. At one point, my co-worker came across an item with a price they thought was too high, and their reaction to this was: "Are you trying to Jew me?" I was so caught off-guard by the remark that it took me a moment to process it; when they repeated the remark a second time later in the conversation, I realized that, yes, this was indeed the phrase that they had used.

I don't believe this individual is an antisemite, but that they grew up in an environment where phrases like "are you trying to Jew me" were both normal and accepted; hence, why I use the term cultural antisemitism specifically.

This is not meant as a defense of the individual's comment, but my personal belief on their usage of it.
 
Freezie KO said:
But at least you've proven the worthiness of the OP without even mentioning Israel! So... bravo.
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Thanks!

Freezie KO said:
Then why are you citing it, when the very first instance of "media control" is already proven incorrect and not Jewish-owned?
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It was not proven incorrent in this thread. People like Brother Nathanael might have strong opinions but that doesn't mean they get all of their facts wrong. Nothing is black and white (except zebras).

Overall, why is it so bad, if Jewish people have power in business, entertainment, politics, banking and media? Shouldn't it be considered a great accomplishment for such a small group of people? And it's natural for people to pursue their own agenda, when they have means to do so. If you don't like it, try to do it better yourself.

About the use of the word antisemitism: Former Israeli minister Shulamit Aloni: "It's a trick, we always use it."

Off topic but... Does anyone here know what this fight between Orthodox Jews and Zionist Jews is about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12cfVKQyrMw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBNMDjj5LKc

Is it similar to fight between Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims (a lot less bloody of course)?
 
I know some deny the extent of the holocaust (e.g. the figure of people murdered). Is this is what is meant by 'holocaust denial', or are there people who reject a holocaust happened at all?
 
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