Interfectum
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Steam's Big Picture Mode beta starts Monday Sep 10th [out now]
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Dreams-Visions
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Valve, please stop being fucking awesome for one goddamn minute.
Just one.
Just one.
Felix Lighter
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It looks like it lets you take full advantage of both hands on the controller. I think it'll be much faster than any virtual keyboard especially when you get used to it. A small Bluetooth keyboard is what use though.
ThoseDeafMutes
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That virtual keyboard has an almost identical implementation to the virtual keyboard in Killzone 1 on PS2. I am so happy it's finally getting used elsewhere.
Grinchy
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Just gave that a little adjustment.
Interfectum
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We don't know if the beta will actually begin today (it should, but Valve Time) and we also don't know if access will initially be invite-only (e.g. Steam Community) or open to all; although, as no mention of a closed beta was made in the article, I assume the latter.
In the context of the previous week, this is abso-fucking-lutely hilarious. Or it would be, if it wasn't flagrantly and horrifically hypocritical.
Regardless, it's good to know that Valve are against walled gardens when it comes to people who have already made it over the wall. You fight the power you crazy rebel you!
Jaded Alyx
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Own multiple copies of a game to play split-screen, huh? Fuck off.
Jaded Alyx
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In the context of the previous week, this is abso-fucking-lutely hilarious. Or it would be, if it wasn't flagrantly and horrifically hypocritical.
Regardless, it's good to know that Valve are against walled gardens when it comes to people who have already made it over the wall. You fight the power you crazy rebel you!
Not sure I understand what you're talking about.
Yes, because mutiple thousand dollar certification fees, plus fees per patch after the first patch, are comparable to a $100 charitable donation with free patching and no lengthy certification processes thereafter (if accepted onto Steam).
In the context of the previous week, this is abso-fucking-lutely hilarious. Or it would be, if it wasn't flagrantly and horrifically hypocritical.
Regardless, it's good to know that Valve are against walled gardens when it comes to people who have already made it over the wall. You fight the power you crazy rebel you!
I don't think that's the point at all.
I don't think it's for games that actually have a splitscreen option, but okay.
Don't get me wrong - those are hardly just, and are why games like Fez remain unpatched despite a developer willingness to do so.
But they can't go throwing around words like "walled garden" and "openness" a week after launching a giant gatekeeping mechanism like Greenlight. It's outright disingenuous.
I misread it then? Seemed like it was saying each person could log into his or her own account and use it to play.
Hopefully this Big Picture mode from steam will inspire developers to start including split screen in PC games more often. I'd probably buy Black Ops II for the PC, if it had split screen zombies.
EDIT: Spent so long writing this out, didn't see your follow up.
Are there still devs QQing over not being to get $100 worth of donations or from selling their game on their own site?
In the context of the previous week, this is abso-fucking-lutely hilarious. Or it would be, if it wasn't flagrantly and horrifically hypocritical.
Regardless, it's good to know that Valve are against walled gardens when it comes to people who have already made it over the wall. You fight the power you crazy rebel you!
I think there's a misunderstanding here. As I understand it (well, this is more of an assumption given no finer details were presented), the idea isn't to replace traditional split-screen play, but to offer a way to have a split-screen experience in games that offer MP but don't offer split-screen itself.
mclaren777
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This might have already been mentioned, but the PSP and PS3 use a similar approach.
I don't think they'll be able to do that. GFWL games use that button to bring up their overlay.
I don't think Microsoft likes you rebinding that particular button. Or at least it doesn't seem to be a valid bind option in a lot of games. Which is annoying since the button does nothing in Windows except show a very inaccurate battery gauge.I'd be very happy if they bind Steam overlay button on Xbox 360 guide button
Do they? How do I enable it on PS3? Typing on the QWERTY onscreen keyboard takes forever.
Not officially, though. Both the PSP and PS3 at the OS level use a virtual keyboard.
That's what I'm hoping for as well, I don't see any other way that they could have the overlay open with a controller.
Based on the number of articles I've read about the topic in the last few days? Yeah, I'd say there's a sizable contingent of people out there disappointed with Valve's decision.
If they can't get together $100 (£62) to get their game on Greenlight, then I would argue it shouldn't be on Steam anyway. It's not as if Steam is the ONLY way they can sell their game - if the game is even remotely good they should easily be able to make back the submission fee at the very least from selling it through their own website.
Interfectum
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If developers are whining about a one-time $100 entry fee then their games aren't good enough for the mainstream anyway.
And there's a sizeable portion of developers who realize that the $100 classicism debate is a strawman, and that if you can't even get $100 worth of interest from people, it probably shouldn't be on Steam to begin with. And it's been debated to death in this thread, where you might want to go instead of threadcrapping and derailing here.
This input method is definitely not new.
Durante already posted one of his works on PSP, where this input method was present in lots of homebrews. But I'm trying to find one game that used about the same concept (GRAW 2, I think?) and more importantly, one guy that posted on Reddit a long while ago, claiming having created it, or a least refining it. Only difference was it used two sticks instead of one stick and face buttons, if I recall correctly. But I haven't managed to find it yet. Ring any bells ?
Durante already posted one of his works on PSP, where this input method was present in lots of homebrews. But I'm trying to find one game that used about the same concept (GRAW 2, I think?) and more importantly, one guy that posted on Reddit a long while ago, claiming having created it, or a least refining it. Only difference was it used two sticks instead of one stick and face buttons, if I recall correctly. But I haven't managed to find it yet. Ring any bells ?
what? I'd rather have a selection of user picked games that are good, then a wall of crap to sift trough. 100 dollars is peanuts compared to the revenue you could receive if your game gets published. Anyway, that's all I want to say about this and i'd like you to take the discussion you are trying to create, in a thread of its own. This is a discussion about Big picture mode, and not about how hypocritical valve is.
In the context of the previous week, this is abso-fucking-lutely hilarious. Or it would be, if it wasn't flagrantly and horrifically hypocritical.
Regardless, it's good to know that Valve are against walled gardens when it comes to people who have already made it over the wall. You fight the power you crazy rebel you!
TouchMyBox
Member
Steam is as close to an open platform you can get without having a bunch of fart apps.
Sounds good to me.
Manp
Member
Why has someone not thought of this before?
probably because someone did?
i remember some old homebrew for the first Xbox doing the keyboard in that same way.
but it's Valve so it's irrelevant
It's also worth mentioning that the fee is one-off per account, so when a dev pays the $100, he/she needn't worry about coughing it up again for future submissions. That said, I can understand the amount may seem too high for some.
Interfectum
Member
So because someone made a homebrew version of it a decade ago Valve shouldn't be applauded for making it a vital part of their Steam Big Picture mode where no one else has over the years?
MrCompletely
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You can have the best of both worlds - comfy couch gaming with the best versions of multiform games.
Encourages developers to integrate controller support
Open environment for AAA games to be patched quickly
Mod support in a console like setting (see Skyrim)
Access to a world of indie games that could perform well in a couch/controller setting.
This would set a precedent for more indie devs to incorporate controller and large screen display support.
This could lead to a Steam open hardware standard for PC games, which would be fantastic!
Mr. Poolman
Member
I like the on-screen "keyboard":
Edit: Great minds etc.
I for one welcome our new steam overlords
Lawsuit incoming?
So help me understand this. Is this basically a consolised Steam UI for tv? So, I have to hook up my pc to the tv to properly experience it?
no, I can see this being useful on a normal PC, mainly if you're going to be playing games using a controller, you don't have to switch back and forth. Hopefully there is a way to easily switch between big picture and normal steam
don't think of it as TV mode, think of it as Controller mode.
PjotrStroganov
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It's monday. And I don't have the beta running. WHY?!?!
